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Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:39:00 -
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Source Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:43:00 -
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Wait, they think the Republic is gonna return him?..HAHANO.
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Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:44:00 -
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I'm not entirely convinced this is going to end well. Although I suppose the definition of "well" in this case comes down to individual perspective. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2919
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:49:00 -
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You're not entirely convinced this is going to end well?
I'm entirely convinced that it isn't.
But it was, perhaps, the best thing to do in the circumstances. Mane 614
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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:52:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:You're not entirely convinced this is going to end well?
I'm entirely convinced that it isn't.
But it was, perhaps, the best thing to do in the circumstances.
I'm not sure there was a happy choice here. There's a small chance that if the Republic handles things sensibly and delicately, things will turn out happily.
...who am I kidding? |
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:50:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:You're not entirely convinced this is going to end well?
I'm entirely convinced that it isn't.
But it was, perhaps, the best thing to do in the circumstances.
How can giving in have been the best thing to do? Fly Caldari! |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2922
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:54:00 -
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Brandi Wiseman wrote:How can giving in have been the best thing to do? We didn't give in.
We refused the demand they made, destroyed the invading fleet and proceeded with operating our government and justice system the way that we planned to, rather than the way that external forces insisted. At the end of the proceedings, we decided, on our own terms, to send Broteau to the Republic.
You merely see two identical outcomes, but I see two entirely different paths leading up to them. Mane 614
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:01:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:There's a small chance that if the Republic handles things sensibly and delicately, things will turn out happily.
I think that ship has long undocked... Bio and writing |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:12:00 -
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Nice to see that the Matari bashing snark continues unabated.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
17
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:31:00 -
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No, sweetie, this is Republic bashing snark. They made themselves unpopular.
When we get to the Matari bashing snark, I promise to send someone to wake you up so that you can come and shriek 'racist!'. |
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Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:37:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Brandi Wiseman wrote:How can giving in have been the best thing to do? We didn't give in. We refused the demand they made, destroyed the invading fleet and proceeded with operating our government and justice system the way that we planned to, rather than the way that external forces insisted. At the end of the proceedings, we decided, on our own terms, to send Broteau to the Republic. You merely see two identical outcomes, but I see two entirely different paths leading up to them.
Well if you wish to convince yourself of that of course, but the fact remains that the Minmatar now have him. I suspect you'll never get him back now and will have to content yourselves with 'Matar "justice".
Fly Caldari! |
Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L.
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:39:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Nice to see that the Matari bashing snark continues unabated.
Oh, we're playing the race card when people call things out as they are. How about you go try assaulting your allies again or something equally productive? Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai
URIEL is Recruting |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:47:00 -
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I almost want to see him brought before the tribal council and be ceremonially executed over galnet ... Dr. Ninavask Revan CEO - Commander The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:58:00 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:Nice to see that the Matari bashing snark continues unabated. Oh, we're playing the race card when people call things out as they are. How about you go try assaulting your allies again or something equally productive?
Oh Vince, how I love you. We need to catch up some time. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1065
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:59:00 -
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Two Federation officials should be allowed to observe the Sebiestor Tribe's trial. It's only fair considering we allowed the same to them.
Anabella Rella wrote:Nice to see that the Matari bashing snark continues unabated.
Apparently referring to roughly 25% of the galactic Minmatar population (the Republic) is the same as referring to all people of Minmatar descent.
And we're the big scary imperialist who think they control everyone Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
624
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:03:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Wait, they think the Republic is gonna return him?..HAHANO. They might send back a few parts. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient Electus Matari
61
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:16:00 -
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Ninavask wrote:I almost want to see him brought before the tribal council and be ceremonially executed over galnet...
Doubtful. We're not the Federation. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:45:00 -
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The Federation executed one of their admirals for treason in a public and gruesome way. The Republic invited cynicism after the incident in Colelie. So what does it matter who has him in custody? He is either going to be executed or die in prison. |
Apollo Lyserius
Prision Break Inc. The Nightingales of Hades
6
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:48:00 -
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The Federation acted accordingly to customs of interplanetary law, mostly. Crimes against Heads of State have always been granted extraterritoriality, both by custom and by law, and although this wasn't only a crime against a Head of State, justice demands that the Republic be granted their right to judge him for that crime.
