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Angry Meatwad
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:14:00 -
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So after a looooong absence I came back awhile ago. Just now I had the first instance of someone coming into one of my missions and stealing loot. Now...normally I'm not much a looting guy...but it was highly annoying to watch this Magnate go around and loot all willy nilly. Eventually I decided to go for it and well...very very long story short I'm now 300 mill and a set of implants shorter than I was before.
I was thinking though during the whole ordeal that CCP has created a no lose situation really. A pirate can show up and loot at will with no threat of Concord? I seem to recall Concord showing up if you even sneezed wrong. So then it's basically down to the missioner to decide, can I kill this guy or will he just bring friends?(which is what happened to me.)
It's not a whine, **** happens. I should have just blown up my ship like I was going to and I would have come out ahead of what I ended up. I just don't get this sytem, it was in a .9, level 4 mission. I have to say I'm damn tempted to just go around my usual missioning systems with my own Magnate or hell even my Hound and just loot peoples crap. I feel like CCP has tied the "good guy's" hands on this system.
Ahhh well...live and learn...EVE is a cruel mistress..
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Any tips on how to avoid this in the future? Do you guys run with stabs in the lows or any other gear that might help a missioning ship deal with a tech 2 frig quickly enough before friends show up? I was in a normal Raven with tech 2 cruises, but being that I'm still poorish and haven't been back in a long time only brought t1 drones and used t1 missles. Had tech 2 shield stuff though. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
225
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:25:00 -
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I'll tell you this up front.
If they are in your mission (anomalies are a different story), taking your stuff, then it's because they know they can take you in a straight up fight. And even if it doesn't seem like they can, they have backup.
So don't even bother with it. Don't get annoyed, don't try to take a potshot at them with your faction battleship, nothing.
Ignore the problem, and it goes away.
Furthermore, no, CONCORD has never shown up for ninja looting, not in my memory anyway. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1020
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:31:00 -
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That's hilarious. Oh god. |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
230
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:35:00 -
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Loot in missions isn't that good anyway, blitz the missions for bounty and LP and let the ninja looters have a field day, everyone wins. |
Saeka Tyr
Sanctuary of Shadows Renegade Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:46:00 -
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It is remarkable how few people have this problem.
Something to think about. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
255
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:03:00 -
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hardly a no lose situation, if they don't shoot at you then you just wasted a ton of time looting crap.
go back to not caring about loot, when they show up abandon all nearby wrecks and they usually run off since they know you wont play their game. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
89
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:53:00 -
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With the new crimewatch they become a suspect and can be attacked by anyone. Which could include a squad of your friends in actual PvP ships.
So in fact, the situation was worse before, i.e. before your loooong absence, only you could have attacked the thief, the difference being that now that was your choice, while back then it was your only option. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
468
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:27:00 -
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Don't run missions in big trade or mission hubs.
Go somewhere else, find a good 0.5 system with an agent that has an 2000 ISK/lp item in it's shop. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
imbaRabbit
Suddenly rabbit
6
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:27:00 -
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Quite easy:
- Don't shoot at suspect in PvE ship.
- Don't shoot in general (even PvP ship) if you don't have friends as backup. Some groups have more than five remote repairers and it's going to be hard for you to bring them down.
- Abandon all wrecks.
- OR shoot the wrecks and send them the following this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ. Don't get annoyed by the people taking loot : ). |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
475
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:23:00 -
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...and remember that once you've got good station/ships/skills, not salvaging or looting most missions actually improves your ISK/hour. |
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
405
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:23:00 -
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Of course you never know when it is going to happen, but if your in the situation again, call up your Mission friends and fleet them, have them bring some points and webs, Don't Shoot Him let your friends pick up the easy killmail in ships fitted for the job and keep doing your thing in your ship fitted for your job. E-war is particularly fun in these situations especially Jamming Drones (It's pretty easy to fit 5 or these on most mission ships).
Alternatively you can change your ship to PVP and learn to deal with mission spawns in a Buffer fit with webs and point, but it will drastically affect your ISK/HR.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? |
Gnarmin
SanctityEVEU
2
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:01:00 -
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Different though when the 'thieves' are going after mission specific loot - I.E. - COSMOS items, and then holding for ransom.
