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Adam Gamel
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
Where are these kill mails? I mean if your going to be an ******* and not help me out then why even post?
We killed over 600 exhumers in the caldari ice interdiction with 14 day old destroyer pilots. We have killed over 3 trillion in assets using talos pilots a few months old in freighters alone this year. You can find said kills splattered all over EVE-Kill.
That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok. |
Adam Gamel
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:28:00 -
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It's obvious no one is going to help me.
Forget I ever posted this.
I will just move on to something else. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15155
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:29:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:It's obvious no one is going to help me. Everyone has been helping you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Dewa Cinta
Funbag Industries
22
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:32:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
Where are these kill mails? I mean if your going to be an ******* and not help me out then why even post?
We killed over 600 exhumers in the caldari ice interdiction with 14 day old destroyer pilots. We have killed over 3 trillion in assets using talos pilots a few months old in freighters alone this year. You can find said kills splattered all over EVE-Kill. That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok.
Talos kills the freighter, destroyers kill exhumers.
Just go join RVB or brave newbies. |
Adam Gamel
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:It's obvious no one is going to help me. Everyone has been helping you.
I don't feel helped but instead verbally abused. I'm done. You quoting me and instigating me further is also not help.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6971
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:35:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:
That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok.
A ships a ship.
We have day old newbees tackling carriers in rifters. |
Adam Gamel
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:37:00 -
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Dewa Cinta wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
Where are these kill mails? I mean if your going to be an ******* and not help me out then why even post?
We killed over 600 exhumers in the caldari ice interdiction with 14 day old destroyer pilots. We have killed over 3 trillion in assets using talos pilots a few months old in freighters alone this year. You can find said kills splattered all over EVE-Kill. That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok. Talos kills the freighter, destroyers kill exhumers. Just go join RVB or brave newbies.
I was thinking about doing this, but I will just run into the same kind of people that I've run into here on the forums.
I think I will just quit EvE altogether and find something else to do with my time something less frustrating and less stressful. |
Adam Gamel
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok.
A ships a ship. We have day old newbees tackling carriers in rifters.
Rifter is a ship designed for combat , a Exhumer is a ship designed for mining. I still don't get how all this applies but thanks. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
673
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:38:00 -
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RvB hosts many low-skilled players with little money and yet has more kills then most alliances. There is even a ship replacement program and low-cost ships -- as some mentioned Isk.
Even if you don't like pre-arranged fights you can take off with others and go to low sec, null, wormholes etc.
I had a low-skilled alt that had more kills in a rifter (pre-rebalance) then some of my higher SP characters -- mainly because I didn't care if i lost ships so engaged more. I think it took 2 1/2 mos -- give or take a couple weeks -- to get her into an interceptor and Firetail with decent (not perfect) skills.
And you really benefit form the experience of T1 before jumping into T2 -- unless you and your corp don't mind losing Isk more Isk then you have to, to learn. |
Swordfingers
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
47
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:39:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:Dewa Cinta wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
Where are these kill mails? I mean if your going to be an ******* and not help me out then why even post?
We killed over 600 exhumers in the caldari ice interdiction with 14 day old destroyer pilots. We have killed over 3 trillion in assets using talos pilots a few months old in freighters alone this year. You can find said kills splattered all over EVE-Kill. That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok. Talos kills the freighter, destroyers kill exhumers. Just go join RVB or brave newbies. I was thinking about doing this, but I will just run into the same kind of people that I've run into here on the forums. I think I will just quit EvE altogether and find something else to do with my time something less frustrating and less stressful. Maybe you should, the game obviously doesn't suit you. |
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Dewa Cinta
Funbag Industries
22
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:39:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:Dewa Cinta wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
Where are these kill mails? I mean if your going to be an ******* and not help me out then why even post?
We killed over 600 exhumers in the caldari ice interdiction with 14 day old destroyer pilots. We have killed over 3 trillion in assets using talos pilots a few months old in freighters alone this year. You can find said kills splattered all over EVE-Kill. That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok. Talos kills the freighter, destroyers kill exhumers. Just go join RVB or brave newbies. I was thinking about doing this, but I will just run into the same kind of people that I've run into here on the forums. I think I will just quit EvE altogether and find something else to do with my time something less frustrating and less stressful.
You never know until you try. These forums are a cesspool, shouldn't take them too seriously. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6971
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:41:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:
Rifter is a ship designed for combat , a Exhumer is a ship designed for mining. I still don't get how all this applies but thanks.
While you are sitting in station doing nothing they are out blowing stuff up and having fun. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
673
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:46:00 -
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Swordfingers wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
I was thinking about doing this, but I will just run into the same kind of people that I've run into here on the forums.
I think I will just quit EvE altogether and find something else to do with my time something less frustrating and less stressful.
Maybe you should, the game obviously doesn't suit you.
I guess the way the thread was entitled should have been a clue...oh well. Karma points for the good.
And OP, there is nothing wrong if you find the game stressful. You're not alone in that. It's not for everyone. |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
35
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:50:00 -
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I'm sorry OP, but it sounds like you are the one that won't let yourself experiment in the game not ccp.
