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Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
28
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:00:00 -
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From a business perspective Dust doesn't offer me any meaning. I can't get rich hiring mercenaries to take over planets, people in dust can't get rich working for me either.
As a person who is interested in crafting ships I'd like to get into moon mining, but that seems off limits unless you're the Mittani who effectively used propaganda to enslave thousands of people to fight wars for him. I'd like to be able to have planetary mining become equal to moon mining, and then give solo players an opportunity to hire mercs to fight, and when the battle is over I get my ore.
The way planetary interaction is done right now is meaningless to me, I am not going to train those skills for the next 30 days in order to make 15m a day, 15m a day is chump change in my mind, make it 100 million a day and now we're talking. When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
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Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
28
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:20:00 -
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Another point about PI, if I spend the time to train the skills thats 30 days, to me that is 1 plex or 550 million isk worth of training time. My potential income is 150 million isk per month estimate, it takes 4 months of PI to recover the 550 million isk of training time, this does not include the cost of setting up PI installations, and my time, which is more valuable.
My time can be spent running an incursion as a logistics pilot for 100m an hour, or mining in 0.0 for 50 million an hour. When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
32
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:21:00 -
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I would have to say yes to the OP's question regarding some things being EvE and some things being Dust.
New technology born from both sides could be switched to the other platform for the creation of new ships and modules that would not be possible without the other.
Capsuleers don't really understand what the EvE-Dust Hybrid is really about. Most just view it as gaming an a hassle.
But to the Master the EvE-Dust Hybrid is something more. The Hybrid is the linking of two totally separate gaming platforms into one environment.
The hybrid technology developed because of the EvE-Dust connection will eventually flow into the lives of other gamers and other computer systems.
EvE - Dust is on the edge of the unexplored technological realm which is awesome to be part of.
Just think sitting there many years from now hearing about young kids talking about Hybrid technology that will eventually allow Droid and I-Pad users to connect to PS4 Station and game on chat with you about EvE or Dust while they game on their I-pad or Droid while you engage in your environment on your PS4 where the rest of the corporation sends in reinforcements via the PC platform.
Who's to say that CCP won't eventually develop an I-Pad or Droid App where their manufacturers can bring up the production queue on their Droid setting up and maintaining manufacturing supply and demand while the rest of the corp mines on the PC Platform and you engage in missions on the surface of some god awful backwards planet that your CEO sent you to investigate because you missed a corp meeting. |
Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:28:00 -
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I do want more of a link between the two. But it has to be done in a way that enriches both games. So take it slow and do the meshing of the two games well and I don't see a problem with it. Glad the dev's aren't rushing things too fast too soon. |
Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
28
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:12:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:I would have to say yes to the OP's question regarding some things being EvE and some things being Dust.
New technology born from both sides could be switched to the other platform for the creation of new ships and modules that would not be possible without the other.
Capsuleers don't really understand what the EvE-Dust Hybrid is really about. Most just view it as gaming an a hassle.
But to the Master the EvE-Dust Hybrid is something more. The Hybrid is the linking of two totally separate gaming platforms into one environment.
The hybrid technology developed because of the EvE-Dust connection will eventually flow into the lives of other gamers and other computer systems.
EvE - Dust is on the edge of the unexplored technological realm which is awesome to be part of.
Just think sitting there many years from now hearing about young kids talking about Hybrid technology that will eventually allow Droid and I-Pad users to connect to PS4 Station and game on chat with you about EvE or Dust while they game on their I-pad or Droid while you engage in your environment on your PS4 where the rest of the corporation sends in reinforcements via the PC platform.
Who's to say that CCP won't eventually develop an I-Pad or Droid App where their manufacturers can bring up the production queue on their Droid setting up and maintaining manufacturing supply and demand while the rest of the corp mines on the PC Platform and you engage in missions on the surface of some god awful backwards planet that your CEO sent you to investigate because you missed a corp meeting.
Hopefully I can earn enough isk to pay for a wife When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2515
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:10:00 -
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I say flip the f****** switch. Open it up and let it balance out now. DUST is not that fun as an FPS... the reviews suck, the driving sucks... there's a lot of problems. Merging any two economies is going to be traumatic and there are going to be winners and losers no matter what, but better to do it now when 4-6k people are playing at any given time as opposed to 50k. If DUST gets better and becomes a good FPS people will play and when the numbers go up there's going to be a lot more trauma economically. If DUST doesn't go anywhere and fails... well then who cares anyway?
