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embrel
BamBam Inc.
51
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If you nerf highsec income by 50% you are not going to see a 50% price increase for things sold in highsec. If you nerf highsec income by 50% you are not likely to see any price increase at all since demand and supply won't change.
Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
668
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:46:00 -
[1442] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If you nerf highsec income by 50% you are not going to see a 50% price increase for things sold in highsec. If you nerf highsec income by 50% you are not likely to see any price increase at all since demand and supply won't change. It's hard to keep up the demand if players decide that the ISK they get it's not worth paying 15 euros a month. (Albeit some may come back for 9.15 euros a month... ) Oh so we're back to "if I don't get my way I will quit/if ccp nerfs highsec everyone will quit." I call your terrible argument and raise you a " a good product sells itself and the free advertising from the unique events that happen in said good product will more than make up for the minority of hysterical morons who leave."
THat point cannot be verified tho because we don't know what part of the retention rate goes where in game. It would be really sad but maybe a lot of people join because it's easy to make ISK. How many people come from other "easy" MMO and try EvE because it's "harder" and then see they are "succesful" in the harder game?
It's a sad point of view I have to admit. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1054
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:47:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:La Nariz wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Or they might stay at the same price until the seller tires of it not selling and starts to drop the price daily trying to get something for their find. People are not going to spend more when they have less.
If you nerf highsec income by 50% you are not going to see a 50% price increase for things sold in highsec. Selling and sold have a subtle difference. You can sell t1 damage controls for 50 million each. But how many at that price are actually sold? So now we've shifted from "if highsec gets any nerf players will unsub" to "if highsec gets any nerf the markets will die." Highsec certainly to change its story when it starts losing. I didn't shift the conversation. Maybe CCP is listening to you. Continue ignoring what everyone is saying and posting middle school rage induced hyperbole. At the end of the day our money speaks louder than your rants. And that's all that matters. And if it weren't the case you'd spend less energy saying nothing and more delighting in the impending nerfs. Of course those nerfs aren't impending which is why u mad bro.
So you can't produce a coherent argument against nerfing highsec and you have decided to throw a:
~~~~o7o7o7o7m8m8m8m8~~~~ Highsec Tantrum ~~~~m8m8m8m8o7o7o7o7~~~~
Before you do that. I suggest you form a coherent argument and make some claims. So we can have some sort of discussion here without you having to continue lieing through your teeth. However hilarious meltdowns are okay as well. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:48:00 -
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5s were moved to low sec to influence players leaving high sec. It didn't work. 4s are being suggested to move to lows and that won't work either. Oh sure you have asberging circle talkers pretending its about the economy. But its not. Its another failed attempt at trying to force people to do what they do not wish to. And while they pay to do it no less.
Like ive stated before move every mission but level 1s to low or null. See if anything changes.
Youll end up with a dead highsec and a dying nullsec. I say dying because there will be a few who fly around doing their thing waiting for the server to announce its closure. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16388
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:48:00 -
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embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.
Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. No, they weren't. Stop lying. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
668
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.
WOuldn't price of LP stores item go up sicne the supply would be lower because of all the so numerous null player retiring thier now useless high-sec alt since they could make thier ISK in null? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1054
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:52:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. It didn't work. Fours are being suggested to move to lows and that won't work either. Oh sure you have asberging circle talkers pretending its about the economy. Bt its not. It another failed attempt at trying to force people to do what they do not wish to. And while they pay to do it no less.
Like ive stated before move every mission but level 1s to low or null. See if anything changes.
Youll end up with a dead highsec and a dying nullsec. I say dying because there will be a few who fly around doing their thing waiting for the server to announce its closure.
Deny the information presented to you all you like, that does not make the facts untrue. Unlike your statement L5s were moved due to fixing a bug. Misinformation may have been your problem but, Tippia has informed you of this before so you are lieing again. Bug fixing does not constitute a nerf to highsec and L5s were never intended to be run there. Although from your prior posting I can see why you think that is what happened. So I suggest you stop denying facts that have been presented to you before. Since we are far more likely to take what you say seriously if you stop lieing through your teeth.
~~~~Highsec is Safe~~~~ This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1784
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:53:00 -
[1448] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If you nerf highsec income by 50% you are not going to see a 50% price increase for things sold in highsec. If you nerf highsec income by 50% you are not likely to see any price increase at all since demand and supply won't change. It's hard to keep up the demand if players decide that the ISK they get it's not worth paying 15 euros a month. (Albeit some may come back for 9.15 euros a month... ) Oh so we're back to "if I don't get my way I will quit/if ccp nerfs highsec everyone will quit." I call your terrible argument and raise you a " a good product sells itself and the free advertising from the unique events that happen in said good product will more than make up for the minority of hysterical morons who leave."
