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Aracno't
Kenshin. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:15:00 -
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this new scanning patch has stuff all us seriously scanner over first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff second strike now that its so easy to scan everyone is out there scanning and it means that all the people who before the patch relied on scanning alone for income have been ****** up the ass, due to all the site being found as soon as they spawn, before the patch you might scan down 3 or 4 systems before you found something now you lucky to find anything after spending a day going from system to system. strike three this new set up for probes as you deploy them means that scanning has no skill in evolved its a newbie skill now i spent moths training up my scanning skills to level 5 so i could use all 8 probes and use them well, now all i have to do i spend a week training to get the same result, scan ships are now next to use less because you can now get the great scan strength from a bs fit with the moduals which means that. which means all us player who have spend months traing for the right ships and skills have been told bad luck don't care
SERIOUSLY CCP WHY **** UP WHAT WAS GREAT
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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:04:00 -
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Cause they can and will, I tried the new scan system I removed my scanning equipment and recycled them, back to missioning. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
341
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:10:00 -
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maybe go to low sec where less than 10% of population live and scan there
I thought AAA was a null alliance anyway, shouldn't be any competition for sites in null. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8207
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:26:00 -
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I agree with the OP.
True exploration is now a thing of the past. It not only required high skills and specialized equipment, it also required patience and persistence, along with some ingenuity and proper planing. Now it's nothing more than spoon fed instant gratification.
DMC
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
186
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:12:00 -
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Aracno't wrote:first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff second strike now that its so easy to scan everyone is out there scanning Wait, wut? So it's harder, but it's so easy everyone is doing it? .... ok
Aracno't wrote:...due to all the site being found as soon as they spawn, before the patch you might scan down 3 or 4 systems before you found something now you lucky to find anything after spending a day going from system to system. Then you are doing it wrong.
Aracno't wrote:i spent moths training up my scanning skills to level 5 so i could use all 8 probes and use them well, now all i have to do i spend a week training to get the same result, scan ships are now next to use less because you can now get the great scan strength from a bs fit with the moduals which means that. which means all us player who have spend months traing for the right ships and skills have been told bad luck don't care errr.... With level V skills you'll still find stuff faster than a 3 week noob, and you'll have cargo scanned and cleared half the site before they even arrive. 'Course that's given you are doing it right which... well.... see above. And scan strength ships also get bonuses to Analyzers, so you can cruise thru the tier 1 data/relic sites one-shoting firewalls and never taking damage. Again, do it right.
I agree it's been dumbed down so that any monkey can go "exploring". Though that's not even the right word for it. It's hardly exploration when you have a big glowing red ball on your map saying "goodies here! probe now!". There's alot of other stuff to complain about (like the lack of decent strategy in the mini-game, or the pointless loot spew), but not really what the OP is hitting at.
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Mycael
Biohazard.
10
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:25:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:maybe go to low sec where less than 10% of population live and scan there
After years of living and exploring in highsec, some of them are now doing this.
And they don't know how to dscan properly |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
341
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:46:00 -
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Mycael wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:maybe go to low sec where less than 10% of population live and scan there After years of living and exploring in highsec, some of them are now doing this. And they don't know how to dscan properly
and it is glorious |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
474
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Posted - 2013.06.13 07:57:00 -
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Quote:first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff It looks like i found a person who is even more bad at math than i am
before: base * 1.50 now: base * 1.25 * 1.25
So the scan strength increased with the patch.
I also have All V skills + virture and i don't regret it. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
177
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Posted - 2013.06.13 08:53:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I agree with the OP.
True exploration is now a thing of the past. It not only required high skills and specialized equipment, it also required patience and persistence, along with some ingenuity and proper planing. Now it's nothing more than spoon fed instant gratification.
DMC
meh, the first serpentis narcotic warehouses I found (in late 2008 or early 2009) involved me being forced to launch my probes by flying my spaceship around the system, and placing them in a non overlapping fashion by placing the SPACESHIP there. It took me about 30 minutes to create the bms required to do this, and then it required the probes to be run 6 times to get the hit - which as I recall - took an hour, and was probability based, and thus could fail indefinitely if it felt like it. The BMs themselves were a work of art in themselves too.
About 10 minutes in, still learning the plex in a vexor, I was overtaken by an Ishtar.
Could you imagine doing that twice. I couldn't, and didn't. I waited for the new system.