Just do it already.
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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:23:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Miilla wrote:What's dust?
I never noticed any impact on my Eve game My question is would you want impact? That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions. Impact means both sides can benefit, and both sides can get screwed. Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from. Yes definitely. CCP need to make Dust into something meaningful. Eve will survive without Dust just fine although it could certainly add to the Eve experience. But Dust on the other hand is dead in the water unless it can have some kind of meaningful interaction within the Eve Universe. |
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
124
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:26:00 -
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I see so much negative comments in this thread. This smells of much butt hurt.
First of all there is this vision of CCP: To do everything imaginable in the EVE universe. Without that vision EVE would be dead already. Because it keeps CCP alive.
And there is the learning curve thing. Everyone has to master it, or fail. CCP is no exception. If they want to expand on the EVE universe they have to try something.
Incarna failed, and nobody can say what will be the future of DUST. But for EVE getting better and stronger, we need CCP to be healthy and strong, and they need to be more than "the company that once made EVE". |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:55:00 -
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I would like to see a link that actually matters if there was a reason to believe that dust was here to stay. But since it's a game on a console that has reached the end of it's lifetime, please don't make Eve rely on Dust too much as it might just die out at some point. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
719
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:35:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I say flip the f****** switch. Open it up and let it balance out now. DUST is not that fun as an FPS... the reviews suck, the driving sucks... there's a lot of problems. Merging any two economies is going to be traumatic and there are going to be winners and losers no matter what, but better to do it now when 4-6k people are playing at any given time as opposed to 50k. If DUST gets better and becomes a good FPS people will play and when the numbers go up there's going to be a lot more trauma economically. If DUST doesn't go anywhere and fails... well then who cares anyway?
Just do it already.
remember this or this or this
so according to your logic, the initial poor reviews and low player numbers should have meant eve got shut down 8+ years ago. remember that. |
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RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Tribal Band
71
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:42:00 -
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To me, I was stoked when DUST came out but then it kinda went limp (for a lack of better words). Really if all I gain from DUST are PI stats then theres no use for it. Now if we can use them in other aspects like fighter flying or something like taking over a system. Then I would be rip roaring with support. Then there would be a use for them. Or maybe if I wanted to anchor a POS but had to have DUST players take it for me first...... |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
354
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:44:00 -
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Thebriwan wrote: Incarna failed, and nobody can say what will be the future of DUST.
With Destiny and Planetside 2 being released on the PS4 it is probably safe to assume what happens to Dust after the PS4 launches. Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
Alara IonStorm
5154
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:45:00 -
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I would like more interaction with Dust.
Since like 10 ISK is about how much an average family makes a year CCP allow me to hire and arm a twenty 10000 man divisions of soldiers for like 20 million ISK and drop them on a planet where Dust Bunnies are having their little Call of Duty Match ups.
Swarm the damn place. If I am going to take over a planet from the bridge of my 1.5 kilometer long 15 million ton Battleship it sure wouldn't look like a day in Blood Gulch, It would look like Space WWII ...
