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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1521
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:11:00 -
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Rhes wrote:If CCP does something stupid like removing insurance for concorded ships Comrade Mittens will just up the alliance reimbursement for our losses.
I actually kind of want to remove insurance now, simply because the whining miners can only think of the world in mercantilist terms; they're trying to put an isk-value on suffering.
When I drop a completely uninsured Brutix on a Hulk after a ~massive ganking nerf~ like removing insurance, they will cry twice as much, as they will be unable to even conceive of how such an event took place. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
914
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:13:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Rhes wrote:If CCP does something stupid like removing insurance for concorded ships Comrade Mittens will just up the alliance reimbursement for our losses. I actually kind of want to remove insurance now, simply because the whining miners can only think of the world in mercantilist terms; they're trying to put an isk-value on suffering. When I drop a completely uninsured Brutix on a Hulk after a ~massive ganking nerf~ like removing insurance, they will cry twice as much, as they will be unable to even conceive of how such an event took place. I've said much the same in the past. OH my god the tears.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1521
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:15:00 -
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Also, should there be another hulkageddon, it will be amazing to watch the miners dying to gank-teams in disposable thrashers, then grasping at straws for their next nerf. |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
48
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:19:00 -
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I want to get insurance like that in RL and wreck it driving it into an ATM machine. It's WIN WIN !
Also, all truly profitable ventures should be moved to lowsec and 0.0 so no risk no gain. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
914
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:20:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Also, should there be another hulkageddon, it will be amazing to watch the miners dying to gank-teams in disposable thrashers, then grasping at straws for their next nerf. It's already arrived in features and ideas. Someone has suggested special treatment for the gankee. Basically they get a payment from the ganker for losing their ship. So they can buy another with modules and all that.
You know it's only fair.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
914
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:23:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:I want to get insurance like that in RL and wreck it driving it into an ATM machine. It's WIN WIN !
Also, all truly profitable ventures should be moved to lowsec and 0.0 so no risk no gain. The second page obligatory link with a game mechanic and RL insurance. Well played sir.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
631
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:24:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Rhes wrote:If CCP does something stupid like removing insurance for concorded ships Comrade Mittens will just up the alliance reimbursement for our losses. I actually kind of want to remove insurance now, simply because the whining miners can only think of the world in mercantilist terms; they're trying to put an isk-value on suffering. When I drop a completely uninsured Brutix on a Hulk after a ~massive ganking nerf~ like removing insurance, they will cry twice as much, as they will be unable to even conceive of how such an event took place. You're kidding me right?
You sit behind billions of tech moon income and make that claim.
So how about we nerf EVERY tech moon in game Mittens? You know, LEVEL the playing field somewhat.
Isn't communism your thing? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
47
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:29:00 -
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Mag's wrote:The Mittani wrote:Also, should there be another hulkageddon, it will be amazing to watch the miners dying to gank-teams in disposable thrashers, then grasping at straws for their next nerf. It's already arrived in features and ideas. Someone has suggested special treatment for the gankee. Basically they get a payment from the ganker for losing their ship. So they can buy another with modules and all that. You know it's only fair. Someone should suggest (again) that the terrible gankers should be locked up in jail for 24h for each crime they have committed. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
924
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:34:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Mag's wrote:...... Someone has suggested special treatment for the gankee. Basically they get a payment from the ganker for losing their ship. So they can buy another with modules and all that.
You know it's only fair.
Someone should suggest (again) that the terrible gankers should be locked up in jail for 24h for each crime they have committed. That's a damn fine idea. What about also taking a set amount of SP away from the ganker? Sounds fair and balanced too.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
1
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:37:00 -
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Fille Balle wrote:Berendas wrote:I never said suicide ganking wasn't easy. I also never said that it wasn't risky. What I did say was that it has consequences. You have made an alt to do your ganking, a definite consequence seeing as how you now have to spend more isk or RL money to facilitate the playstyle. If you were doing it with your main you would have to grind sec status to stay in high sec and to get the most out of your ganks. Also, I do have to say that is a hilarious name for a suicide alt. Costs ISK? I think you missed the 22b isk bit. Can you say plex? 22b - 400m = 21.6b Sounds like profit to me, not cost.
That isn't guaranteed though. That is the fault of the people carrying shiny things in paper-thin ships. |
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Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:40:00 -
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Berendas wrote:Fille Balle wrote:Berendas wrote:I never said suicide ganking wasn't easy. I also never said that it wasn't risky. What I did say was that it has consequences. You have made an alt to do your ganking, a definite consequence seeing as how you now have to spend more isk or RL money to facilitate the playstyle. If you were doing it with your main you would have to grind sec status to stay in high sec and to get the most out of your ganks. Also, I do have to say that is a hilarious name for a suicide alt. Costs ISK? I think you missed the 22b isk bit. Can you say plex? 22b - 400m = 21.6b Sounds like profit to me, not cost. That isn't guaranteed though. That is the fault of the people carrying shiny things in paper-thin ships.