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Signal11th
The Retirement Club
1010
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Posted - 2013.06.13 08:59:00 -
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I must admit I used to do exploration alot but since the new patch I haven't done. Unfortunately for me I just don't like the new layout and the feel.
As they say adapt or die so I can't be arsed to adapt so I shall let it die. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
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Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage
171
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Posted - 2013.06.13 10:36:00 -
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I like the changes they made to scanning but I can agree in part with the OP. I think now that they have made these changes and introduced scanning to more players they should now add more difficult aspects to scanning that require higher skills and patience. What exists now is a good starting platform though. |
Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
259
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:01:00 -
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Love the changes. Love the new scanning. Don't like it, do use it. Whatever. |
Dr NAthan
Synergy R3act1on R O G U E
13
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:34:00 -
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Yup,
Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards.
Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.
Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses... |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
344
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:03:00 -
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Dr NAthan wrote:Yup,
Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards.
Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.
Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses...
All I can deduce from this post:
QQ all noobs stealing my high sec sites because they made scanning less convoluted and user friendly and I don't want to risk going into low/null/w-space because I'm a giant bear. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
475
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:04:00 -
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Dr NAthan wrote:Yup,
Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards. Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.
Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses... Because pressing 8x Times F1 and then hassle around with shift and alt key just to get to probes to the position like 1000x times before is a sign of skill! German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Eyana Starstruck
Samostalna Zanatska Radnja Devil Divided By Zero
15
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:07:00 -
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All I see are bear tears about how they are not making the right amount of isk like they did before because of competition. What's wrong with giving the masses ways to make ISK, cause you are not the one getting it? Aw buhu, go listen to justin bieber and cry in some corner cause some meanie took some site before you...
New scan system increased the speed of system scanning, getting ship positions also is faster, it brought wh space to more people which in return we can see more pvp.
I like it and do not wish it to go back to the old ways, that thing took so much time, launch each probe, then spread them, then with each scan range changes again modify the position of probes, many people were getting bored at the stage of probe launching. This way that part of the game has been made interesting again and I THANK YOU CCP, god bless the person that devised it, for opening exploration to more people so more of them can earn their share and spend it on pvp. |
Aracno't
Kenshin. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:27:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Quote:first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff It looks like i found a person who is even more bad at math than i am before: base * 1.50 now: base * 1.25 * 1.25 So the scan strength increased with the patch. I also have All V skills + virture and i don't regret it.
my scan strength before patch was 136.3 after patch it is 131.1 |
Aracno't
Kenshin. Against ALL Authorities
17
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:28:00 -
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Eyana Starstruck wrote:All I see are bear tears about how they are not making the right amount of isk like they did before because of competition. What's wrong with giving the masses ways to make ISK, cause you are not the one getting it? Aw buhu, go listen to justin bieber and cry in some corner cause some meanie took some site before you...
New scan system increased the speed of system scanning, getting ship positions also is faster, it brought wh space to more people which in return we can see more pvp.
I like it and do not wish it to go back to the old ways, that thing took so much time, launch each probe, then spread them, then with each scan range changes again modify the position of probes, many people were getting bored at the stage of probe launching. This way that part of the game has been made interesting again and I THANK YOU CCP, god bless the person that devised it, for opening exploration to more people so more of them can earn their share and spend it on pvp.
you could change the scan size in one hit its called the ctrl A key selects them all |
Spawn08
Synergy R3act1on R O G U E
19
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:30:00 -
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CCP have a diagram. This diagram would measure Real Money over players interest in the game.
People grow up and stop playing MMOs 1 day, and attracting new players and retaining their subscription is paramount to them moving forward and making money.
They do this by features in the game. The game is 10 years old now and the difference in a player who played for 1 year to a play who played for 10 is huge.
To help newer players stay subscribed they need to keep them entertained and play with the big boys.