I was honestly hopping we would send whole armies and check their progress like once a day. Resupply them with food, ammo, guns and reinforcements and make broad tactical plans. I was not expecting CoD in Space. /Sigh. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
336
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:38:00 -
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RAIN Arthie wrote:To me, I was stoked when DUST came out but then it kinda went limp (for a lack of better words). Really if all I gain from DUST are PI stats then theres no use for it. Now if we can use them in other aspects like fighter flying or something like taking over a system. Then I would be rip roaring with support. Then there would be a use for them. Or maybe if I wanted to anchor a POS but had to have DUST players take it for me first...... I do believe the reason that so far they only mess with some PI benefits is because they're afraid of what EVE players would say if Dust actually had any effect. "Oh you mean we need to talk to filthy console peasants to do stuff? How 'bout no?" That's the general feel I get from the forums. They WANT it to go further, but I think they're afraid of what would happen. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
336
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:40:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I would like more interaction with Dust. Since like 10 ISK is about how much an average family makes a year CCP allow me to hire and arm a twenty 10000 man divisions of soldiers for like 20 million ISK and drop them on a planet where Dust Bunnies are having their little Call of Duty Match ups. Swarm the damn place. If I am going to take over a planet from the bridge of my 1.5 kilometer long 15 million ton Battleship it sure wouldn't look like a day in Blood Gulch, It would look like Space WWII ... I was honestly hopping we would send whole armies and check their progress like once a day. Resupply them with food, ammo, guns and reinforcements and make broad tactical plans. I was not expecting CoD in Space. /Sigh. That actually sounds awesome. Give Dust players a job, they have a Planetside 2 sized battle (2000 man battles on HUGE terrain) and you have to supply them with resources or else they would be in disadvantage. Food gives them extra health, ammo is ammo, guns are guns and reinforcements are respawns basically. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
945
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:19:00 -
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Miilla wrote:What's dust?
I never noticed any impact on my Eve game
I have, I have seen 300 blue background people "docked" in a station that spout weird nonsense all day in local , Like "NEED MIC PEEPAL" "STFU ***** THAT WAS MY KILL" "JOIN MAH CORP , BEST CORP" "NO! MINE IS DIE *****" "WHY CANT I MAKE MY BOOBS BIGGER??? " LOL N00b USE other ARMOR with blue rim" blah blah blah ...
been a while since I kept local open, I just minimize it ... Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Rynn Vendran
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:45:00 -
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I tried DUST for the first time last week and while it certainly has the EVE aesthetic down, playing it just felt "wrong" somehow. Granted, most online FPS are relatively the same, but even with all EVE-centricites at play, it was pretty underwhelming.
Much rather get my paws on EVE VR. When, CCP? When?
Hey now, hey now now, sing this corrosion to me... |
Souchek Lehman
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
23
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:13:00 -
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I do yes. Excited for them to expand the planetary conquest to other regions. Would also like more WIS. 10k and Shinjiketo are recruiting-See thread below. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=229061&find=unread |
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:22:00 -
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The markets should be connected...and I think it would be fun if you had the choice of either destroying a Titan (like no), or hijack it for yourself if your mercs win 2 out of 3 matches on that titan. |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
198
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:51:00 -
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i love ccp is like let us add this features hue while ignoring core gameplay issues. ccp stop putting all of these damn "lel board titan lel board POS" while the game is still playing at the core as crap ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
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Sunshyn LaBlond
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.22 22:28:00 -
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I personally want Dust to work with Eve. It's long been the dream of 'simulation' fans to have dedicated sims of their favorite type of weapon, but integrated seamlessly into a larger persistent world. Games that try to blend (for example) flight sims with naval combat with FPS, usually suck at all of them. While dedicated games are usually very good. Dust/Eve is trying to accomplish this. Eventually adding atmospheric aircraft or dedicated vehicle combat would be the next step.
I never liked FPS for the same reason I love Eve- FPS fights are pointless, one off grudgematches with no context and nothing lost or gained. All FPS are like this. But Dust can change that paradigm, making FPS into a deeper experience. Having real-loss mechanics is already changing FPS. All the CoD type FPS are trying to be more like RPG games with character building.
But the issue is whether an FPS can survive the long evolution that makes Eve work. I've been playing Eve for 3 of it's 10 years and it's a vastly different, and much much improved game since I started. But I came in expecting a slow progression, set backs, and patience thru the low times. I dunno if the FPS market is going to demonstrate that level of patience and looking toward a game's potential rather than just the latest gun pack. |
UddWilliam
Udd Corp
5
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:25:00 -
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I haven't played DUST since I don't have PS3, but from what I know, the idea that combine this two different game as one world is too idealistic. That's not a problem about "WANT", but a problem about "FEASIBILITY".
1. EVE players and FPS players are totally different kinds of people and have 2 different communities. Without a convenient platform to communicate with each other (You want a PS3 player to type words? ), there's no meaning to let them play together and this will limit the connection in a small group of people who are willing to use team speak like platform. And to make this system practical it even needs more systems to make it meaningful and smooth (for example an in-game system that DUST player can announce their battle worldwide and EVE player can get this and support them, and even get paid from DUST players). That's a huge project and I don't think CCP can handle it.