EVE didn't survived its early years by being a good product, but by being the right product. It's a small but meaningful difference, because "good product" is a subjective definition, whereas "being the right product" is objectively hit or miss.
If EVE was as you meant it to be, maybe would be "good" in your terms, but would miss to sell itself to everyone who's not buying it because of your gameplay style.
And, honestly, hiseccers are a larger minority than anyone else, and CCP would regret their departure sooner than later. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:53:00 -
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You have to understand the activity ecology. Paying subscribers will abstain if the ecology forces them to go and live under the tyranny of douchebags.
The third tangent is that EVE isn't free and as such they have a choice in whether what iss offered is worth their money. Speaking for myself i'm not going to remain subbed to eve to do level 3s in a marauder. And no I won't be dodging gate camps in null either. Others may. |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
317
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:56:00 -
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I'm not convinced the game needs to be balanced like an algebra equation.
When I read things like high-sec players are "entitled pubbies" "who can be replaced," if they disagree with having their games nerfed, I just shake my head in disbelief. Of course they're going to disagree. You're arguing for their games to be made more difficult. Hell, I'm disagreeing and it hasn't even happened. Our playerbase isn't some extremity that can be severed and allowed to regenerate. The playerbase "is" EVE and the guys who do not share your playstyle are just as important as anyone. Some players contribute more to pgc than others, but we're all cogs in the machine.
The metrics of favored playstyle, favored sec, and whether high-sec mission runners are "really" null alts who can't make enough isk in null should be able to be determined by CCP internally. At the end of the day, this is a game - a product - and its success depends on customer loyalty to some degree. If a huge percentage of the playerbase prefers risk-averse gameplay, altering the isk tables is pointless. You will not make risk-averse people become risk takers by starving them.
And if the goal isn't improved pgc via player fluidity and dispersal, just a "no, YOU make too much" ad nauseum tennis match, well, what's the point of that? Balance for the sake of balance? Really?
In the absence of official CCP data that can be skewed to support both sides of the argument, we're left with our own unique experiences to use as a point of reference. I've been reading this topic for days now. Ill be approaching my 5th year anniversary in game and I've certainly never made 100m/hr. running lvl4 missions. (What am I doing wrong?) I "have" devoted 12+ hrs to mission running before and earned 3-400m in a day but that's about it? Some of the numbers tossed around as fact on earlier pages defy belief. All I know is that when I'm busy and can't play often, I depend on the quick 50 mill I'm going to get from running "The Blockade" or "Worlds Collide" in an hr. or so to maintain my accounts.
I just think there's too much algebra in this discussion. It doesn't take into account the players, their needs, and a litany of variables that affect player income beside high-sec loot drops. It also doesn't address other ways the same effect could be achieved without altering mission rewards and loot tables. The recent "invincible npc" change is a great example. Nearly every npc now requires an extra volley of missiles or a couple extra shots, adding time to completion and reducing profits. And nobody had to ensure that BS wrecks drop nothing but metal scraps for that to occur.
YK "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day." |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16388
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:57:00 -
[1451] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:You have to understand the activity ecology. Paying subscribers will abstain if the ecology forces them to go and live under the tyranny of douchebags. GǪwhich no-one has ever suggested that it will or that it should. So that's just you going after those poor grassy guys again.
Quote:Speaking for myself i'm not going to remain subbed to eve to do level 3s in a marauder. And no I won't be dodging gate camps in null either. Others may. So what? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4361
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:03:00 -
[1452] - Quote
Yonis Kador wrote:I'm not convinced the game needs to be balanced like an algebra equation.
When I read things like high-sec players are "entitled pubbies" "who can be replaced," if they disagree with having their games nerfed, I just shake my head in disbelief. Of course they're going to disagree. You're arguing for their games to be made more difficult. Hell, I'm disagreeing and it hasn't even happened. Our playerbase isn't some extremity that can be severed and allowed to regenerate. The playerbase "is" EVE and the guys who do not share your playstyle are just as important as anyone. Some players contribute more to pgc than others, but we're all cogs in the machine.
The metrics of favored playstyle, favored sec, and whether high-sec mission runners are "really" null alts who can't make enough isk in null should be able to be determined by CCP internally. At the end of the day, this is a game - a product - and its success depends on customer loyalty to some degree. If a huge percentage of the playerbase prefers risk-averse gameplay, altering the isk tables is pointless. You will not make risk-averse people become risk takers by starving them.
