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Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
362
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:11:00 -
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Sarcasim wrote:I guess for the same reason a person should be able to be cloaked up while sleeping in bed forcing others to adapt to their presence in system. Same thing afk ice miners said until they changed it
Only afk miners were bringing materials into the game with no effort on their part, seriously devaluing the market. CCP kinda cares about that thing. People have been complaining about afk cloaking since I joined the game and CCP has not done anything about it because its not a problem, and trust me, I argued your side once a llong time ago, but I've come to understand the situation and have changed my position.
Listen, a cloaked ship makes no isk. it doesn't mine materials, it doesn't earn pirate bounty, it doesn't transport goods, it doesn''t play the market. It does nothing but scare weak-minded people. It has zero effect on people who know what it is and are prepared to deal with it. It only forces you to adapt to their presence in system because you let it.
And the whole reason it exists in the first place is because of local intel. AFK cloaking is a player made solution to a broken mechanic, and you want it changed because now an unknown has been introduced to what you thought was a 100% effective safety blanket. You want CCP to make it so you always know when its safe to go out and bring isk into the game by ratting and mining.
Well, if that guy wants to waste his 15$ a month sitting afk in a system, I don't think CCP is going to care. He's not doing anything but helping to control the isk faucet problem. |
Sarcasim
The Free Haven Group The Union of Free Worlds
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:11:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Sarcasim wrote:Mag's wrote:Sarcasim wrote:It doesn't give free intel other than to show the person has been at their kb in the last 30 min..seems fair to me. He'll make it 45 min. If you can't be at the on playing the game then you shouldn't be in the game.
FYI your replies to the question where so inane I thought you were trolling Of course it's free intel. If this idea is in place and you keep pressing the button, they know you are at the keyboard. That's free intel. Why should you get even more intel, on top of the already powerful local intel tool? Oh and it's my account, I'll do whatever I wish with it thanks. (within the EULA) I guess for the same reason a person should be able to be cloaked up while sleeping in bed forcing others to adapt to their presence in system. Prey tell how does someone AFK cloaked in bed asleep, force you to do anything? Isn't it merely prudent to take precautions with an enemy in the system? you are after all in null. What relevance does them being AFK have to taking those steps? People have stated their case and made valid points, your refusal to acknowledge those points doesnGÇÖt make them any less valid. I am done here I donGÇÖt have the time or desire to continue to argue with the internet forum idiots.
Akf cloaking is BS and should be changed just like afk ice mining was changed, (which had a 30 min cycle time as well even)
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
485
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:12:00 -
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All local should be delayed everywhere, when you use communicatons in space, it should reveal your identity to all. If you have radio silence, then you are not revealed.
If you want instant chat, talk to your corp in corp chat or fleet chat or something. If you publically broadcast, then reveal yourself, if not then your hidden on chat.
Local is being abused as an intel channel, it is not its designed purpose. The only people I see whining about it are those depending on it for intel, well, use scanners, that is an ingame feature designed for intel and location. Not chat. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2253
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:12:00 -
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Sarcasim wrote:I guess for the same reason a person should be able to be cloaked up while sleeping in bed forcing others to adapt to their presence in system. Same thing afk ice miners said until they changed it
How do you force someone to do something will both cloaked and asleep?
This shows how spoiled people like you are, you should be taking precautions (ie in fleet, fit to survive, ready to call for or cyno in help)in null sec to begin with, the cloaky guy coming in shouldn't elicit any kind of response, the response should have been preparation before undocking in null sec.
Lemme guess. You're in a Renter Alliance? Most Renters I've know have been pro EVE players...and you seem...renterish .lol
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15068
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:13:00 -
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Sarcasim wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Sarcasim wrote: If you can't be at the on playing the game then you shouldn't be in the game. So you agree that autopiloting in high sec should require fuel or automatically log people off after 2 jumps. Stop trying to prove your the idiot that you are. You know, you generally don't use articles after possessives in English.
That said, you still have to agree that auto-piloting in highsec should require a button-press or automatically log people off after a few jumps, right?
Quote:I guess for the same reason a person should be able to be cloaked up while sleeping in bed forcing others to adapt to their presence in system. Because they're inherently passive and unable to do anything, you mean? EhGǪ that doesn't make sense. GǣThey should get even more free intel because they're passive and unable to do anythingGǥGǪ but they are not passive and they are able to do stuff.
Quote:Akf cloaking is BS and should be changed just like afk ice mining was changed How is it BS? What does making money effortlessly and without any interaction (which is what they wanted to change) with the game have to do with doing nothing? What makes you think that anything related to the former is in any way relevant for the latter? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14990
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:15:00 -
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Sarcasim wrote:Mag's wrote:Sarcasim wrote: I guess for the same reason a person should be able to be cloaked up while sleeping in bed forcing others to adapt to their presence in system.
Prey tell how does someone AFK cloaked in bed asleep, force you to do anything? Isn't it merely prudent to take precautions with an enemy in the system? you are after all in null. What relevance does them being AFK have to taking those steps? People have stated their case and made valid points, your refusal to acknowledge those points doesnGÇÖt make them any less valid. I am done here I donGÇÖt have the time or desire to continue to argue with the internet forum idiots. Akf cloaking is BS and should be changed just like afk ice mining was changed, (which had a 30 min cycle time as well even) We don't refuse to accept any arguments, we simply want you to answer questions with facts and not feelings.
