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Scooter McCabe
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:39:00 -
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You may have noticed that a TEST fleet is comprised entirely of Talwars, or that BoodaBooda has addressed his alliance telling them to file petitions with CCP to reimburse their ships before approaching their alliance for one. You may have seen leaked broadcasts of TEST offering pilots a lottery for PLEX in return for logging in to defend its own space. You may have also noticed that TEST has regularly dumped large mineral holdings while they hemorrhage rental fees and ratting taxes. You may have also heard on Reddit how TEST leadership is trying to sell everyone on the idea of becoming nomadic like PL without the Supers, but it hasn't caught much traction.
These are the tell tale signs of an alliance about to go bankrupt and unable to pay SOV bills. Let's start with the facts we know. We know that Boodabooda has withdrawn the ability for line members of TEST to examine their own alliance finances. We know that as off the battles in NOL and SMEB TEST's reimbursement team declared a 3 week turn around time to answer requests. We know directly after this announcement Boodabooda declared that the alliance would petition CCP for reimbursing their lost ships and that no alliance reimbursement requests would be honored till that was resolved. You can observe from the battle reports in B-D, E-4 and J5A that only TEST's protectors bring Navy Apocs while TEST Alliance itself is suspiciously comprised of a single Talwar doctrine. We also know from the start of the war that renting and ratting for TEST has become next to impossible, as that requires safe and secure space for those activities to be carried out.
So what does this all mean?
TEST has been robbing itself to stay afloat financially for a month or two longer before the cat gets let out of the bag. TEST's leadership expects to see a massive SOV loss by being unable to pay its own bills. This is why TEST Alliance has decided to move to Karan, under the guise of "defending the null sec sov they live in by staging out of a low sec system." It seems strange to any observer that you would defend your home by abandoning it, but TEST claims to have the CFC where it wants them. Right in TEST's house kicking its feet up in the master chair. The bribes to get pilots to log in, the crushing cost of SOV bills, and losses at NOL and SMEB have required TEST to take the liquid isk dedicated for SOV bills and pay for that. Now that they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel something has to give.
So TEST has dumped massive reserves of minerals to get them through the next month of SOV bills while heavily restricting what ships will be reimbursed. The effect of robbing Peter to pay Paul means that without a steady and regular income you can expect to see TEST patrolling low sec.
To outline further how desperate TEST is consider the recent EVE O threads where TEST asks for donations, for Hi Sec volunteers to fight Goons, and the child like threats that they will war dec those who don't help them after the win the war. So boiling this down TEST has recently begged for money, begged for help and made ultimatums that are toothless. After all if you are begging for Isk and Pilots to defend you how is it that your going to punish those that don't help you in the first place? More borrowed Isk and Pilots?
TEST is broke and its leaders have already decided to live in Low Sec. If you are a TEST pilot and not thrilled with that prospect contact the nearest Goon to ask about defecting. |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:06:00 -
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tl;dr TEST doesn't have two pennies to rub together |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
429
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:08:00 -
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We'll see...
It is true that numerous representatives from Test have made public pleas for help. Others have privately asked me and other pillars of high sec to come and protect them.
Donations for the war effort have been trickling in like clockwork.
Venture fleets are forming up in Jita and other hubs to come defend Test.
I have been rallying industrialists from all over to come defend the Testes.
Now if I could just get the Testes to stop spending all their time making music videos and undock instead, I think combined we shall be a formidable threat.
I challenge Goons to bring their greatest fleets into every system in Test space. Like the farmers of old exchanging pitchforks for spears, miners across high sec are refitting their mining ships to come defend the dukes of Test from Emperor Mittani.
Mark my words... there shall be no chapter 11. High sec stands behind test- to victory or chapter 7.
Who stands with me? See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:21:00 -
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All rubbish.
Just been out again in my apoc, turkey shooting a barrel of caracals then killing some TCUs. The reconquest of Fountain is progressing, oh and look:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/QXW-PV
Picked the wrong side, Exe, picked the wrong side.
In other news 2 CSAAs were killed by Black Legion, aborting 2 titans. |
Saiyon
Corporate Scum Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:06:00 -
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That must be magic ISK that appears in my wallet then.... I blink and yet it is still there.... hmmmm |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
381
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:01:00 -
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hahahaha
wow, this is a new one. i guess the heavy losses that have been sustained by the CFC in the last 24hours is effecting your propaganda department.
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Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:13:00 -
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Our strat op is in progress. We're in PNQY melting Goon SBUs. After today losing 2 titans, 2 supers, a TFI fleet (with no prospect of getting more because Minnie have given up in Faction War), a couple of Caracal/Celestis fleets Goons have decided not to show up to fight us.