And if the goal isn't improved pgc via player fluidity and dispersal, just a "no, YOU make too much" ad nauseum tennis match, well, what's the point of that? Balance for the sake of balance? Really?
In the absence of official CCP data that can be skewed to support both sides of the argument, we're left with our own unique experiences to use as a point of reference. I've been reading this topic for days now. Ill be approaching my 5th year anniversary in game and I've certainly never made 100m/hr. running lvl4 missions. (What am I doing wrong?) I "have" devoted 12+ hrs to mission running before and earned 3-400m in a day but that's about it? Some of the numbers tossed around as fact on earlier pages defy belief. All I know is that when I'm busy and can't play often, I depend on the quick 50 mill I'm going to get from running "The Blockade" or "Worlds Collide" in an hr. or so to maintain my accounts.
I just think there's too much algebra in this discussion. It doesn't take into account the players, their needs, and a litany of variables that affect player income beside high-sec loot drops. It also doesn't address other ways the same effect could be achieved without altering mission rewards and loot tables. The recent "invincible npc" change is a great example. Nearly every npc now requires an extra volley of missiles or a couple extra shots, adding time to completion and reducing profits. And nobody had to ensure that BS wrecks drop nothing but metal scraps for that to occur. Yeah in the end highsec income needs a boost because of things There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:03:00 -
[1453] - Quote
Yonis Kador wrote:I'm not convinced the game needs to be balanced like an algebra equation.
When I read things like high-sec players are "entitled pubbies" "who can be replaced," if they disagree with having their games nerfed, I just shake my head in disbelief. Of course they're going to disagree. You're arguing for their games to be made more difficult. Hell, I'm disagreeing and it hasn't even happened. Our playerbase isn't some extremity that can be severed and allowed to regenerate. The playerbase "is" EVE and the guys who do not share your playstyle are just as important as anyone. Some players contribute more to pgc than others, but we're all cogs in the machine.
The metrics of favored playstyle, favored sec, and whether high-sec mission runners are "really" null alts who can't make enough isk in null should be able to be determined by CCP internally. At the end of the day, this is a game - a product - and its success depends on customer loyalty to some degree. If a huge percentage of the playerbase prefers risk-averse gameplay, altering the isk tables is pointless. You will not make risk-averse people become risk takers by starving them.
And if the goal isn't improved pgc via player fluidity and dispersal, just a "no, YOU make too much" ad nauseum tennis match, well, what's the point of that? Balance for the sake of balance? Really?
In the absence of official CCP data that can be skewed to support both sides of the argument, we're left with our own unique experiences to use as a point of reference. I've been reading this topic for days now. Ill be approaching my 5th year anniversary in game and I've certainly never made 100m/hr. running lvl4 missions. (What am I doing wrong?) I "have" devoted 12+ hrs to mission running before and earned 3-400m in a day but that's about it? Some of the numbers tossed around as fact on earlier pages defy belief. All I know is that when I'm busy and can't play often, I depend on the quick 50 mill I'm going to get from running "The Blockade" or "Worlds Collide" in an hr. or so to maintain my accounts.
I just think there's too much algebra in this discussion. It doesn't take into account the players, their needs, and a litany of variables that affect player income beside high-sec loot drops. It also doesn't address other ways the same effect could be achieved without altering mission rewards and loot tables. The recent "invincible npc" change is a great example. Nearly every npc now requires an extra volley of missiles or a couple extra shots, adding time to completion and reducing profits. And nobody had to ensure that BS wrecks drop nothing but metal scraps for that to occur.
YK
Quoting a well thought out post.
What you are doing wrong is not playing like a low life basement dweller that analyzes everything in EVE to the NTH degree and then stops "playing" the missions in favor of treating them like a job.
In more simplistic terms you aren't a sexless, lifeless, neckbeard. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:09:00 -
[1454] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yonis Kador wrote:I'm not convinced the game needs to be balanced like an algebra equation.
When I read things like high-sec players are "entitled pubbies" "who can be replaced," if they disagree with having their games nerfed, I just shake my head in disbelief. Of course they're going to disagree. You're arguing for their games to be made more difficult. Hell, I'm disagreeing and it hasn't even happened. Our playerbase isn't some extremity that can be severed and allowed to regenerate. The playerbase "is" EVE and the guys who do not share your playstyle are just as important as anyone. Some players contribute more to pgc than others, but we're all cogs in the machine.
