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Roadkill Rhino
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:57:00 -
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"Eve is a game driven by consequences for actions."
Yet the suicide gankers have no consequence. Being destroyed yet refunded for your losses is not a consequence of any meaning.
Let's look at it this way, people are able to fill freighters up with battleships and modules, pick an area, go there and gank the hell out of the miners there, all they need is a ganking character and character to give it the ship. That people can do this just goes to show that EVE is a game of consequences, but only if you're a miner.
Why do threads like this get so big? Because half the people posting are gankers who don't want their insurance payout taken away. They preach lines like "EVE is hardcore" "You're not safe anywhere, always at risk" But that's not true, there is a group of people who take no risk atall, and that is the gankers, there is no risk in what they do, they break even or sometimes profit, they risk nothing to do a suicide gank. They will die, they know this, they also know that insurance will pay the bill.
Insurance payout for suicide ganking is a really stupid feature. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:58:00 -
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They lose their modules, clone, and self respect.
:3
Suicide ganking is part of the game, it's as much the innocent player's fault he died as it is the aggressors'. |
Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:58:00 -
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And im taking full advantage of this presently All Carebears Must Die. |
Roadkill Rhino
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:01:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:They lose their modules, clone, and self respect.
:3
Suicide ganking is part of the game, it's as much pf the innocent player's fault he died as it is the aggressors'.
Their modules are worth almost nothing. They don't lose their clone, and if they've nothing better to do than ruin random peoples day then they probably had no self respect worth having anyway.
Nobody is asking for suicide ganking to be removed. It can still occur if they fix the insurance abuse, but perhaps they'll choose their targets a little more wisely from now on. Oh the sheer horror of it, no longer being able to gank any random you choose just for the hell of it. Well, you could, but you could also send random people a free 50 mill every hour but somehow I don't think that's going to happen. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:16:00 -
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Roadkill Rhino wrote:[ Their modules are worth almost nothing. They don't lose their clone, and if they've nothing better to do than ruin random peoples day then they probably had no self respect worth having anyway.
Modules need sufficient alpha to break mining ships in 1-2 salvos, the jumpclones cost money, or the clone replacements do. The last one was a joke.
Quote:Nobody is asking for suicide ganking to be removed. It can still occur if they fix the insurance abuse, but perhaps they'll choose their targets a little more wisely from now on. Oh the sheer horror of it, no longer being able to gank any random you choose just for the hell of it. Well, you could, but you could also send random people a free 50 mill every hour but somehow I don't think that's going to happen.
I've played four months.
I've been suicide ganked twice.
Both times the assailant lost more than I did, and I easily replaced all loses with virtually no setback. I had no insurance, because what insurance does is protect your ship which you can easily cover yourself, for a cost. Not to mention it expires. Most gankers don't use insurance to begin with, since it's superfluous, and many belong to an alliance that can screw the pain away to begin with.
Removing insurance from suicide gankers is pointless to the extreme |
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:17:00 -
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This game is a place for cyber bullies and dicks to come and play in an environment that praises their actions as nearly heroic.
While yes... an insurance company that is out to make money would probably find ways to shortchange on insurance policies... CCP and the CSM are run by individuals that have no interest in changing this... so your only hope is to actually vote in the next CSM for a strong high sec player, so just maybe your voice will be laughed at on the CSM table, instead of on the forums.
*EDIT* Calling goons to come flame this post. |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:18:00 -
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Roadkill Rhino wrote:"Eve is a game driven by consequences for actions."
Yet the suicide gankers have no consequence.
The gankers lose sec status. That is a very significant and limiting consequence, if you don't think so, try ratting yourself up from -10 then come back and talk.
The consequence for the carebear carelessly flying a gankworthy ship is that they get ganked. The consequence for the ganker is that they now need to raise their sec status or start paying for an alt.
Oh look, consequences are driving the game |
Roadkill Rhino
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:22:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:This game is a place for cyber bullies and dicks to come and play in an environment that praises their actions as nearly heroic.
While yes... an insurance company that is out to make money would probably find ways to shortchange on insurance policies... CCP and the CSM are run by individuals that have no interest in changing this... so your only hope is to actually vote in the next CSM for a strong high sec player, so just maybe your voice will be laughed at on the CSM table, instead of on the forums.