If we were broke, which we ain't, won't matter much if you don't come fight us. |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:29:00 -
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Breaking: Goons have formed at last, here we go! |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
364
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:02:00 -
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Hahahaha TEST |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
383
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:07:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Hahahaha TEST
hahahahahaha cfc not reimbursing TFIs...
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8242
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:35:00 -
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i dunno we just reimbursed a pile of them Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:36:00 -
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Andski wrote:i dunno we just reimbursed a pile of them
He's referring to a leak we've heard that CoW have stopped reimbursing them. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
365
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:39:00 -
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It's weird because test finds themselves in this position that even if they somehow win, ~*elite pvp*~ is just gonna cherry pick what's left of them and kick over the desiccated corpse. There is no real win here, just surrender fountain. |
Scooter McCabe
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
193
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:45:00 -
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Well since Goonswarm publishes it's financial records, which include things like reimbursement payouts, we can see the TFIs reimbursed. TEST on the other hand isn't so transparent, you won't see Navy Apocs replaced or any indication of financial health. |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
515
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:10:00 -
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Who is CoW? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3680
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Posted - 2013.06.14 05:51:00 -
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Scooter McCabe wrote:Well since Goonswarm publishes it's financial records, which include things like reimbursement payouts, we can see the TFIs reimbursed. TEST on the other hand isn't so transparent, you won't see Navy Apocs replaced or any indication of financial health. When is the next financial audit thing? I'm curious how much this war has cost "us" (GSF, I don't know if the other alliances in CFC publish all their reimbursement and stuff) I am a nullsec zealot. |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 07:24:00 -
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Charles Case wrote:Who is CoW?
CoW? Co2? Some Goon pet, we were told about it on comms not really sure who they are. |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 07:29:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:It's weird because test finds themselves in this position that even if they somehow win, ~*elite pvp*~ is just gonna cherry pick what's left of them and kick over the desiccated corpse. There is no real win here, just surrender fountain.
The thing is, and this is somewhat fascinating, it's become not a war between the new kids vs elite pvp it's become a war between the 2 relative new kids against each other while the elite pvp dudes get to play kingmaker.
And just as Goons were about to get everyone into carriers and become elite pvp in their own right.
The politics of nullsec is fascinating and it's impossible at the grunt level to guess how much is happenstance and how much sinister plot.
The chances however of TEST going wait, why are we siding with these elite pvp dudes? is close to zero. We like them as people (especially Uncle Shadoo) and they're not the ones who decided to extinction level threat us out of nullsec, you guys are. (And we see the invasion of Fountain as something which if successful would not stop at Y-2). |
Scooter McCabe
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
199
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Posted - 2013.06.14 07:35:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:It's weird because test finds themselves in this position that even if they somehow win, ~*elite pvp*~ is just gonna cherry pick what's left of them and kick over the desiccated corpse. There is no real win here, just surrender fountain. The thing is, and this is somewhat fascinating, it's become not a war between the new kids vs elite pvp it's become a war between the 2 relative new kids against each other while the elite pvp dudes get to play kingmaker. And just as Goons were about to get everyone into carriers and become elite pvp in their own right. The politics of nullsec is fascinating and it's impossible at the grunt level to guess how much is happenstance and how much sinister plot. The chances however of TEST going wait, why are we siding with these elite pvp dudes? is close to zero. We like them as people and they're not the ones who decided to extinction level threat us out of nullsec, you guys are. (And we see the invasion of Fountain as something which if successful would not have stopped at Y-2).
Any Kool Aid left in that cup of yours? BoodaBooda pretty much leaked all the logs confirming confirming TESTs continued hostility towards Goons ever since the admission that HBC was specifically put together to kill the CFC. As for putting people in carriers, well sorry we have Isk. Speaking of Isk thanks for buying me a new IHUB you left unanchored for me to take in J5A. |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 08:09:00 -
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Any large alliances with history are full of people going grrrr Goons or grrr Test.
It's up to the leaders which way we go.
The hostility between Test and Goons could, I think, have been managed instead it was escalated. And that's been going on a long time, probably over 2 years now. Possibly back to the beginning.
There are some compelling reasons not to alienate new alliances that seem destined to be massive, for instance Brave Newbies now (who Test really like and have good relations with).
But Goons have always gone with the "****** kid brother" approach to Test and Mittens has deliberately escalated this by sensationalising Test leadership behaviour eg "The Madness of Montolio" piece, the rage at Booda for supporting a blue, the manufacturing of a narrative that cries betrayal at leaked logs by someone who made his name and fame gaining access to information and leaking it, the recent demonising of Viktor our head diplo. All of these have an element of truth to them but have been exaggerated out of all proportion as a way of escalating tensions and also I think, partly for ego ("How dare you talk back to The Mittani).
