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Saheed Cha'chris'ra
Krautz WH Exploration and Production LiVingInTheBoX
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Posted - 2013.06.15 18:20:00 -
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Hey guys,
since I got into exploring through odyssey I see combat sites everywhere.
I want to fly combat sites in lowsec. What sites can i expect there, and what ship would be a good choice? Of course i heard about the change with t3's, they are not longer allowed to get in 3/10s and 4/10s.
Since i never flew this sites before, I have no idea what i am capable of.
I can fly a Legion, Amarr T2 Cruisers, Amarr Recon Ships, Command Ships, and every t1 ship to BS-Class. A friend of mine is doing the sites in his Ishtar, but I have only Amarr Cruiser V. Also i don't like flying gallente ships, since my blaster/railgun-skills are crap & my drone skills could be better too.
Any advice on how to do this?
Are All-in-One Fittings still a good choice? (Scanning+combat ship in one)
Or do I need a scanner-alt?
Also: I don't want to put billions in ship i will probably lose, something not-too-shiny-but-efficient would be nice.
Thanks for any answers guys! o7 |
Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.15 18:27:00 -
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When I started playing eve, the pilgrim was often being used as all in one ship.
It's cloak allows you to escape many gatecamps and since it is a droneboat you got highs free for probelauncher and such.
Just don't know if its that good anymore. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
780
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:13:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:When I started playing eve, the pilgrim was often being used as all in one ship.
It's cloak allows you to escape many gatecamps and since it is a droneboat you got highs free for probelauncher and such.
Just don't know if its that good anymore.
At no point has the Pilgrim ever been able to solo lowsec combat sites (aside from, maybe, 4/10s).
OP: Gila. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:38:00 -
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Well, to give really definite advice we'd need to know what rats you were looking at.
Beyond that, the idea of an "all in one" ship isn't that far fetched if you don't refitting a T3 to switch between combat and scan/travel/professional site fits. If you really want a single ship with a single fit it gets much, much harder to swing. Although it's easier to do now, as sites are generally ****-all easy to scan with Odyssey.
Legion would probably be your best bet, but again -- the devil is in the details. If you're going to try to match its native resists by going up against Angels, for instance, you're more or less stuck with a missile fit because lasers aren't going to do anything to them worth speaking of.
If you don't mind excluding combat sites, the Pilgrim is ridiculously good at what it does. Although the Legion has kind of eclipsed it given the bonus you get from the Emergent Locus Analyzer for hacking. But honestly, if you just want professional sites you might as well be in a covops anyhow.
Edit: oh, and a thought on your budget. Obviously, don't spend more than you need to to get the performance you want. And obviously don't spend more than you can afford to lose a few times over. But if you can afford it, I see no reason not to spend on a low sec exploration ship. My current fit runs ~1bil (a bit over last I checked) but every bit of it is spent to improve performance and it always pays for itself many times over before I lose it. And yes, I do lose it. |
Kubla-Kahn
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:57:00 -
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Actually this is a question I a, pondering right now too. I have been running everything in high sec in a Navy Issue Scythe which works fine for both exploring data and relic sites and does fine in the combat sites. I want to go to low and into some wormholes to hopefully improve the payout. However, I am not overly keen on taking a Tengu (which this character is trained for).
I will be able to fly HAC's soon and while I plan to start in a Cerb, I am thinking an Ishtar would be better for low/wormhole work. That means a lot more training for it and to get my drone skills solid (mostly Minny/Amarr trained with the Tengu thrown in for good measure).
Thoughts on HAC's for this?
Seems that only the Ishtar fits the bill - but my skills are more attuned right now to the Cerb or the Sacrilige. |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
243
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:26:00 -
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Ishtar is very popular for this and you can fit a decent one for not too much. The sacrilege can most definitely tank the sites, but it has bad projection so it will take awhile to do the sites, less dps too. Here's a Guristas Ishtar solo lowsec combat plex fit:
[Ishtar, Solo Plex]
Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Coreli A-Type Kinetic Plating Armor Kinetic Hardener II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Large Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
Prototype Cloaking Device I Sisters Core Probe Launcher Small 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction /OFFLINE [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Vespa EC-600 x5 Garde II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warden II x5
You need the MWD + Cloak for solo to get past gatecamps, if you have someone scanning and scouting for you then you don't have to use as many faction modules and can probably get more tank/dps one there. |
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:28:00 -
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Ed: Dato beat me to it!
Quote: [Ishtar, Ishtar: Ninja Explorer] Medium Armor Repairer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Large Capacitor Battery II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Data Analyzer I Relic Analyzer I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher I Salvager I Empty
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hornet II Vespa EC-600 Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I Warden II Garde II
Not much else compares to the ishtar for cheap all-in-one exploring, although I suspect a gila would be similar (never bothered to try one personally). T3s can get the job done, but you will spend a lot more isk for that covert cloak and comparatively anemic dps (unless you really get spendy) - the legion is also the last t3 I would propose for the job.
Train up those drone skills! |
Kubla-Kahn
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:22:00 -
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Excellent. Thanks for the fit.. I will get the drones trained up for that. |
Kalihira
Interstellar Newcomers Inc. Home Front Coalition
12
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:49:00 -
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[Ishtar, lowsec guristas ] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Warden II x5 Garde II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
This is what I use, with the genolution set plugged in, allthough I usually stay close to home and probe with my anathema, so I dont have the probe launcher actually fitted. |
Dawn Endoras
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.30 10:07:00 -
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Kalihira wrote: This is what I use, with the genolution set plugged in, allthough I usually stay close to home and probe with my anathema, so I dont have the probe launcher actually fitted.
How does that cope with aggro swapping? Ever since rats started swapping aggro to drones, I've found you spend most of your time pulling them in and out. DPS is severely limited once you factor that in. |
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Syrias Bizniz
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
203
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:04:00 -
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If you've got Amarr Tech 2/3 stuff, your best bet is fitting a Sac if you're cheap or Legion if you're not Sac-Cheap, and go do Angel Stuff.
High native Exp/Kin resistances make your armor tank extraordinary strong, and with HAMs you have free choice of damage types, so 'Shooting with Lasers at Angels' is no problem anymore.
And if you're really pro you do it in a Shield-Tanked curse and wonder where the heck those angels have EM damage from. |
Nihassa
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.08.02 08:06:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:
At no point has the Pilgrim ever been able to solo lowsec combat sites (aside from, maybe, 4/10s).
Disagreeing with you there, I used to run combat site pretty well in a pilgrim throughout lowsec, took a 'tad' longer than an ishtar but its definitely is/was possible. (This may have changed however as its been awhile - if so apologies - But you did say 'at no point )
Cloaky save you from alot of stupid, and not so stupid mistakes, thus improving your isk/time ratio. More so if your not completely at home in Lowsec yet.
Have you considered a cheap BC Hull with spare mids/highs (Myrm) could save you some isk on losses. Ishtar is epic, and going to be even better next(?) patch, tho a bit pricy and much better suited to guristas where it can hold its own in alot of Null sites to.
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How2FoldSoup
47th Space Militia
38
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:10:00 -
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Solo exploring in a pilgrim is completely possible...My explorapilgrim has completed many sites
However it is long and tedious especially after the AI changes with Odyssey. Is certainly possible and just takes some creativity with the fight and with the flying. It's nice to do when you're bored in low and no one is around.
Good luck and fly safe \o
Soup
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