Didn't even know the twit had boosted ahead of me and got specific ship down, looted then convo'd me, saying for 500 mil i could have my item (COSMOS rewards 1+ Bil for this certain mission(Loot)), ISK aside, I'm more doing this for standings so i can get a POS up and running.
A lot would think ''just pay the guy'' 500mil profit is still profit, but I'm not giving in to someone who thinks it's Ok to act like that, all day every day. You don't get rich by submitting to the whim of every madman in the galaxy :P
Sorry for the Hijack Rant lol, but it seemed appropriate to post it here :P |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1188
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:12:00 -
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when this happens to me i usually take a few minutes to play cat and burning mouse with the ninja looter. that is i target the wreck he is about to loot and kill it as soon as he is 3000m away. not only does he get blueballed, he does not even get any trash loot to compensate for wasting his time.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Shave Well
PT RESEARCH INSTITUTE
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:17:00 -
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If a pirate comes for your loot it's because he wants to gank you.. PERIOD.
If someone enters my mission and starts picking loot/salvaging i just blow all the wrecks. I don't get a profit but pirate doesn't either: loot or gank. This way you collect their tears, some of them will try to convo you to 'get a deal'..lol
Usually they understand the message and will ignore you afterwards, because their time was wasted.
Cheers, |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
765
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:25:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:when this happens to me i usually take a few minutes to play cat and burning mouse with the ninja looter. that is i target the wreck he is about to loot and kill it as soon as he is 3000m away. not only does he get blueballed, he does not even get any trash loot to compensate for wasting his time. Funny, cause that's exactly what I do. I once had a guy from Suddenly Ninjas go absolutely ballistic after that. Of course I never saw him again. |
Angry Meatwad
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:21:00 -
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Thanks for the tips guys, like I said not whining, just incredibly annoying and topping it off with all the losses I incurred from their "ransom ways" it was a frustrating night if not a "welcome back to EVE" night heh. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:36:00 -
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blow the wrecks, and repeat it everytime they show up.. trust me, they will get bored ;) |
Zircon Dasher
216
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:57:00 -
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Angry Meatwad wrote:Thanks for the tips guys, like I said not whining, just incredibly annoying and topping it off with all the losses I incurred from their "ransom ways" it was a frustrating night if not a "welcome back to EVE" night heh.
just sayin Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
150
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:48:00 -
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In hisec the most powerful weapon you have in your arsenal is...as others have alluded...boredom.
Be incredibly boring to them and they will actively avoid you.
During hisec wardecs that means leaving your toon logged in when sleeping, working etc.
When a ninja salvager comes along don't shoot your wrecks, just avoid him (or abandon your wrecks)
DOn't talk to them.
Be very boring. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8100
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:23:00 -
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This is excellent. Basically beat them at their own game. Might even get some laughs or garner some rage tears from the Ninja. Either way you win.
DMC |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
667
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:04:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Loot in missions isn't that good anyway, blitz the missions for bounty and LP and let the ninja looters have a field day, everyone wins.
No mission worth doing has less loot than LP. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:21:00 -
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If any Willy nilly comes in I start destroying all the good stuff, there are also times I just destroy wrecks and loot because of the mere fact ninja looters are in the system.
Every time I get a new looter I put them on the bad list and every time I see them in local while missioning I simply blow up as I go.
And there are times I take lvl 1 missions then kill allllll the cheapo pirates and laugh when a ninja looter comes in only to find the cheapest of rats...haha they leave dissatisfied and disappointed.
Take a nice BIG mission boat like CNR go to mission hub, collect frustration tears from ninjas. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:53:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:And there are times I take lvl 1 missions then kill allllll the cheapo pirates and laugh when a ninja looter comes in only to find the cheapest of rats...haha they leave dissatisfied and disappointed.
Take a nice BIG mission boat like CNR go to mission hub, collect frustration tears from ninjas.
It's like a game inside a game.
If this amuses you I sincerely recommend giving lowsec faction warfare a go. Please use T1 frigates since you will die an awful lot but I bet you would enjoy it.
Anyone else wondering how to deal with evil pirates should definitely learn a minimum level of PvP (go lose 50 T1 frigates in a lowsec FW region). It is immense fun and a whole different game.
