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Faltharion Estidal
Vengance Inc. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:49:00 -
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Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15077
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:54:00 -
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Because Scotty prefers to keep the docking queue in order and really hates cleaning up scrap metal on the undocking ramp. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
366
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:55:00 -
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Faltharion Estidal wrote:Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?
Because in a world where people never really die, people don't generally go batty when a known murderer (in this case just a clone defacer) comes into system. Not many people are clamoring for justice and for the accused ot be hunted down and podded, not to mention it won't actually kiil the guy, he just goes to a new pod.
That being said, if he shows up in a ship CONCORD will fire on him to destroy his ship and prevent any chance of him defacing others properties. Once in a pod, he is not a threat to other peoples interest and is allowed to go about his business. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2197
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:06:00 -
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Because the nullsec zealot cartel guys insisted it be that way!
Amidoinitrite? Where's that tinfoil guy that can't spell Piranha?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:12:00 -
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The same reason why a Minmatar militia fighter is allowed to dock up in Amarr. Ie it doesn't make any sense. |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
30
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:15:00 -
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Faltharion Estidal wrote:Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?
To whom do these criminals belong? And why are you asking if we are after them? |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
347
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:17:00 -
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Here's yer quick lore answer:
Normal humans are quite rightly afraid of capsuleers, so station managers aren't going to risk their position/lives/lives of their families by pissing off the wrong capsuleer. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
148
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:18:00 -
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Faltharion Estidal wrote:Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?
Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not.
+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
408
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:21:00 -
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I personally think that if you are being chased by the faction police, you should not be able to dock. Should be a specific faction timer for using services in that empire space (stargates are fine as they want you to leave anyways).
Of course, I've reshipped in trade hubs while seeing the systemwide spam calling my name, but still... I shouldn't be able to. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15077
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:22:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status. So go out and make it so. It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with itGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
102
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:25:00 -
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Yeah, it is strange.
To be fair though, most stations in highsec are owned by private parties, not CONCORD. Maybe that explains why criminals can dock in highsec. Private companies etc. just don't care enough about CONCORD's rules to keep the criminals (and their money) out. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
51
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Shizuken wrote:+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status. So go out and make it so. It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with itGǪ
Peace through strength. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1734
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:29:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Normal humans are quite rightly afraid of capsuleers, so station managers aren't going to risk their position/lives/lives of their families by pissing off the wrong capsuleer.
This. Capsuleers enjoy a number of frightening perks for their job:
- Diplomatic and/or Legal immunity. Local police and militaries have no control over Capsuleers beside brute force. We go where we want, we do what we want, and the only people who can slap us on the wrist are CONCORD.
- Priority service. Both at Stargates and Stations, capsuleers are served at the front of the line, every time. The (invisible) NPC traffic that is sure to exist simply have to wait for us. In fact, we don't even have to follow traffic laws... we just fly wherever we want.
- Extreme wealth. A few thousand ISK is more than the combined lifetime earnings of an average middle class two person family.
- Insanity. If you think about it in the context of a fictional world, some of the things we go around doing and saying simply make no damn sense. We're unpredictable, fickle, quick to anger, and entirely immature.
- Big spaceships with guns. Obvious.
- Immortality. Obvious.
I wouldn't want to say no to the worst of our kind (-10.0 outlaws) if I was just a normal docking manager either. Who knows what he might do to me?! Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
347
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:38:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:This. Capsuleers enjoy a number of frightening perks for their job:
- Diplomatic and/or Legal immunity. Local police and militaries have no control over Capsuleers beside brute force. We go where we want, we do what we want, and the only people who can slap us on the wrist are CONCORD.
- Priority service. Both at Stargates and Stations, capsuleers are served at the front of the line, every time. The (invisible) NPC traffic that is sure to exist simply have to wait for us. In fact, we don't even have to follow traffic laws... we just fly wherever we want.
- Extreme wealth. A few thousand ISK is more than the combined lifetime earnings of an average middle class two person family.
- Insanity. If you think about it in the context of a fictional world, some of the things we go around doing and saying simply make no damn sense. We're unpredictable, fickle, quick to anger, and entirely immature.
- Big spaceships with guns. Obvious.
- Immortality. Obvious.
I wouldn't want to say no to the worst of our kind (-10.0 outlaws) if I was just a normal docking manager either. Who knows what he might do to me?!
Exactly. Read some of the EVE chronicles that talk about capsuleers. We threaten entire planetary governments for PI, perform fatal lab experiments on humans just to make hardwires, and run fight to the death gladiator matches in our cargo holds.