It would perhaps have been in the long term interests of Goons to let Test break off and mature while maintaining friendship, just like Pandemic Legion have done. I don't know, I'm not privy to Goon management, maybe it seemed better to risk it all knowing that wulfpax faction war and good fights would be more of a return to Goon core values than a huge bloated space empire that blues everyone and rarely fights.
And there's a real risk of a massive massive CFC failcascade.
Look at the way pets are treated (and you can't begin to claim they're equal partners or whatever):
Quote:The leaked diplomatic logs include this quote from GSF diplomat Tector: "SMA currently has 2300 people and 1200 life jackets, You can hand out those 1200 lifejackets to the people you think are worth saving, or you can hum and haw about how unfair it is to let people die, and you all drownGÇ¥. This amounted to an ultimatum for SMA to cut away its bloat before it drags the alliance below the waves. http://themittani.com/news/slopes-slope-throne-sma-purge?page=0%2C1
No one accepts being talked to like that without resentment. Imagine someone telling Goons to kick a bunch of people. Someone did tell Test to kick a bunch of people and it was 07 to his coalition over it.
You've bullied your pets outrageously for years but it's always been in their best interests to take the beatings and keep their space. You've deliberately commissared people from time to time just to keep the rest honest, like Convicted. Some pets are so terrified that they've instituted draconian rules forcing participation:
Things get real
Jadecougar wrote:EVERY SINGLE COMBAT PILOT will be involved in this! I will be looking for an incredible increase of participation and numbers from this alliance.
Right now, I want to see ALL (combat) Li3 Federation are to get up in VFK-IV immediately. Anyone refusing to get involved with this, the CEO and I will have a chat. |
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Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 08:18:00 -
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Also well played on the ihub. Some people are rather annoyed. Good job!
See you when we come shoot it. |
Lemonades
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2013.06.14 10:15:00 -
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Yeah this came across on comms, our dearest leader wasn't even aware that the mighty spreadsheet of test financials wasnt active anymore. This was the result of an API issue. Let's put all put our tinfoil hat on and talk about how they are trying to cover it all up!
80% mineral price in null also seems really decent to me. Think i've seen people sell for less. |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
1024
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Posted - 2013.06.14 10:48:00 -
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I wonder if certain people are realising they might have bitten off more than they can chew. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
V1P3RR
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:08:00 -
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Callduron wrote:All rubbish.
Just been out again in my apoc, turkey shooting a barrel of caracals then killing some TCUs. The reconquest of Fountain is progressing, Cloud Ring is next
Picked the wrong side, Exe, picked the wrong side.
In other news 2 CSAAs were killed by Black Legion, aborting 2 titans.
like you actually conquered that region and wasnt given to you ...
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Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
364
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:11:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Charles Case wrote:Who is CoW? CoW? Co2? Some Goon pet, we were told about it on comms not really sure who they are.
"we have no clue who they are but someone told us they did something so I'm going to tell everyone about it like it's gospel." GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3681
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:18:00 -
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V1P3RR wrote:Callduron wrote:All rubbish.
Just been out again in my apoc, turkey shooting a barrel of caracals then killing some TCUs. The reconquest of Fountain is progressing, Cloud Ring is next
Picked the wrong side, Exe, picked the wrong side.
In other news 2 CSAAs were killed by Black Legion, aborting 2 titans. like you actually conquered that region and wasnt given to you ... Shouldn't we be saying that the reconquest of Fountain is progression.
I don't know about cloud ring, apparently Delve is next despite it not being assigned as next, but when you start rolling with Boat, it's hard to stop.
It's funny because he's supposed to be (1) fat and (2) likes grinding sov a lot. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:23:00 -
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V1P3RR wrote:Callduron wrote:All rubbish.
Just been out again in my apoc, turkey shooting a barrel of caracals then killing some TCUs. The reconquest of Fountain is progressing, Cloud Ring is next
Picked the wrong side, Exe, picked the wrong side.
In other news 2 CSAAs were killed by Black Legion, aborting 2 titans. like you actually conquered that region and wasnt given to you ...
Erm you do know Deklein was given to Goons? |
Callduron
382
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:25:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
It's funny because he's supposed to be (1) fat and (2) likes grinding sov a lot.
1) He's no longer fat
2) so do we
Also not particularly funny.
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Scooter McCabe
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:30:00 -
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I think the deluge of emotionally charged replies from TEST over the last page and a half says it all. As I understand it when we snatched up that IHUB it was right in front of BoodaBooda's alt which we later podded, along with blowing up the covert cyno that was intended to deal with us. |
Vercinget0rix
Eclipse Navy. Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:52:00 -
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Careful not to step in the bull **** guys. |
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