Yup, if the gankee is dumb enough to carry expensive stuff in their ships, faction mods, plex (lol) they deserve everything they get, and the ganker does too. |
Lord Wiggin
Furian Necromongers
8
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:48:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Rhes wrote:If CCP does something stupid like removing insurance for concorded ships Comrade Mittens will just up the alliance reimbursement for our losses. I actually kind of want to remove insurance now, simply because the whining miners can only think of the world in mercantilist terms; they're trying to put an isk-value on suffering. When I drop a completely uninsured Brutix on a Hulk after a ~massive ganking nerf~ like removing insurance, they will cry twice as much, as they will be unable to even conceive of how such an event took place.
Why would they lose insurance, the entire conversation is about gankers...not gankees...
I'm all for a Concord fine system that punishes kills on high security status players and perhaps even rewards bonus insurance on negative security status kills. Wouldn't stop me from ganking, but certainly would add some real life excitement to a bad person running around highsec.
And this being the sandbox, isn't that really the way it should be?
No one should be safe. But an illegal act in highsec should not be rewarded, unless the person was bad to begin with. (Let the Goon rage commence) |
Roadkill Rhino
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:56:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Rhes wrote:If CCP does something stupid like removing insurance for concorded ships Comrade Mittens will just up the alliance reimbursement for our losses. I actually kind of want to remove insurance now, simply because the whining miners can only think of the world in mercantilist terms; they're trying to put an isk-value on suffering. When I drop a completely uninsured Brutix on a Hulk after a ~massive ganking nerf~ like removing insurance, they will cry twice as much, as they will be unable to even conceive of how such an event took place.
Brutix can't kill every hulk, only the untanked ones. Good luck fitting one who fits a proper buffer tank. You'd need to bring a couple of battleship and without insurance suddenly that seems a lot less of a good idea. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
48
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:58:00 -
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Roadkill Rhino wrote:The Mittani wrote:Rhes wrote:If CCP does something stupid like removing insurance for concorded ships Comrade Mittens will just up the alliance reimbursement for our losses. I actually kind of want to remove insurance now, simply because the whining miners can only think of the world in mercantilist terms; they're trying to put an isk-value on suffering. When I drop a completely uninsured Brutix on a Hulk after a ~massive ganking nerf~ like removing insurance, they will cry twice as much, as they will be unable to even conceive of how such an event took place. Brutix can't kill every hulk, only the untanked ones. Good luck fitting one who fits a proper buffer tank. Good thing you can use a second Brutix for those or one of the new tier 3 BCs Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Roadkill Rhino
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:59:00 -
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Princess Cellestia wrote:Insurance does not pay out the full cost of a hull, nor does it pay for the modules used in a gank. Yes they use a ton of cheap ships to kill craploads of miners who would rather outfit their ships for maximum greed rather than survival. No tanks, no drones, no support. But once those stores of isk are used up then they have to go make isk again to fund their ganky fun time. Instead of complaining about gankers, how bout you complain to CCP about putting a little bit more PG and CPU on those mining ships so you can fit a bit of a tank on there hmm?
Tanking an exhumer only reduces the frequency of being ganked, you still get ganked. Some people just bring extra ships if they see you're buffer tanked. |
AureoLion
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
21
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:01:00 -
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Meh, bump up the mack's ehp/fitting a bit, on pair with the hulk, perhaps. thing is.. hisec mining is already dreaded. Traders can't be suicided, haulers will do only if they're stupid, industrialists won't, missioneers, with the notable exception of tengus, won't. I say, make l4 missionboats easier to suicide, to strike back balance! :rollseyes: |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
42
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:08:00 -
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Industrialists that are whining need to stop making the suicide ganking ships for cheap ;) And stop farming missions so much to make meta guns so cheap which are effective to use. Same for faction ammo. |
okst666
Not Solitude Again Chained Reactions
19
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:13:00 -
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vote me for new CSM and suicide ganking would be 10Mio SP loss per incident ! [X] < Nail here for new monitor |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:20:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:So how about we nerf EVERY tech moon in game Mittens? You know, LEVEL the playing field somewhat.
Isn't communism your thing? You realize that he's been trying to get tech rebalanced since before he was on the CSM, right?
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
632
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:29:00 -
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Rhes wrote:The Apostle wrote:So how about we nerf EVERY tech moon in game Mittens? You know, LEVEL the playing field somewhat.
Isn't communism your thing? You realize that he's been trying to get tech rebalanced since before he was on the CSM, right? Rebalanced? You mean he's made enough from it so NOW it needs to be nerfed?
What? So no-one ELSE can have it?
How egalitarian of him...
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:32:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:What? So no-one ELSE can have it?
How egalitarian of him... Hey look at you grasping for straws
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:37:00 -
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Roadkill Rhino wrote:"Eve is a game driven by consequences for actions."