*EDIT* Calling goons to come flame this post.
I have nothing against suicide ganking, it's a part of the game, nowhere is safe and never will be safe. But the system is very messed up as far as risk goes, those doing the ganking are playing a no risk game. What other careers in EVE allow you to kill a 100 million+ isk ship and their pod, with almost 100% success rate, risk free, cost free. Suicide ganking is easy enough as it is, it doesn't need to be free too.
Last I heard the CSM might not be around much longer. Good thing too. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
The Lazarus Initiative
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:23:00 -
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no consequences if you are in a tech 1 boat and you follow the rules. ie dont gank so you cant get into highsec.
once you are in a billion isk ship that cannot be insured things change. i can lose plat insured ships tech I ships all day and it does not matter but i cant lose plat insured tech II ships all day or tears may form in the corners of my eyes
And when you are webbed and scrammed by 50 people in a gate camp and you have a full set of pirate implants/faction fitted tengu/5 days of training to lose. Then the game has consequences.
Not if you are in an Arti mael 1400 or a thrasher :)
my work here is done |
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
19
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:26:00 -
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:no consequences if you are in a tech 1 boat and you follow the rules. ie dont gank so you cant get into highsec.
once you are in a billion isk ship that cannot be insured things change. i can lose plat insured ships tech I ships all day and it does not matter but i cant lose plat insured tech II ships all day or tears may form in the corners of my eyes
And when you are webbed and scrammed by 50 people in a gate camp and you have a full set of pirate implants/faction fitted tengu/5 days of training to lose. Then the game has consequences.
Not if you are in an Arti mael 1400 or a thrasher :)
my work here is done
What was your work? To destroy the English language? |
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Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:28:00 -
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: full set of pirate implants/faction fitted tengu/5 days of training to lose. Then the game has consequences.
If you're in a dangerous area with those, you're begging to be killed. |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:28:00 -
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Roadkill Rhino wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:This game is a place for cyber bullies and dicks to come and play in an environment that praises their actions as nearly heroic.
While yes... an insurance company that is out to make money would probably find ways to shortchange on insurance policies... CCP and the CSM are run by individuals that have no interest in changing this... so your only hope is to actually vote in the next CSM for a strong high sec player, so just maybe your voice will be laughed at on the CSM table, instead of on the forums.
*EDIT* Calling goons to come flame this post. I have nothing against suicide ganking, it's a part of the game, nowhere is safe and never will be safe. But the system is very messed up as far as risk goes, those doing the ganking are playing a no risk game. What other careers in EVE allow you to kill a 100 million+ isk ship and their pod, with almost 100% success rate, risk free, cost free. Suicide ganking is easy enough as it is, it doesn't need to be free too. Last I heard the CSM might not be around much longer. Good thing too.
Post with your main. |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:33:00 -
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Maybe not my main, but how is this? Check my killboard stats to see how how ridiculously easy suicide ganking is.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Suddenly+Boom&page=1#kills
Also http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Shocking+Awe
Over 22 billion isk in damages on the second one alone, i made profit on this ordeal, and there was no risk to me. I also ruined a lot of peoples day. How is that for a messed up game mechanic? |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
The Lazarus Initiative
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:38:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:no consequences if you are in a tech 1 boat and you follow the rules. ie dont gank so you cant get into highsec.
once you are in a billion isk ship that cannot be insured things change. i can lose plat insured ships tech I ships all day and it does not matter but i cant lose plat insured tech II ships all day or tears may form in the corners of my eyes
And when you are webbed and scrammed by 50 people in a gate camp and you have a full set of pirate implants/faction fitted tengu/5 days of training to lose. Then the game has consequences.
Not if you are in an Arti mael 1400 or a thrasher :)
my work here is done What was your work? To destroy the English language?
What was your work to show the World what a tard you are |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:38:00 -
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Roadkill Rhino wrote:"Eve is a game driven by consequences for actions."
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Consequences?
lol
What consequence, it is a Pay to Win game, the only consquence is the loser has to buy more PLEX...