The only thing Scotty cares about is making sure our gun barrels have cooled down before we dock up. Otherwise, we might decide Scotty's family looks perfect for janitorial duty onboard Suicide Catalyst #4331 Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
785
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:56:00 -
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Criminals have to restock ammo in the market too silly. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
937
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:03:00 -
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CompleteFailure wrote:Tippia wrote:Shizuken wrote:+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status. So go out and make it so. It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with itGǪ Peace through strength. no, peace through liberal use of nukes. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2907
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:05:00 -
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They can dock because they can.
Now everybody get back to the game! |
Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:06:00 -
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Cause it's too much of a hassle for CCP to make a fitting concept.
It would be very difficult for a player to recover it's criminal status if the npc factions would reject anything.
At least x3 is realistic in that concept. |
stoicfaux
2835
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:13:00 -
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Yes, but the Mortals control the cloning vats. If a Capsuleer losses access the vats, they can die for realsies.
And if you read the novels, CONCORD and the Factions are either completely powerless against capsuleers or near omniscient and omnipotent Machiavellian trickster gods depending on writer's fiat.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1076
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:38:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Because the nullsec zealot cartel guys insisted it be that way!
Amidoinitrite? Where's that tinfoil guy that can't spell Piranha?
Why don't you look up the age of the char that DOES have the proper spelling of the name? If you stopped running off making snide comments, you might learn something. |
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smokess
Vengeful Swan
55
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:43:00 -
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Because security status is simply a reflection of your status with Concord, and the empires/corporations are not directly controlled by them. Concord simply exist to punish those who commit crimes and adjust their status accordingly, not pre-empt wrong doers and force the empires to close station access to them.
Not sure they even have the power to tell the empires not to allow certain individuals to dock at station as far as the backstory/lore goes. I'm sure someone will confirm/correct me. |
Faltharion Estidal
Vengance Inc. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:19:00 -
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i was expecting to be flamed, but i guess i was rong guess eve comunity tends to surprise you Well my question was more out of curiosity and logical stand point, but i get where many of your questions and anwsers go. From my point of view, i rather have a more logical system. But what do i know lol. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
149
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Shizuken wrote:+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status. So go out and make it so. It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with itGǪ
That is not exactly what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines of faction governments actually, you know, governing. I am not about to get up and exploit some clunky agression mechanics and suicide some ships just to make a point. In my EvE universe it does not work that way. I actually don't think we ought to be wantonly sacrificing imaginary crew.
Sometimes you sound like a union rep for CCP's beleaguered devs. You should change your signature line to "Tippia's Law: Working as Intended," for sometimes I think your real philosophy is that the only good development is no development, and that you are happy to have CCP devs watch 3D Pipes all day long.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15081
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:31:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:That is not exactly what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines of faction governments actually, you know, governing. We're not subject to the government, only to CONCORD.
Quote:I think your real philosophy is that the only good development is no development Maybe you should start paying attention, then, rather than just make things up to fill out the gaps in your knowledge.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Prince Sanguine
Hull Breach Inc. Double Tap.
25
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:08:00 -
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An alt I have is -10 in a trade hub and killing people is a lot easier and less scary than I thought it would be at that standing. Hell, sometimes I attack ships just because I'm bored. space rich! U w0t mate?! fight me IRL.! do you even lift?! |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
659
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:46:00 -
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Tiber Ibis wrote:The same reason why a Minmatar militia fighter is allowed to dock up in Amarr. Ie it doesn't make any sense.
This.
Times a googleplex. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Anti-social Tendencies
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:29:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Faltharion Estidal wrote:Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right? Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not. +1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.
When your sec status drops enough, your life gets very complicated. Sure you can dock, but if you are a bit slow to warp you find that the faction police have srammed you and killed you. Very inconvenient.
"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3723
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:42:00 -
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Anti-social Tendencies wrote:Shizuken wrote:Faltharion Estidal wrote:Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right? Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not. +1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status. When your sec status drops enough, your life gets very complicated. Sure you can dock, but if you are a bit slow to warp you find that the faction police have srammed you and killed you. Very inconvenient. I thought they web first, then point you? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
TEST Defence, Please Ignore |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
24
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:52:00 -
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The security status drawback of suicide ganking does seem to lose its punch when it doesn't stop you from docking up and doing it again. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4294
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:30:00 -
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Concord doesn't own most of the stations, and money from criminals is just a valuable as money from upstanding citizens.
Business is business. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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