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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2119
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:21:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:
DO THIS TO FIX ICE.
Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.
To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!
Peace
These suggestions will not allow you to log in whenever you want and have ice to mine.
The point of the change was to make ice more scarce. But there is plenty of it out in null and low sec. Mom and Pop can make their killing out there mining ice if they're playing afk. (And the faster cycle time helps you out there!)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
54
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:23:00 -
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Even Bots do cry... Lol, omg. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4178
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:32:00 -
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Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.
That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
813
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:40:00 -
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Will be mining ICE in null this afternoon, meet me at B-D in Delve with your Mackinaws, I've got an ice fleet and an ORCA boost, plus some dudes searching for kills if any pesky rat shows his nose.
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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:45:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:Speaking from someone who has been playing EVE a little too much lately, please review this post with the understanding that not everyone plays full time.
"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"
If a person plays only an hour or so a day, they can't select ICE as a profession period and expect to grow in the trade, due to the limited supply and spawn times. I had a bunch of miners that I was milking the system with before the update and YES, it was gravy ISK. So, after the patch I bailed on the big league production and just thought to have a miner or two mine every once in a while, but there just isn't enough ICE to make it a profession, when you are competing with the big league boys. I went out to the spawns only to find them filled with ORCA fleets ripping them up in less then 30 minutes per spawn.
This post isn't to complain for me, as I have already moved on - out of ICE.
It's for EVE in general and the casual players, those interested in getting into ICE as a profession in a Mom and Pop sort of way. It's just not there any more unless the player is willing to change his playing time, which seems pretty "ridiculous" seeing it's not a real job.....please!
DO THIS TO FIX ICE.
Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.
To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!
Peace CCP have changed ice now so it is no longer a non competitive, simply sit and wait and a ice belt type of activity, which is a good thing. Why have two afk activities like as we already had with afk mining and afk ice mining. You can just go and mine now in your one hour playtime instead of ice mining. People seem to be having trouble understanding this for some reason. |
Tammarr
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:50:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice. That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats. That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.
Resource scarity/competition in High security "newbie/casual" space??? Security=Not so much resources to mine. Risk=Resources not yet exploited by others and rainbow fudge all over your cargohold.
It'll balance out over a few weeks when some give up ice mining and some go to null or low to mine their ice and then the ppl that stayed in high will have enough ice to mine between them, then more ppl will start to mine ice and some will go to lower security to find their precious and some will find other routes of revenue.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
16004
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:52:00 -
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Ridiculous complaining. Ice Mining was never, ever meant to be a main profession in the game. It is included under mining in general.
When the Ice despawns, it's kinda smart to have an alternate setup of equipment for regular mining waiting in station. Or at least be prepared there with an exploration or missioning ship.
The Ice Belt near my base of operations went 'belly-up' so now it's a 9 jump run to get to the nearest Ice Belt system, but I'm not having any issues at all maintaining my Ice requirements from it, and doing everything else I used to do as well.
Despite my namesake, I only grab what Ice I need as even at 1/2 it's former speed, it's still head splitting boring. A boring main profession, especially exclusive, is a terrible idea. |
Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:59:00 -
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When the ice belt is gone, you go.
A. Take a rifter, scout next systems for a new ice belt, then bring in your ice mack. B. Get another mack fitted for asteroid mining and do that. C. Stay docked until the ice belt spawns again in 4 hours. D. Get a Skiff, put on warp core stabs and do ice mining in low secor null sec. E. Join a WH or null sec alliance and do ice mining all day, this you can't do in afk mode though. |
xCassiopiax
Naari LLC
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:28:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice. That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats. That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.
Actually, you can make some nice iskies mining null ice and selling jumpfuel at a local null hub.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
16012
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:30:00 -
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Also, sounds like OP is within 10 jumps of Jita or Dodixie. Either way, if so that is some of the most densely populated areas of the game.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3690
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:31:00 -
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Sex Slave Girl wrote:When the ice belt is gone, you go.
A. Take a rifter, scout next systems for a new ice belt, then bring in your ice mack. B. Get another mack fitted for asteroid mining and do that. C. Stay docked until the ice belt spawns again in 4 hours. D. Get a Skiff, put on warp core stabs and do ice mining in low secor null sec. E. Join a WH or null sec alliance and do ice mining all day, this you can't do in afk mode though.
