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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:50:00 -
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Recently, I was informed that there will be a push to remove minerals from the game, and the current curries are being informed to carry 20B isk in goods through .5 systems "safely" myself, having 2 freighter pilots, I would like to avoid losses and would like to be reminded of how exactly is it that responsible pilots calculate maximum freight costs.
To my understanding, (do prove me wrong please)
.5 system requires 5 Talos or how many destroyers? .6 requires 6 Talos and how many destroyers? .7-1.0 systems, I assume Tornado, or other Alpha ships are used because concord arives within 7-3 seconds.
What are the current builds for Talos, and common .5-.6 gank squads and what could the build costs be? What are the current builds and costs for .7 and higher security system Gank fittings?
What other information could I possibly find useful in establishing maximum freight costs? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1944
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:34:00 -
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Most couriers have a 1 billion ISK limit per freighter.
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Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:33:00 -
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If you decide to carry 20B isk worth of cargo in a freighter, I hope that you are not using any trade routes, and I hope that you are using 2x lokis or 2x rapiers to get your freighter to near insta warp.
From the sound of it, whoever was telling you to carry 20B isk worth of crap in your cargohold...is looking for a nice KM and paycheck. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Grandma Squirel
Squirel Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:52:00 -
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My math says the only thing your killing with 5 Max skill Talos is a Fenrir with basically no skills. 8 Talos max skill will kill any t1 freighter without implants in 0.5. 9 Talos will kill a max skill Obelisk in 0.5 with max implants. As a rule of thumb, if you figure 8 will do it on paper, you want to bring 9-10 to account for bad RNG or lack of perfection on the countdown. Cost as fitted works out to 950mil for no safety margin, or 1.2B for a pretty sure kill. Then take that and double it to account for drop chance, and if you gank enough freighters, you should break even if they average 2.4B in cargo. Catalyst ganks are much cheaper.
If you assume your potential ganker is doing it for money, you should also consider that its pretty easy to find a freighter with more then 2.4B, so even if they could statistically break even killing you, they will probably look for a juicier target, especially given non-monetary sec status and time value considerations. |
P3po
Treasures Collectors. Mistakes Were Made.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:10:00 -
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I try to go for max 1.5B cargo and I was never ganked .... and I do high sec hauling daily and for last 2 years.
But you can get lucky and if you are not moving through Niarja and Uemon, Hek etc. you might be ok with 20B in the cargo.
Once I forgot to unload cargo and was flying 20J AFK autopilot with 25B in cargo and noone shot me .... I did not take the risk back, so had to take 15 trips back, hehehe :D |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:14:00 -
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P3po wrote:I try to go for max 1.5B cargo and I was never ganked .... and I do high sec hauling daily and for last 2 years.
But you can get lucky and if you are not moving through Niarja and Uemon, Hek etc. you might be ok with 20B in the cargo.
Once I forgot to unload cargo and was flying 20J AFK autopilot with 25B in cargo and noone shot me .... I did not take the risk back, so had to take 15 trips back, hehehe :D
I have a feeling this wasn't on the weekends during prime-time, just a hunch. |
Sabre Rolf
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:05:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Recently, I was informed that there will be a push to remove minerals from the game, and the current curries are being informed to carry 20B isk in goods through .5 systems "safely" myself, having 2 freighter pilots, I would like to avoid losses and would like to be reminded of how exactly is it that responsible pilots calculate maximum freight costs.
To my understanding, (do prove me wrong please)
.5 system requires 5 Talos or how many destroyers? .6 requires 6 Talos and how many destroyers? .7-1.0 systems, I assume Tornado, or other Alpha ships are used because concord arives within 7-3 seconds.
What are the current builds for Talos, and common .5-.6 gank squads and what could the build costs be? What are the current builds and costs for .7 and higher security system Gank fittings?
What other information could I possibly find useful in establishing maximum freight costs?
there is a thing called "killboard" that could have answered all your questions...
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18316885 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18311439 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18257311 . . .
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P3po
Treasures Collectors. Mistakes Were Made.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 10:11:00 -
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You know how it works .... "effort" :D Rather ask on forums |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
655
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Posted - 2013.06.22 13:47:00 -
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P3po wrote:I try to go for max 1.5B cargo and I was never ganked .... and I do high sec hauling daily and for last 2 years.
But you can get lucky and if you are not moving through Niarja and Uemon, Hek etc. you might be ok with 20B in the cargo.
Once I forgot to unload cargo and was flying 20J AFK autopilot with 25B in cargo and noone shot me .... I did not take the risk back, so had to take 15 trips back, hehehe :D
I like this post |
Spiky Hican
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:33:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Recently, I was informed that there will be a push to remove minerals from the game, and the current curries are being informed to carry 20B isk in goods through .5 systems "safely" myself, having 2 freighter pilots, I would like to avoid losses and would like to be reminded of how exactly is it that responsible pilots calculate maximum freight costs.
To my understanding, (do prove me wrong please)
.5 system requires 5 Talos or how many destroyers? .6 requires 6 Talos and how many destroyers? .7-1.0 systems, I assume Tornado, or other Alpha ships are used because concord arives within 7-3 seconds.
What are the current builds for Talos, and common .5-.6 gank squads and what could the build costs be? What are the current builds and costs for .7 and higher security system Gank fittings?
What other information could I possibly find useful in establishing maximum freight costs?
Where on earth did you hear there will be a push to remove minerals from the game? since just about everything in game has some minerals in there somewhere down the line. What are they going to make ships from?
and LOL at 20B, I don't know which couriers are doing that, Red frog have a strict 1Bil, Blue Frog go up to 5bil as standard, will go higher by contacting them.
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Frank Pannon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:37:00 -
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I doubt you will get an anwser here that will satisfy you.
You could check Bat County losses in Khanid space (Palas, Reteka etc), put those fits into a fitting program of your choice. Than based on test ganks / Concord response times on SISI, you can do an easy calculation about the number of ships needed. Afterwards you could verify it with friends on SISI again.
Thing is, there are also ganks on killboards that seem to make no sense ISKwise, so the human factor can not be neglected. |
P3po
Treasures Collectors. Mistakes Were Made.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:41:00 -
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Yea, from time to time you can find goons ganks or someone else killing JF just for the tears and lols :)
Also JF who is part of some hated alliance/corps are really in danger flying in high sec no matter what their cargo is.
But .... I'm not happy if I would get ganked, but on other hand without these people, the freighter industry would be dead. Freighter isn't really ship that is often lost to something else than high sec gank. |
Frank Pannon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:58:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Recently, I was informed that there will be a push to remove minerals from the game, and ...
Kara, this is very puzzling, can you explain this please?
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