Yet the suicide gankers have no consequence. Being destroyed yet refunded for your losses is not a consequence of any meaning.
Let's look at it this way, people are able to fill freighters up with battleships and modules, pick an area, go there and gank the hell out of the miners there, all they need is a ganking character and character to give it the ship. That people can do this just goes to show that EVE is a game of consequences, but only if you're a miner.
Why do threads like this get so big? Because half the people posting are gankers who don't want their insurance payout taken away. They preach lines like "EVE is hardcore" "You're not safe anywhere, always at risk" But that's not true, there is a group of people who take no risk atall, and that is the gankers, there is no risk in what they do, they break even or sometimes profit, they risk nothing to do a suicide gank. They will die, they know this, they also know that insurance will pay the bill.
Insurance payout for suicide ganking is a really stupid feature.
Good point. And the answer is when these 'el1t3 hardcore' players preach about this unforgiving, ruthless, cold, hard universe crap they really mean ruthless for everyone else but themselves. Basically, the game should be difficult and unfair for everyone and easy for them. Ganking should be easy. Gate camping should be easy. Probing missioners and carebears should be easy. Suiciding should be easy.
These players are usually the ones professing on how much they love 'tears'. And funnily enough, they usually are the ones that cry the hardest when their professions are added even the tiniest bit of risk. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
42
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:38:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Rhes wrote:The Apostle wrote:So how about we nerf EVERY tech moon in game Mittens? You know, LEVEL the playing field somewhat.
Isn't communism your thing? You realize that he's been trying to get tech rebalanced since before he was on the CSM, right? Rebalanced? You mean he's made enough from it so NOW it needs to be nerfed? What? So no-one ELSE can have it? How egalitarian of him...
You do realize goons use moon goo almost completely for pos fuel costs, sov costs, reimbursements for ship losses(better than the insurance every empire pubbie is crying over like spoiled children). Goons financing is publically avaliable, stop being silly and stuck up because you want to hoard isk to show off your epeen like a spoiled brat so that people admire you in a ******* internet spaceships game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
858
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:46:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Good point. GǪapart from the bits that were just uninformed nonsense GÇö viz. all of it. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:46:00 -
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Berendas wrote:The gankers lose sec status. That is a very significant and limiting consequence, if you don't think so, try ratting yourself up from -10 then come back and talk. The consequence for the carebear carelessly flying a gankworthy ship is that they get ganked. The consequence for the ganker is that they now need to raise their sec status or start paying for an alt. Oh look, consequences are driving the game These consequences you speak of are being easily circumvented. Any respectable PVPer should at least admit that much. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Good point. GǪapart from the bits that were just uninformed nonsense GÇö viz. all of it.
Uninformed nonsense? Care in addressing his points instead of spouting your usual high horse drivel, Tippia?
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baltec1
146
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:50:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Berendas wrote:The gankers lose sec status. That is a very significant and limiting consequence, if you don't think so, try ratting yourself up from -10 then come back and talk. The consequence for the carebear carelessly flying a gankworthy ship is that they get ganked. The consequence for the ganker is that they now need to raise their sec status or start paying for an alt. Oh look, consequences are driving the game These consequences you speak of are being easily circumvented. Any respectable PVPer should at least admit that much.
Yes, a cov ops hauler can be compleatly unstoppable in empire. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:51:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Berendas wrote:The gankers lose sec status. That is a very significant and limiting consequence, if you don't think so, try ratting yourself up from -10 then come back and talk. The consequence for the carebear carelessly flying a gankworthy ship is that they get ganked. The consequence for the ganker is that they now need to raise their sec status or start paying for an alt. Oh look, consequences are driving the game These consequences you speak of are being easily circumvented. Any respectable PVPer should at least admit that much. If you are seeing people ganking in highsec without losing sec status then you should report it as an exploit. That would be an example of circumventing the consequences. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:54:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Berendas wrote:The gankers lose sec status. That is a very significant and limiting consequence, if you don't think so, try ratting yourself up from -10 then come back and talk. The consequence for the carebear carelessly flying a gankworthy ship is that they get ganked. The consequence for the ganker is that they now need to raise their sec status or start paying for an alt. Oh look, consequences are driving the game These consequences you speak of are being easily circumvented. Any respectable PVPer should at least admit that much. If you are seeing people ganking in highsec without losing sec status then you should report it as an exploit. That would be an example of circumventing the consequences.
How about if I'm seeing -10s entering high sec and using alts to supply them with ships at SS to suicide (ie circumventing these 'consequences')? Oh right. that's super intelligent game-play. Nevermind. |
baltec1
146
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:59:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:How about if I'm seeing -10s entering high sec and using alts to supply them with ships at SS to suicide (ie circumventing these 'consequences')? Oh right. that's super intelligent game-play. Nevermind.
Nobody said -10s cant get you still, its just not as easy. |
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