F. Set the timer for 4 hours and log out until the ice is spawning again.
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xCassiopiax
Naari LLC
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:51:00 -
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If i'm in a WH corp i'll be more apt to be gas mining than bothering with ice, but thats just me |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2119
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:53:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice. That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats. That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.
CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3649
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:54:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice. That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats. That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here. CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity. You can come to 0.0 and get something different shoved down your throat. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14737
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:55:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice. That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats. That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ doesn't mean you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you may attempt anything you wish to succeed at. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
176
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:36:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:There is a set and forget feature. It's called Research/Production. Research and Production takes time. And skill. But mostly time. And a lot of that time is unattended.
Your right if you can find an open research slot in high sec (You wont without a long ling in front of you). Thats why they have POS's but those are obsolete in high sec now because nobody can fuel them in high sec unless your space rich. I believe the goal was to push the player base out to low/null sec which is a good idea but unfortunately your going to see alot of Ice mining accounts unsub (Everyone is selling their Ice pilots). Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Robert Saint
Playright
58
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:42:00 -
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It's not ICE that has changed.
It's Big money - AFK game play is gone.
So RIP.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4178
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:45:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice. That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats. That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here. CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity.
Yet they are too wimps to tell it straight in the face. Guess why? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4178
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice. That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats. That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ doesn't mean you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you may attempt anything you wish to succeed at.
We were missing your patronizing schooling, keep it going please.
Sandbox is sandbox only long enough before the developers decide they don't like your sand in a certain place.
That is, while WoW is a canned path, EvE has canned boundaries to players ingenuity, that's not a real sandbox but just an illusion of it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
399
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:People keep talking about this new Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics that have been added to the game, but I just can't seem to find any. I mean, even the new exploration minigame calls it plain old GǣvirusGǥ, which is a different thingGǪ
Wait until your Decker encounters black ICE.
It will give you a headache. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Generals4
Liandri Covenant
1837
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:53:00 -
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Or you could just get ice in less crowded systems? There is a system near my home where there is ice 24/7, never went in it without the white glaze anom being present. Now sure it's in lowsec but surely that wouldn't stop a brave ice miner who wants to be good at what he's doing (mining ice). -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4178
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:54:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:It's not ICE that has changed.
It's Big money - AFK game play is gone.
So RIP.
Not true. I am getting about the same amounts of pre-patch, AFKing as much as it gets.
The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.
Odissey = best multiboxer's friend. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
652
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:54:00 -
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When there is no ice... I dock up, switch to strip miners and a mining upgrade, then find one of many easy to locate higher end ore sites. Seriously, ccp took away, but they gave right back by making Grav sites into easily found anomalies. Plus, with thw reduced time to train into an orca, life is good. I'll have an extra orca pilot in 2 weeks. He can follow my miner, making it easier to switch from ice to ore and back. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
16042
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.
All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice.
That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:02:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:so dont mine ice 24/7
Out of good will toward the goons and any others with reading comprehension deficencies. I will be glad to host a webinar in the near future to try to help with this disability you may have in regards to reading comprehension.
Please allow me to paraphrase to help you. He said he only plays part time not 24/7 this means only limited play time as in only a few hours not all day.
Hope this helps.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14739
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:07:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:We were missing your patronizing schooling, keep it going please.
Sandbox is sandbox only long enough before the developers decide they don't like your sand in a certain place. If there were no boundaries, it wouldn't be a sandbox GÇö just a misshapen heap. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4178
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:07:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.
All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice. That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.
Here's 2 players with their fleets as of 1 minute ago, not showing my own.
In total it's 46 ships. Guess how long does it take to empty your 2500 cubes and how much will the random 1 account guy take? Also considering he has to move 41 kms from 1 cycle depopped roid to the next? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
194
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:16:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:
Again, this isn't to complain about me, more about EVE game play in general. .
Player not at fault
Game isnt playing itself properly
Everything is borked
Apart from this person
"You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
194
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:We were missing your patronizing schooling, keep it going please.
Sandbox is sandbox only long enough before the developers decide they don't like your sand in a certain place. If there were no boundaries, it wouldn't be a sandbox GÇö just a misshapen heap.
Wouldnt it just be a desert? "You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:23:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.
All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice. That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.
not really, you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers to keep an ice anomaly cycling at it's max 5x per day respawn rate.
most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. not to mention those that don't quite hit that size, often weren't alone in a system so between the handful there were, it's not difficult to empty the anomalies at a rather rapid pace. |
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