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Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
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Posted - 2013.06.20 15:05:00 -
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Instead of seeing a third person view, why not shut off the hud abruptly (like your mind and your ships connection have been severed), and move into a first person view as open your eyes for one last time to see space surround you as you take your last breath (maybe be able to look around for a second or two to see the ship that killed you, or the fleet battle around you)? Then you fade to black as you die. Then maybe some sequence like the jump gate as your mind is pulled into another body? Then the hud turns on, and your back in station. whole thing could last maybe 10 seconds, but still be immersive as ****. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:52:00 -
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If the screen "ices over" when my eyeballs freeze solid, then yes. |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:15:00 -
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Freighdee Katt wrote:If the screen "ices over" when my eyeballs freeze solid, then yes.
Technically this probably wouldn't happen THAT fast in reality ;) but it would be a cool effect none the less. Would also convey the cold silent harshness of space. |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:57:00 -
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Shameless self bump. I know its a small feature, which is why I like it. It could be done by somebody in an afternoon :) |
Vesan Terakol
Almost Deliberate
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:24:00 -
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Technically, you're dead before the pod ruptures. by the time your corpse is exposed to the emptiness of space, the scanner ha done its work, and the body has been euthanized.
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Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:20:00 -
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Vesan Terakol wrote:Technically, you're dead before the pod ruptures. by the time your corpse is exposed to the emptiness of space, the scanner ha done its work, and the body has been euthanized.
That's kinda boring. I like the quiet reflection, and impact of seeing things through your dying/dead characters eyes, even for a moment, would have a large impact on how you as a player feel when you die. It would actually make you feel like you were dead, which would make being brought back to life after death feel much more satisfying. Making a player feel this is important, because with a feeling of true invincibility and immortality, a player will be more keen on taking risks, knowing they will be resurrected. Taking away the fear of death is something that would lead to more risk taking in game, which is something everyone wants, although there is always the fear of bankruptcy hehe :) |
FoxFire Ayderan
85
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:21:00 -
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At the very least we should see a briefly flailing body, rather than just going right to the frozen popsicle view.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
220
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:52:00 -
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What you are actually seeing is the last bit of telemetry from your camera drone prior to the link severing and a new one establishing itself in your hanger. You died and your consciousness was transferred to your new body at the moment the pod was breached. The camera tracks you because you were the central core if your old ship. Tiericide is tiers by another name. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
469
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:23:00 -
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Indeed. Let's not try and everything in EVE just to make it flashy, please. Some of us like having a game with some substance and validity to it. I know a lot of you people are all "**** the lore, **** everything, make it flashy because nobody ******* cares", but no. Looking around? It's space. You're already frozen. Flailing? Sure, now that the first wave of "let me turn this off, it's a waste of time" has died down, let's start a new wave of "let me turn this off, it wastes even more time" or "This is too creepy, let me shut it off." Nevermind the fact that by the time your body's exposed to space, you're already dead.
The only way the scanner can do its job is if you're already dead. Therefore, the instant a breach of the pod's hull is detected, the capsuleer's body is euthanized and the Burning Scanner goes right to work before any neural data can be lost. This also prevents the pilot from remembering their own death, which is absolutely a Very Bad ThingGäó.
I understand people don't care about anything except shooting each other and would prefer that the game be stripped down to only include that, but you don't get to retcon all the lore for trivial silly things. Sorry. |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
165
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:32:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The only way the scanner can do its job is if you're already dead. Therefore, the instant a breach of the pod's hull is detected, the capsuleer's body is euthanized and the Burning Scanner goes right to work before any neural data can be lost. This also prevents the pilot from remembering their own death, which is absolutely a Very Bad ThingGäó.
I understand people don't care about anything except shooting each other and would prefer that the game be stripped down to only include that, but you don't get to retcon all the lore for trivial silly things. Sorry. If I remember the lore correctly, the scanner doesn't need you to be dead to do its job. The reason the capsuleer is killed during transfer is to prevent "vegetable people" in that the original body didn't actually die for whatever reason, but the consciousness was stripped anyway.
The reason that "capsuleers" became the immortal ones rather than everyday humans was because you could integrate the instant death + instant mind transfer into the capsule unit, but you couldn't apply the same things walking around in station or on planets, etc.
I'm 90% sure on this one, but don't feel like looking up the lore. Save the drones! |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
469
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:54:00 -
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The Capsule and the Clone Here's the lore. It doesn't mention preventing the capsuleer from remembering their own death, but that's mentioned in Cloning.
The relevant bit is: "The moment the capsule sensors detect a breach in the capsule they activate the emergency uploading of the mind of the person in the capsule, as described above. The capsule makes an analog scan of the brain of the person. This extraordinary snapshot records the exact state of the mind, including every neuron connection between every brain cell. Because the scan must be instantaneous and efficient it brutalizes the brain in the process. In early tests, the subjects were left with permanent and severe brain damage after being scanned, a fact that is impossible to escape. But as the person is about to die in any case, this unfortunate side effect has little consequences. All modern capsules are highly tuned to when to take the snapshot GÇô if it is done too early there is a chance that the subject will not die at all, but live on in a vegetative state. And if the snapshot is taken too late there is the risk that the scan will fail or even that the revived clone will remember its own death, a very traumatic experience that can introduce severe psychological and functional problems in the clone."