It must be left to the diplomats of both nations to decide if the punishment Broteau deserves both for homicide of the Prime Minister AND of the Gallente and Minmatar citizens will be served appropriately by the Republic.
I personally believe that, considering the severity of the crimes, the Republic's sentence will easily contemplate the needs of the Federation's penal sovereignty.
In last case, an supra-national court will be established. But I don't think that would be practical, or even needed. |
Argoist Zxim
Terraprobe Dynamics Aurora Foundation
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:53:00 -
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As i stated somewhere else:
Implant him with one of the mercenary implants and make him live out a life sentence for every life he took. Put him on a rock somewhere doing hard labour for a few centuries. In harsh conditions that are incredibly miserable, but not deadly. Death is a little thing. |
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James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
429
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:54:00 -
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Now that the Federation has demonstrated its willingness to suffer any indignity for peace by extraditing Msr. Broteau to the Tribal Entity.
When might we expect those responsible for ordering the deaths of all those thousands of Federation citizens in Colelie to be extradited or punished by the noble justice loving Matar? GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1524
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Posted - 2013.06.14 04:46:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:When might we expect those responsible for ordering the deaths of all those thousands of Federation citizens in Colelie to be extradited or punished by the noble justice loving Matar?
I bow in awe before the might of your sense of sarcasm.
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
499
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:05:00 -
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Why just post a link to a news story with no comment? Do you think we can't find the news ourselves? Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Halete
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
938
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:08:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Why just post a link to a news story with no comment? Do you think we can't find the news ourselves?
Perhaps because the official news feeds usually have no component open for discussion.
Seriously did you even make an effort to think about this before posting?
Linking news sources such as this is a time-honored tradition of forums. Even if the news source does allow open discussion it isn't necessarily the type of discussion that certain GalNet subcultures are looking for, therefore it is common for numerous discussion threads in response to breaking news.
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
499
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:16:00 -
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Yes, I did think before posting. I don't mind someone opening a discussion thread as long as they discuss it. The OP contains no such discussion however, like in this one. I think it's a bit weird to asume that people will want to discuss something if you yourself do not. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Halete
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
938
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:18:00 -
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It's news, Che.
People will discuss it. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
54
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:29:00 -
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Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:Ninavask wrote:I almost want to see him brought before the tribal council and be ceremonially executed over galnet... Doubtful. We're not the Federation.
I had completely forgotten about that. Maybe the minmatar should bring him back... or just let us handle coverage. Dr. Ninavask Revan CEO - Commander The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
530
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:21:00 -
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The lesson learned here: if you throw an international temper tantrum, you will get what you want. Does the federation also negotiate with terrorists? |
Katarina Musana
Gradient Electus Matari
73
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:07:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Brandi Wiseman wrote:How can giving in have been the best thing to do? We didn't give in. We refused the demand they made, destroyed the invading fleet and proceeded with operating our government and justice system the way that we planned to, rather than the way that external forces insisted. At the end of the proceedings, we decided, on our own terms, to send Broteau to the Republic. You merely see two identical outcomes, but I see two entirely different paths leading up to them.
Despite how infuriating the Federation's belligerence and insults were, if the Federation stood by their convictions fully, at least they'd have earned some respect. But apparently Federation foreign policy boils down to trolling their allies, and then giving in to demands when things get heated. Sometimes, I think null-sec alliances are better at foreign policy.
Fredfredbug4 wrote:Apparently referring to roughly 25% of the galactic Minmatar population (the Republic) is the same as referring to all people of Minmatar descent.
Oh, look, it's the "journalist" who thinks the majority of Matari are criminals and outlaws because we "have our fair share" of criminals and outlaws, just like every other race.
Don't you have some bullshit to write and publish as "news"?
Quote:The Federation acted accordingly to customs of interplanetary law, mostly. Crimes against Heads of State have always been granted extraterritoriality, both by custom and by law, and although this wasn't only a crime against a Head of State, justice demands that the Republic be granted their right to judge him for that crime.
Funny you say that, since our complaint from the beginning was the fact that the Federation was refusing to act according to customs of interplanetary law regarding crimes against Heads of State. |
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2013.06.15 13:02:00 -
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Our Gallente overlords sound angry today. |
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