Hense changes like this. |
Eyana Starstruck
Samostalna Zanatska Radnja Devil Divided By Zero
15
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:34:00 -
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Aracno't wrote:
you could change the scan size in one hit its called the ctrl A key selects them all
If you hold shift while dragging the scan range bubble same thing is applied... |
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Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
268
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:40:00 -
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TIL: -A- still exists and is so poor they've resorted to high sec exploration. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:41:00 -
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Aracno't wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:Quote:first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff It looks like i found a person who is even more bad at math than i am before: base * 1.50 now: base * 1.25 * 1.25 So the scan strength increased with the patch. I also have All V skills + virture and i don't regret it. my scan strength before patch was 136.3 after patch it is 131.1 Do you have All V skills? Also the Astrometric skill so you could launch 8 probes before the patch? German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Calgrissom Torvec
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:17:00 -
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I don't mind the scanning changes. The real issue is that now that sites are visible they are wiped out with in a few minutes after downtime. Basically US TZ players are taking this one in the face as most of us are in bed at that time. Before it took skills to run down sites which prevented them from being wiped out quickly. With the new mechanics this isn't the case. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
475
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:21:00 -
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Calgrissom Torvec wrote:I don't mind the scanning changes. The real issue is that now that sites are visible they are wiped out with in a few minutes after downtime. Basically US TZ players are taking this one in the face as most of us are in bed at that time. Before it took skills to run down sites which prevented them from being wiped out quickly. With the new mechanics this isn't the case. Sites don't spawn with downtime. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Calgrissom Torvec
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:24:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Calgrissom Torvec wrote:I don't mind the scanning changes. The real issue is that now that sites are visible they are wiped out with in a few minutes after downtime. Basically US TZ players are taking this one in the face as most of us are in bed at that time. Before it took skills to run down sites which prevented them from being wiped out quickly. With the new mechanics this isn't the case. Sites don't spawn with downtime.
I was told with odyssey that the spawn mechanic was change to respawn at down time. I have been misinformed |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
475
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:36:00 -
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I don't know how exactly the spawn mechanic works, but i guess we can all agree that DT has nothing to do with it.
The last thing i have heard is that sites spawn in the same region again after 4h. Where those numbers come from and if they are correct, i don't know. I would not count on it.
I have the _feeling_ that i find better sites in busy lowsec systems compared to almost dead lowsec systems. But i did not measure it, it's just a feeling. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1196
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:04:00 -
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the new system is ok for a minigame, but let's stop calling it exploration. it is not.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
268
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:48:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:the new system is ok for a minigame, but let's stop calling it exploration. it is not. "Exploration is the act of searching or traveling around a terrain (including space) for the purpose of discovery of resources or information" -Wikipedia
I don't know, it may not be discovery of unknown space (literally, I mean, not W-Space), but the above definition is pretty close. Eve's version of exploring is easily closer to that definition than any other MMO. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
583
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:25:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote: Because pressing 8x Times F1 and then hassle around with shift and alt key just to get to probes to the position like 1000x times before is a sign of skill!
getting some routine on things whihc allows you achieving the goal in a more efficient manner = skill. How would you define skill otherwise?
Yes, scanning has been dumbed down for noobs. Now, I wonder why CCP didnt simply reduce the number of probes from 8 to 1. All you do is pressing butan for 8 probes, you cant even launch single probes one by one, scaling/moving formation at once, so why are there 8 at all?? Why not simply resize and move one single big "probe"? Dumb down properly, CCP so its obvious!!!! |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
476
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:52:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:l0rd carlos wrote: Because pressing 8x Times F1 and then hassle around with shift and alt key just to get to probes to the position like 1000x times before is a sign of skill!
getting some routine on things whihc allows you achieving the goal in a more efficient manner = skill. How would you define skill otherwise? But part of the routine was so mindless stupid. Sitting at a save, pressing F1 - F1 - F1 - F1 ($*# F*CK, you pressed it too soon, again, F1 - F1 - F1 - F1 - F1. Yay, finaly, 8 probes. It was just a hassle. Nothing more.
Part of exploration also got harder. If i'm now flying a DED 5/10 it's way faster for the enemy to scan me down. Before that patch i saw enemy probes _everytime_ before they scaned me, even though i only use dscan every ~30 seconds.
Robert Caldera wrote: Yes, scanning has been dumbed down for noobs.
The entry point for new prober pilots has gone down, yes. But highend probing has still some things to offer.
You are in a lowsec system, XX pilots in local, system is over 120 AU big, find the Offgrid booster and scan him down. Hard without DSP if you ask me.
Or pobing down carefull explorers or missions runners, you still need to work the d-scan before launching the probes, which is part of the probing procces. Still takes some skill.
Probing is much more fun now. Yes, i was a explorer before the patch and now i probably earn less ISK, but i still find it a good change. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
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