The metrics of favored playstyle, favored sec, and whether high-sec mission runners are "really" null alts who can't make enough isk in null should be able to be determined by CCP internally. At the end of the day, this is a game - a product - and its success depends on customer loyalty to some degree. If a huge percentage of the playerbase prefers risk-averse gameplay, altering the isk tables is pointless. You will not make risk-averse people become risk takers by starving them.
And if the goal isn't improved pgc via player fluidity and dispersal, just a "no, YOU make too much" ad nauseum tennis match, well, what's the point of that? Balance for the sake of balance? Really?
In the absence of official CCP data that can be skewed to support both sides of the argument, we're left with our own unique experiences to use as a point of reference. I've been reading this topic for days now. Ill be approaching my 5th year anniversary in game and I've certainly never made 100m/hr. running lvl4 missions. (What am I doing wrong?) I "have" devoted 12+ hrs to mission running before and earned 3-400m in a day but that's about it? Some of the numbers tossed around as fact on earlier pages defy belief. All I know is that when I'm busy and can't play often, I depend on the quick 50 mill I'm going to get from running "The Blockade" or "Worlds Collide" in an hr. or so to maintain my accounts.
I just think there's too much algebra in this discussion. It doesn't take into account the players, their needs, and a litany of variables that affect player income beside high-sec loot drops. It also doesn't address other ways the same effect could be achieved without altering mission rewards and loot tables. The recent "invincible npc" change is a great example. Nearly every npc now requires an extra volley of missiles or a couple extra shots, adding time to completion and reducing profits. And nobody had to ensure that BS wrecks drop nothing but metal scraps for that to occur.
YK Quoting a well thought out post. What you are doing wrong is not playing like a low life basement dweller that analyzes everything in EVE to the NTH degree and then stops "playing" the missions in favor of treating them like a job. In more simplistic terms you aren't a sexless, lifeless, neckbeard.
So now the people arguing against you are sexless, lifeless, neckbeards. Go on... :allears:
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:20:00 -
[1455] - Quote
Tippia wrote:embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power. Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. No, they weren't. Stop lying.
Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1062
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:21:00 -
[1456] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Tippia wrote:embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power. Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. No, they weren't. Stop lying. Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.
Tippia is telling the truth mr npc alt. I demand you produce scientific peer-reviewed journal articles showing Tippia is lieing otherwise your argument is invalid.
~~~~ Highsec is Safe ~~~~ This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4449
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:22:00 -
[1457] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Tippia wrote:embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power. Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. No, they weren't. Stop lying. Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen. Tippia is telling the truth mr npc alt. Maybe we can get a gm to declare to us the truth and then lock the thread There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
baltec1
Bat Country
7918
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:22:00 -
[1458] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Tippia wrote:embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power. Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. No, they weren't. Stop lying. Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.
Level 5 agents were never in high sec so yea, he was lying. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4449
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:23:00 -
[1459] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Tippia wrote:embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power. Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. No, they weren't. Stop lying. Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen. Level 5 agents were never in high sec so yea, he was lying. Oh my There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1062
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:24:00 -
[1460] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: Maybe we can get a gm to declare to us the truth and then lock the thread
What a very good idea.
I present these words of reflection about the truth for the GMs:
Psalm 15:1-2 O LORD, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill? He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart;
Zechariah 8:16 These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;
Ephesians 4:25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.
1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 3:18 Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4450
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:25:00 -
[1461] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: Maybe we can get a gm to declare to us the truth and then lock the thread
What a very good idea. It's so simple when you can find people who know exactly what is going on There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:26:00 -
[1462] - Quote
Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.
It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.
Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that too much bounties are earned in hisec. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:29:00 -
[1463] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Tippia wrote:embrel wrote:Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P. GǪbut neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power. Caliph Muhammed wrote:5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null. No, they weren't. Stop lying. Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen. Tippia is telling the truth mr npc alt.
You guys are as predictable as the rising sun. Any thread you disagree with you try and derail by attempting to shift the argument to something inane then when that doesnGÇÖt work you continue to troll until the thread becomes locked. Tippa was shown to be lying by Matrix earlier which didnGÇÖt hurt his/her credibility with me because she already had zero.
I realize this is the internet GÇ£BONJOURGÇ¥ but because tipia or yourself type the words it still wonGÇÖt make it true or factual.
Flame on master trolls.
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:32:00 -
[1464] - Quote
The ole "third tangent activity ecology" fallacy. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2751
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:33:00 -
[1465] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.
It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.
Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that too much bounties are earned in hisec.
Why did you edit this post? before you said "Slanting isn't lying" . I surmise that you edited this post because it demonstrated that you KNEW high sec lvl 5s were a bug rather than an intentional attempt by ccp to make people move.
You prove Tippia's point, you are lying and it says much about a person when they need to lie in an internet discussion where nothing can be gain or lost. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:35:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:In my opnion, security of system doesn't determine level of risk, only the ruleset. The value of the ship you're flying in relation to the wealth you have determines the level of risk. WHy are people in null not flying pimpmobile worth 5 bill while people in high do so? Hell they even push to 60 bill. Could it be because the lower risk in high sec make it so some people think it's worth a shot?
No, it's because they nerfed the supercaps that were used to farm PvE in there.
Back when I was in a FW corp, I had 2 corp mates flying faction geared marauders for PvP. But after a while they stopped. Not because of the risk (any serious corp has ship replacement programs, ours covered fitted capitals too) but because those ships were not much effective and they were easy to jam and hard to fit withint "fleet doctrines".
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:40:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.
It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.
Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that hisec is the reason. Why did you edit this post? before you said "Slanting isn't lying" . I surmise that you edited this post because it demonstrated that you KNEW high sec lvl 5s were a bug rather than an intentional attempt by ccp to make people move. You prove Tippia's point, you are lying and it says much about a person when they need to lie in an internet discussion where nothing can be gain or lost.
I said slanting? Im sure I said stating. I edit posts all the time. Grammatical errors, adding of ideas, further elaborating. Tell me jenn, why do you and Tippia expend so much energy trying to convince the community i'm a liar?
Do you feel they incapable of detecting deception?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4450
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:41:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.
It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.
Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that too much bounties are earned in hisec. Why did you edit this post? before you said "Slanting isn't lying" . I surmise that you edited this post because it demonstrated that you KNEW high sec lvl 5s were a bug rather than an intentional attempt by ccp to make people move. You prove Tippia's point, you are lying and it says much about a person when they need to lie in an internet discussion where nothing can be gain or lost. Highsec incomes are at stake here :colbert: There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2752
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:50:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote: I said slanting? Im sure I said stating. I edit posts all the time. Grammatical errors, adding of ideas, further elaborating. Tell me jenn, why do you and Tippia expend so much energy trying to convince the community i'm a liar?
I'm not trying to convince the community of anything. I'm telling YOU I see your lies. What grown man needs to lie on an internet forum?
Quote: Do you feel they incapable of detecting deception?
Or is it that you feel i'm able to convey an idea that conflicts with your genda better than most?
You must be daft, because you haven't conveyed any worthwhile ideas.
I just get tired of stupid people trying to project themselves on others (such as your idea of out "agenda") My agenda is truth, even when it doesn't suit my personal needs (like for instance, I'm going to cry when my mach and cynabal get nerfed, but I also know it will make for a more balanced game). People like you can't separate their personal needs from the greater good, hi sec is full of you guys.
I deal with dishonest people all day long so i know your type when I see them (i'd pay real money to take a peak at your wrap sheet). Like you, they never seem to be able to admit that they lie...ironic to see a liar lie to themselves lol.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4320
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Considering the majority of missions are run in hi sec, any flat nerf impacts high sec a lot more than the other secs.
No it does not. Nerfs outside of high sec affect the game more because people making isk out of high sec tend to use their money for ships that blow up.
Yeah, those making isk out of high sec are the only noble beings ~entitled~ at making lots of ISK because only they will buy ships that will blow up.
It can't happen that people will grind ISK to PvP in the week end, or gankers who want to get ISK to step up their game or guys who want to get ISK to start buying stock and become traders. Hi sec is evidenty full of 50B golems muppets who grind ISK to grind more ISK.
Jenn aSide wrote: Fixing a bug is never a nerf, period. It's the fault of the players who exploited the bug that they lost out, not ccp. CCPs only fault is allowing the situation to go on for 3 years.
Some new lessons in hypocrisy. When CCP nerfed the blatant boomerang exploit these forums were a lake of tears by the same guys (not you) who are here blessing everyone with their "unbiased" wisdom.
That was seen as an unfair nerf (it lasted a long time too), but a mechanic that benefitted the shoddy, leper hi seccers is just an exploit and damn them for believing a 3 years mechanic was actually meant to stay as is.
I mean, I am one of those who wanted L5 moved to low sec and happy it happened. But the amount of hypocrisy in this forum is pathetic and needs to be pointed out. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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