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Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:31:00 -
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Hi all, I am living with two toons in a C2. They can fly most T1 T2 ships up to BC and strategic cruisers. One char is Caldari/Gallente other is Minmatar, both maxed scanners.
I plan to do some chain exploration with the aim to scan for relic sites to get T3 materials and wonder what is a good ship combo besides one char flying covops doing the scanning and analysing/hacking. What would be a good PVE/PVP ship or PVP only ship to complimant the scanner. I know most PVPlers visiting us fly Proteus. However, I expect to loose ships because being new to extended wh travel beyond our wh home. Loosing Tengus and Lokis regularily would hurt .
Any recommendations and fits for alternatives T1/T2 .. or if required T3.
Thanks for your help,
Sam |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:17:00 -
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What does your C2 static into? If it's C1 or C2. Don't bother bro. C3's use tech 3. C4 = pimped RR tengus & don't try to run the mags/radars there. |
Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:47:00 -
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Evangelina Nolen wrote:What does your C2 static into? If it's C1 or C2. Don't bother bro. C3's use tech 3. C4 = pimped RR tengus & don't try to run the mags/radars there.
Thanks! Our C2 has a C3 static and HS static. So I plan to explore the C3 static and down the chain whereever it leads to. But mainly plan to run relics and data sites rather than anomalies and combat sites. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:55:00 -
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c2-c3 chains are rather meh... as C3s only got a k-space static and possibly a k-hole from 2/4/5 or maybe c6/c3. So K-holes only. Unless you are willing to bring the orca and roll a while, you might be in the wrong hole :p
Else, it's great to have a scanner able to land initial tackle, as most things hovering around are ships running PvE content/mining/jumping connections. So either a tanked covops, force recon with expanded launcher, or cloaky t3 (legion is the best initial tackle once you gimped the hell out of it with cloaky/scanning subsytems) for your scanner/scout. And a Gankship since you'll most likely got only little time to kill until reinforcements could arrive, ships like the brutix (strong dps, existant tank) are ships of choice. If you're not up to siteganking, you should pick a ship that fits a situation, and there are many to chose from :) For PvE, I dunno. If you fit a ship for both pvp and pve, you're doing it terribly wrong. You got a POS anyways without any local around, just reship! |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:47:00 -
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Don't use a raven or drake. Sure they can run the sites, but yeah wasted skill points as far as wormholes are concerned. A tengu & loki combo can shred anything in a C3 with ease.
PvP wise: Hamgu's are OP paired with a Loki. Nothing says prepare to meet your maker more than an 814 dps 100mn Hamgu paired with a 640 dps webbing loki. Add a falcon buddy, some boosts, more RR & your set. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:15:00 -
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Evangelina Nolen wrote:Don't use a raven or drake. Sure they can run the sites, but yeah wasted skill points as far as wormholes are concerned. A tengu & loki combo can shred anything in a C3 with ease.
Drake goes into Tengu directly, I assume. They are quite similiar. Raven with cruises (buff) are by far the best way to make money given the investion and especially given that you can rat aligned, something few ships can do while having that much dpsrange even with precision missiles. Also: A tengu+Loki won't run c3 sites in pvp fits. You can build them for RR, in which case they could, but also 100mn goes waste and your dps will be far from the fantasy stats posted. Lokis are normally using barrage or faction ammo, and 100mn+rage for the tengu doesn't sound really convincing either. Remember a fight I shortly had with sleipnir against devoter, battlecuisers, bombers and a tengu. Really didn't notice that tengu (dps-wise) until the rest was dead, he tried to get into orbit, lost point and I warped off. Not convinced of 100mn + HAMs.
Evangelina Nolen wrote: PvP wise: Hamgu's are OP paired with a Loki. Nothing says prepare to meet your maker more than an 814 dps 100mn Hamgu paired with a 640 dps webbing loki. Add a falcon buddy, some boosts, more RR & your set.
Ignoring the stuff you said after those first two T3s: 100mn Hamgus are still extremely vulnerable to heavy neuts, as well as a lot of other things. 100MNgu might be as close as straight out best solo-skirmish-T3 goes, but it's not that much of an I-win-button. 640dps loki sounds like it will DIAF while applying damage, 60k EHP don't take that long.
Can only suggest: focusing on the PVE-side of wormholes, caldariships with missiles are the most efficient. There is no I-Win-combo, but losing a lot of (cheap) ships will teach you more than starting right out with a tengu. If you want OP (and living in a c2-c3 allows for that) you could chose a typhoon (fleet issue) as a gankship and as compliment to your scanner/scout. Uses Missiles aswell. |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:55:00 -
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I still stand by what I said about drakes and ravens in wormholes. i.e. Wasted Skill points. Sure they can work in a suboptimal manner in C2/C3's. PVE tengus outclass them in every way. I'd even go as far to say, don't bother training anything past Caldari cruiser V and HM/HAM spec IV. |
Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:11:00 -
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Evangelina Nolen wrote:I still stand by what I said about drakes and ravens in wormholes. i.e. Wasted Skill points. Sure they can work in a suboptimal manner in C2/C3's. PVE tengus outclass them in every way. I'd even go as far to say, don't bother training anything past Caldari cruiser V and HM/HAM spec IV.
I agree that missile + shield skills for Caldari ships are a major skill point sink .. but this points I have already spent on this toon. Drakes, Cruise Ravens and Tengu fits I can handle.
I really like the Tengu but I cannot efford to loose them, yet.. I am afraid that that the PVE Tengu in whs in prime juicy target for the PVPlers and any cloacky setup does compromise its abilities, or not?
I have not re-visted Cruise Raven fits since Odyssee, any major changes to an incursion DPS fit?
From all your great comments, in the moment I think one force recon as scanner and tackler, a blaster brawler Brutix and a PVE Tengu may be a good option .. or I just get started even cheaper with a covops and cheap T1 hulls learning the ropes by dying a lot till I can efford more expensive ships. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:52:00 -
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Should check out especially the navy osprey for this sort of pvp, it's like a cruisersized hookbill \o/
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