This is coming from someone who spent a good year bearing it up in high sec and wormholes. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
258
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:46:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Loot in missions isn't that good anyway, blitz the missions for bounty and LP and let the ninja looters have a field day, everyone wins. No mission worth doing has less loot than LP.
the opportunity cost is the time spent looting could be spent running another mission getting more bounty, rewards, and LP
ironically I have a noctis bpo, and my only noctis is on an alt that hasn't been subscribed more than a month in the last year or two. maybe I should sub him for a month and have him follow me around as I haven't bothered with loot in quite a while. or maybe just train ore industrial 4 on an alt that can already use t2 tractors/salvagers.
PS: oh yes and I wouldn't bother shooting wrecks, it wastes your time and ammo. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
670
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Posted - 2013.06.12 20:35:00 -
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Quote:the opportunity cost is the time spent looting could be spent running another mission getting more bounty, rewards, and LP
Right, and taking 10 minutes to salvage generally produces 20 mil ISK (why I said the missions worth doing). You would be hard pressed to make 20 million in bounty plus LP in 10 minutes in hisec. You might be able to rush WC4 for a .5 agent and get 9k LP, but you aren't converting it at 2,222ISK/LP in that time frame.
Its why I quit running c3 anomalies. You can easily clear 200 mil an hour, but the opportunity cost of other things is better. we're gonna make them eat our ship, then ship out our ship, and then eat their ship that's made up of our ship that we made 'em eat. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
74
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Posted - 2013.06.12 20:55:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:the opportunity cost is the time spent looting could be spent running another mission getting more bounty, rewards, and LP Generally it's true but there are exceptions. One of them, Going Berserk: the mission's worth in bounties is 10 mil, the loot and salvage, according to EVE estimates is 25 mil. Considering that you clean faster than shoot and assuming that you can sell only for half of that price, it's still profitable to clean the mission. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1516
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:27:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:With the new crimewatch they become a suspect and can be attacked by anyone. Which could include a squad of your friends in actual PvP ships.
Which, in turn, can let you set some really diabolical traps for the dickheads who run this scam.
"I'm gonna ninja loot this mission runner, get him to shoot at me, and come back in my tech 3 and gank him! Kee kee kee kee! Oh he took the shot, off I go to dock up and come back with my leetness!"
(2 minutes later)
"Here I come and ... WTF three interceptors and five battleships all fit for PvP?! Gah I'm jammed! Gah I'm podded! Gah I'm cloned! My precious T3 gank ship! WAAHHHHHHH Moooom buy me another PLEX to tell sell so I can PvP again!" The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
ExcalibursTemplar
Citadel Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:42:00 -
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Angry Meatwad wrote:So after a looooong absence I came back awhile ago. Just now I had the first instance of someone coming into one of my missions and stealing loot. Now...normally I'm not much a looting guy...but it was highly annoying to watch this Magnate go around and loot all willy nilly. Eventually I decided to go for it and well...very very long story short I'm now 300 mill and a set of implants shorter than I was before.
I was thinking though during the whole ordeal that CCP has created a no lose situation really. A pirate can show up and loot at will with no threat of Concord? I seem to recall Concord showing up if you even sneezed wrong. So then it's basically down to the missioner to decide, can I kill this guy or will he just bring friends?(which is what happened to me.)
It's not a whine, **** happens. I should have just blown up my ship like I was going to and I would have come out ahead of what I ended up. I just don't get this sytem, it was in a .9, level 4 mission. I have to say I'm damn tempted to just go around my usual missioning systems with my own Magnate or hell even my Hound and just loot peoples crap. I feel like CCP has tied the "good guy's" hands on this system.
Ahhh well...live and learn...EVE is a cruel mistress..
Edit:
Any tips on how to avoid this in the future? Do you guys run with stabs in the lows or any other gear that might help a missioning ship deal with a tech 2 frig quickly enough before friends show up? I was in a normal Raven with tech 2 cruises, but being that I'm still poorish and haven't been back in a long time only brought t1 drones and used t1 missles. Had tech 2 shield stuff though.
Get reasonably close to the ninja salvager then aggro everything in the room and set of every reinforcement trigger. Then align to a celestial and wait until the last possible moment and just warp out. With a bit of luck the rats will switch their attention to the ninja salvager and kill them.
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