2.EVE is a slow game while FPS is rapid game. Can you imagine before you can shoot somebody, you have to wait 30mins or even longer to find someone in EVE to fly to this system and standby on the orbital. And as a EVE player if you don't have an enemy on the orbital then you could do nothing but to wait for signals and bang in a dull way.
3. Economics Connection : Economics impact in EVE can be dangerous and makes DUST difficult to ensure DUST players have a smooth growing curve, especially for new players.
4. Orbital strike : As you can see, it doesn't make lowsec a fierce battleground (compared to factional warfare). And CCP should have known it's better to use "offline PVP interaction" to make this happen, see a hot mobile game "Clash of Clans" and you will know that. EVE can't catch up with the high pace of DUST since FPS battle take place more often and irragularly. For example EVE should focus on territory conquere, but not realtime fight with DUST. And if the orbital is conquered by an EVE corp, then the related DUST corp can use orbital strike. But you don't need an EVE player stand by for this. NPC will finish the job since the orbital is already yours.
5. If EVE's impact can infiltrate to whole DUST gameplay, it will ruin DUST since those who build their advantage in EVE will be more likely to win in DUST. This will disrupt the balance of FPS battle. And a FPS without balance environment is unbearable. If DUST want to keep connection with EVE, please limit this impact in a specific mode (like territory conqurer mode etc.)
6. And the last but not the least, Launch a FPS on PS3 while trying to make it rely on EVE is a bad choice, though I think CCP may has his reason to do this ( for money and so on ). |
Domer Pyle
Northern Flemish Bastards Inc Yulai Federation
74
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:06:00 -
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i swear i've read this thread before...
and, no. i don't particularly care about dust. neat concept, but poorly executed, imo.
pc masterrace. "Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron |
Atlas Durham
Questionable Ethics Committee
1
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Posted - 2013.06.25 15:14:00 -
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The project itself is damn bold, to say the least. Greenlighting the development of DUST required a tremendous amount of courage, and for that I very much respect CCP; it's in everyoneGÇÖs best interest to at least be supportive by acknowledging that much.
Directed at CCP:
That having been said, and regardless as to your aspirations, there is a very real, very limited window in which to capitalize on any given audience (or audiences in this scenario). While everyone's opinions are valid and should of course be treated as such, it's impossible to prevent alienating a portion of subscribers; that is as much a fact as it is inevitable. And so, as but one man's opinion, the best course of action at this stage is simply that - action.
This may be stating the obvious, but it's absolutely crucial that you establish an action plan and follow-through to the best of your ability - now! You wish to do right by the community which is both commendable and appreciated, but I would urge you to trust your judgement and do what you do best -- then worry about repercussions and damage control after the fact. Because while pissing off a percentage of the community sucks, an ultimate failure (allowing DUST to stagnate) would be much, much more detrimental.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
134
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Posted - 2013.06.25 15:24:00 -
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I want a deeper connection with female dust players. I think itd be cool if the two games were more deeply connected too. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2188
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Posted - 2013.06.25 15:32:00 -
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If my interaction with dust mites depends on them calling for orbital strikes, then no.
If I can indiscriminately obliterate the console peasants, then yes. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1079
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Posted - 2013.06.25 15:50:00 -
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Given that controlling 4 districts on a planet give huge, huge mfg bonuses to affiliated POS's orbiting that planet, yeah, Eve players do care about Dust. Just wait until CCP rolls this out to null sec, and includes player owned stations.
Now, it looks like Dust is in a bad bad way, but they will have a guaranteed sub base of Eve null sec cartel players, whose job is to protect the districts for mfg purposes. |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
16
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:41:00 -
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It's done.
Not worth complaining about now. |
Winter Archipelago
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
38
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:47:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote: If people don't want proper integration, there will never be something to do with Dust players that is worthwhile.
Never say never (never again)! In all seriousness, it could be doable, but it won't be easy. It's a matter of time and resources. DUST is still new, though, so I'll reserve judgement on it until it has been out for a while (a year or two, at the very least). Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:50:00 -
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I have more enjoyment in station spinning than playing that poor excuse of an FPS |
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