Thanks to sleeper tech, DUST mercs now have an implant that allows for the transfer of consciousness even at the moment of death, with no scanner needed. This is how they handle the problem of scanners being iffy at best when outside a capsule. At least in theory, the same thing could be used for capsuleers to close the gap in our immortality that comes from leaving the pod. Even so, I would still expect that your clone would already be dead before fully exposed to space. |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
165
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:00:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:*snip* Thanks to sleeper tech, DUST mercs now have an implant that allows for the transfer of consciousness even at the moment of death, with no scanner needed. This is how they handle the problem of scanners being iffy at best when outside a capsule. At least in theory, the same thing could be used for capsuleers to close the gap in our immortality that comes from leaving the pod. Even so, I would still expect that your clone would already be dead before fully exposed to space. Yeah I wasn't including DUST mercs with my original post, was talking entirely about capsuleers. I have to agree that DUST mercs arguably have "better" tech in the immortality department, and also that I am pretty sure we are dead way before our eggs totally crack. Save the drones! |
kerradeph
THORN Syndicate Black Legion.
25
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:36:00 -
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ExAstra wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:*snip* Thanks to sleeper tech, DUST mercs now have an implant that allows for the transfer of consciousness even at the moment of death, with no scanner needed. This is how they handle the problem of scanners being iffy at best when outside a capsule. At least in theory, the same thing could be used for capsuleers to close the gap in our immortality that comes from leaving the pod. Even so, I would still expect that your clone would already be dead before fully exposed to space. Yeah I wasn't including DUST mercs with my original post, was talking entirely about capsuleers. I have to agree that DUST mercs arguably have "better" tech in the immortality department, and also that I am pretty sure we are dead way before our eggs totally crack. also in the lore, the implants that allow dust mercs to do that takes out a relatively significant part of their brain. fully integrated mercs lose a large part of the non critical parts of their brain to accommodate the implant. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.06.22 11:00:00 -
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Hmmmm. I wonder what functions they lose. Maybe it wouldn't be so useful for capsuleers after all. |
FoxFire Ayderan
86
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:20:00 -
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What DUST Mercs are now using the technology that I thought I had exclusive access to!
Bah! I knew it would get around eventually.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
221
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Posted - 2013.06.22 22:20:00 -
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It's not exactly the same tech, but its similar capsule tech is jovian in origin, dust tech is sleeper based who incidentally are rumoured to be the high tech ancestors of the jovians. So there you have it, them sleepers were highly advanced folk, sadly now dead or living as permanent digital consciousnesses into their virtual reality worlds. That's why harvesting sleeper implants is genocidal.
Tiericide is tiers by another name. |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:00:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Looking around? It's space. You're already frozen.
You don't freeze instantly... look up how space works man. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+happens+to+your+body+in+space
Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Flailing? Sure, now that the first wave of "let me turn this off, it's a waste of time" has died down, let's start a new wave of "let me turn this off, it wastes even more time" or "This is too creepy, let me shut it off." Nevermind the fact that by the time your body's exposed to space, you're already dead.
I don't like the flailing idea. The whole point of the OP was it would be first person anyway, letting you live like an actual human seconds before you die.
Alvatore DiMarco wrote: The only way the scanner can do its job is if you're already dead. Therefore, the instant a breach of the pod's hull is detected, the capsuleer's body is euthanized and the Burning Scanner goes right to work before any neural data can be lost. This also prevents the pilot from remembering their own death, which is absolutely a Very Bad ThingGäó.
I understand people don't care about anything except shooting each other and would prefer that the game be stripped down to only include that, but you don't get to retcon all the lore for trivial silly things. Sorry
This is silly. not implementing new features because of defined "lore" is a terrible excuse to not basically raise immersion, or just make the game better in general. Its a game, it needs to change and grow, and sometimes those changes will conflict with the lore as it is defined now. Its best to just get over it, because regardless of my idea or not, its going to continue to happen, and lore will continue to change with it. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:39:00 -
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hmm havent read every post, but wouldnt u jost explode in the vacuum because of the gases and fluids in your body? |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:56:00 -
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I'm not apposed to the idea that the OP describes, but just saying.....
If your pod is pulverized by a flipping great missile, or mulitple lazer bursts, or discoed to death by an array of smartbombs....
I hardly think it's going to fly violently apart, leaving you floating unharmed in space and what remains of your pod-goo, giving you a few seconds to contemplate the infinite'ness of the universe and to give the finger to the ship that just podded you, before you quietly die.
You will probably already be pink mist and goo vapor.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:57:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:hmm havent read every post, but wouldnt u jost explode in the vacuum because of the gases and fluids in your body?
Read my previous post. This is myth about space is complete bullshit lol |
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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
25
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:55:00 -
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Having not died, I do not know the view. Yet it would be illogical to see one's own body from the perception point of the ships camera. So, thumbs up on spot-ing that logical fallacy. [Lt. Cmdr. Data]: "Perhaps. Perhaps not, sir." [Capt. Picard]: "That's hardly a scientific observation, Commander. "[Data]: "Captain, the most elementary and valuable statement in science, the beginning of wisdom, is, 'I do not know'. I do not know what that is, sir." |
supernova ranger
EVE University Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:56:00 -
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I'd just like something similar to a cut scene where you see your character wake up to replace the loading and rendering between pod to hanger.
If you haven't died yet, go shoot someones POS in nullsec to get a crash course in it... |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
9
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:06:00 -
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I'm so glad we have another AFK cloaking thread to bury threads like mine with ideas that could actually be implemented relatively easily. Kudos fellow capsuleers. Feed those trolls and bad idea threads. |
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