But I guess it's best you leave now. When someone resorts to personal attacks, then they obviously don't really have a valid argument to begin with.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
363
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:16:00 -
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Hey Sarcasm, what kind of ratting or mining ship do you fly?
I want to help you out. I like helping people, I'll show you how you can do whatever it is you do right under the nose of active hunter ships, let alone a cloaked inactive one. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2255
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:18:00 -
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Sarcasim wrote: People have stated their case and made valid points, your refusal to acknowledge those points doesnGÇÖt make them any less valid. I am done here I donGÇÖt have the time or desire to continue to argue with the internet forum idiots.
So the problem is everyone else right? All these other people are wrong and you are somehow the God of EVE.
Or could it be that you are so blinded by something you don't like and don't have enough gumption to do something about (cloaking) that you think anyhting supporting your side is soehow automatically "valid".
The only problem here is that you can't adapt properly to the situation you dislike and in your desperation you come to the forums to beg the game makers to make it stop. It's pretty pitiful is you ask me.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2255
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:25:00 -
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We don't refuse to accept any arguments, we simply want you to answer questions with facts and not feelings. [/quote]
Well said
Most of these "discussions" boil down to fact/evidence based thinkers vs emotional/feeling/perception based thinkers. The emotional types tend to think that how they "feel" is how everyone should feel and that if you don't there is something wrong with you or you have an agenda.
The emotional types (which is what most of the "brilliant idea" people are) tend to be really selfish and can't see beyond their own immediate needs. So when someone like me (a target rather than a cloaker) tells them they are going about it all wrong they consider us traitors in a sense.
Like when i posted disagreeing with Local blinking in null sec (something that I very much benefit from) some people were like "dude, do you WANT someone to blow up your Machariel".. To which i answered "no, of course not, but the truth is null sec isn't about safety and comfort".
They just can't process how anyone could think like me. I can't process that level of seflishness and lazyness in a video game lol. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14994
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:29:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mag's wrote:We don't refuse to accept any arguments, we simply want you to answer questions with facts and not feelings.
Well said Most of these "discussions" boil down to fact/evidence based thinkers vs emotional/feeling/perception based thinkers. The emotional types tend to think that how they "feel" is how everyone should feel and that if you don't there is something wrong with you or you have an agenda. The emotional types (which is what most of the "brilliant idea" people are) tend to be really selfish and can't see beyond their own immediate needs. So when someone like me (a target rather than a cloaker) tells them they are going about it all wrong they consider us traitors in a sense. Like when i posted disagreeing with Local blinking in null sec (something that I very much benefit from) some people were like "dude, do you WANT someone to blow up your Machariel".. To which i answered "no, of course not, but the truth is null sec isn't about safety and comfort". They just can't process how anyone could think like me. I can't process that level of seflishness and lazyness in a video game lol. Indeed. The thing is as you have pointed out, local intel has been boosted of late. If you place this in the context of how well local intel works in null, one could argue it's safer than high sec.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Sarcasim
The Free Haven Group The Union of Free Worlds
9
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:03:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Hey Sarcasm, what kind of ratting or mining ship do you fly?
I want to help you out. I like helping people, I'll show you how you can do whatever it is you do right under the nose of active hunter ships, let alone a cloaked inactive one. Thank you for the kind offer but I left null a month ago. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1414
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:16:00 -
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Sarcasim wrote:It doesn't give free intel other than to show the person has been at their kb in the last 30 min..seems fair to me. He'll make it 45 min. If you can't be at the on playing the game then you shouldn't be in the game.
FYI your replies to the question where so inane I thought you were trolling
So it's intel that tells you someone was active and at their keyboard very recently.
Tell me why you demand such intel. Why can't you live without it?
Why do you deserve it? What are you doing to earn it?
Why is it necessary?
PS: Attempting to insinuate every rebuttal or question posed to you as trolling just makes you look like a fool. Are your arguments so week that you have to resort to that? |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
366
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:24:00 -
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Sarcasim wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:Hey Sarcasm, what kind of ratting or mining ship do you fly?
I want to help you out. I like helping people, I'll show you how you can do whatever it is you do right under the nose of active hunter ships, let alone a cloaked inactive one. Thank you for the kind offer but I left null a month ago.
Well anytime you get the urge to go back to the lucrative yet shark infested waters that are null, hit me up. I will gladly teach you how to swim outside the cage. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:13:00 -
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Scientists have determined cloaking devices run on the tears of bears of various stripes, and fortunately, that is a fuel available in great quantities. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2261
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:30:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Scientists have determined cloaking devices run on the tears of bears of various stripes, and fortunately, that is a fuel available in great quantities.
Don't say that, next thing you know, CCP will nerf tear ducts, they nerf everything! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
291
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Scientists have determined cloaking devices run on the tears of bears of various stripes, and fortunately, that is a fuel available in great quantities. Don't say that, next thing you know, CCP will nerf tear ducts, they nerf everything!
Tear ducts are OP, nerf them! Buff urinary tracts!
Quote:We don't refuse to accept any arguments, we simply want you to answer questions with facts and not feelings.
This. I don't speak emotional appeal, or histrionics. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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