Corp wealth? Anyone can buy that with $$ Corp power? Same, just need cash Lost a ship? So what, it is not like you have to go mining to replace it
May as well be instanced PvP for all that losing a ship or battle matters.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:49:00 -
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I did suicide ganking for 3 months a while back.
I stopped for 2 reasons: 1) got board 2) got broke, cause insurance doesn't even cover half of the loss.
Suicide ganking is not risk free. It is riskier than missioning. |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:52:00 -
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I never said suicide ganking wasn't easy. I also never said that it wasn't risky. What I did say was that it has consequences. You have made an alt to do your ganking, a definite consequence seeing as how you now have to spend more isk or RL money to facilitate the playstyle. If you were doing it with your main you would have to grind sec status to stay in high sec and to get the most out of your ganks. |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:53:00 -
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ok let me tell you something first hand were using arty ruptures to suicide hulks those are about 6 million in price + 100k modules that is so little isk to me that i don't even bother insuring that some even do it in thrashers -> even less isk used
removing the payout would never effect me so
sure go ahead remove it I don't care |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1121
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:55:00 -
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the dread pilot weaselior laughs at your misery |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1121
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:56:00 -
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we will continue murdering you as long as it's entertaining and your shirt-rending temper tantrum is basically about as entertaining as it gets |
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Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:06:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:we will continue murdering you as long as it's entertaining and your shirt-rending temper tantrum is basically about as entertaining as it gets
You just take such pleasure form being pure evil, you have to respect that!
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:06:00 -
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This is such a simple idea I can't believe nobody has thought of it before.
OP, which of the Hulks ganked in Minmatar space this weekend is your main? |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:25:00 -
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Berendas wrote:I never said suicide ganking wasn't easy. I also never said that it wasn't risky. What I did say was that it has consequences. You have made an alt to do your ganking, a definite consequence seeing as how you now have to spend more isk or RL money to facilitate the playstyle. If you were doing it with your main you would have to grind sec status to stay in high sec and to get the most out of your ganks. Also, I do have to say that is a hilarious name for a suicide alt.
Thanks, just sitting there, mining away, chilling, suddenly boom! In more ways than one.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:29:00 -
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Less QQ more pew pew.
Quit crying, do something about it, or GTFO. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2011.10.23 19:08:00 -
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Berendas wrote:I never said suicide ganking wasn't easy. I also never said that it wasn't risky. What I did say was that it has consequences. You have made an alt to do your ganking, a definite consequence seeing as how you now have to spend more isk or RL money to facilitate the playstyle. If you were doing it with your main you would have to grind sec status to stay in high sec and to get the most out of your ganks. Also, I do have to say that is a hilarious name for a suicide alt.
Costs ISK? I think you missed the 22b isk bit. Can you say plex? 22b - 400m = 21.6b
Sounds like profit to me, not cost. |
Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 19:13:00 -
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Consequences of their action is that they are buying ships off carebears at a price.
Learn to think. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.23 19:24:00 -
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If CCP does something stupid like removing insurance for concorded ships Comrade Mittens will just up the alliance reimbursement for our losses. |
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:01:00 -
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Insurance does not pay out the full cost of a hull, nor does it pay for the modules used in a gank. Yes they use a ton of cheap ships to kill craploads of miners who would rather outfit their ships for maximum greed rather than survival. No tanks, no drones, no support. But once those stores of isk are used up then they have to go make isk again to fund their ganky fun time. Instead of complaining about gankers, how bout you complain to CCP about putting a little bit more PG and CPU on those mining ships so you can fit a bit of a tank on there hmm? |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
193
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:05:00 -
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hold on let me stop you right here.
see ganking is more than just lulz, some people that gank take a real risk that stuff is going to drop. sure they may get some isk back but if they are ganking a hauler and all the expensive stuff goes boom then what? they lose money. There is risk to ganking. also loss of sec status is huge. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:08:00 -
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When carebear industry corps complain about people being able to drop their POS towers from alliance and take them down with 0 risk of the tower or anything in or on it being destroyed then they will be in a position to talk about people facing consequences for their actions. Until that point the entire argument is hugely hypocritical. |
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