You need to get out and do some stuff, and you don't need 4-5 maxed skills to do it either. I should know. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
293
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:04:00 -
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Welcome to EVE...now get the **** out. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:06:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:I have EvE Mon and EFT, I've heard that following Certs is not something I should do,
well I just cherry pick them for what I find relevant and useful. you're not going to need to train everything in them because it'll take forever. they're helpful because eve's skill system really isn't, it's tremendously complex. freelance space bum |
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:30:00 -
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I don't see the problem here. I have just over 1mil SP and I'm having a blast. |
Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
28
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:07:00 -
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MMORPGs are about keeping the person playing for a longtime in order to obtain monthly subscription fees, by limiting the amount of skills a person can learn, it increases income in a few ways.
#1 The player will have a goal in mind, people like goals it makes them play longer. #2 A focused character can do the same thing as a veteran, this means people will have more than 1 account they pay for, one for pvp, one for mining etc. #3 EvE is a universe that needs people to do the ***** work, if no one is mining or building ships than no one is pvping, you need to earn your stripes by doing the ***** work, everyone else did. #4 Instant gratification isn't for people who play EvE, sure you can purchase an account with isk you bought, but you'll most likely still suck at the game, and quit once you have no goals left to accomplish.
Most mmorpgs are failures today, they copy world of warcraft and try to be the next big thing, but they aren't Blizzard, people will play WOW just because they are fans of Blizzard, this is what game developers don't recognize when they're dropping 500 million dollars onto a game that is trying to be wow, SWTOR, they aren't wow.
A real MMORPG is the sandbox, you let players decide how the game should be played, thats what ultima online did well from 1996-1999 RIP, and eve copied every bit of those gameplay mechanics and added space ships. They didn't try to be Blizzard, they where trying to be ORIGIN, and succeeded more so than ORIGIN.
The idea is to earn something, thats why skill training online is so great, no one is equal. When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
512
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:10:00 -
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Eve is CCP's sandbox, not yours.
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Cannibal Kane
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1912
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:16:00 -
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My BootCamp members that have no skills to fit techII items would like to proof you wrong.
They have killed more in their first two months than most so called PVP corps. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
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James 420
EVE Corporation 98188875
30
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:32:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:
- Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, weapon system, and specialty at any given time. Ex1: Someone you are facing has about 20 million SP, but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related? He/she could be a HUGE industrial player with limited combat skills. Ex2: A veteran player has just trained up the skill Large Hybrid Turret to level 5. That skill in no way affects the skill Small Hybrid Turret and thus the veteran will be no better or worse than before at the frigate level.
- Getting a skill from level 4 to level 5 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there (exceptions apply). If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty to level 4 (which takes a fraction of the amount of time it takes to get those skills to level 5), you will find yourself flying at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran with those same skills in that specific specialty at level 5 (which is something that can be easily overcome with the right module or tactic).
- Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4 (again, because it's faster).
Except you are wrong, I'll take fw as an example : - You need support skills (navigation, cap, shield, etc) not only your racial frig skill and weapon skill at 4 - Implant sets make a pretty big difference - Off grid boosters too obviously That's a shitload of skills to train for a new player, your example is realllllllllllllllllly specific (fighting an indy char is pretty rare), most people in fw have optimal skills. So a new character can't solo pvp even in frigs for like 2-3 months, do you find this normal ? Proud enforcer of 420 BLAZE IT |
stup idity
22
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:36:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adam Gamel wrote:
That's an Exhumer not a ship ready to fight in PVP. I don't have a Talos so I don't know how this applies to me but ok.
A ships a ship. We have day old newbees tackling carriers in rifters. Rifter is a ship designed for combat , a Exhumer is a ship designed for mining. I still don't get how all this applies but thanks.
You should look for some real help, meaning a corp that offers pvp training or pvp for noobs (look for rvb for example). Or you go and join faction warfare on your own and go and shoot some war targets. Once you get the hang of it you will be able to find fights you can even win.
I posted a fit right below, that has everything that you will need to get started. It's just an example, not necessarily a very good fit. It takes (without respeccing or implants) a little over 3 days to train, including fitting skills, racial frigate 3 and gunnery support skills to 3.
[Slasher, noobslasher]
3x 200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I (Republic Fleet EMP S)
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Small Ancillary Shield Booster (Cap Booster 25) Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Emergency Damage Control I Gyrostabilizer I
2x Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
I reign supreme. |
James 420
EVE Corporation 98188875
30
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:37:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:My BootCamp members that have no skills to fit techII items would like to proof you wrong.
They have killed more in their first two months than most so called PVP corps. If it's high sec pvp against pve fitted carebears it's not relevant. Proud enforcer of 420 BLAZE IT |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
365
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:55:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:They aren't short short is one hour not weeks. Anything that takes less than 11days of training from level 4 to level 5 at optimized attributes and with +4 attribute implants is short. Remove insurance. |
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
71
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:12:00 -
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Well... keep several things in mind when it comes to EVE pvp: - EVE pvp can mean many different things: Most people start by flying in groups, most people continue to PvP in groups as well and with groups in EVE basically as long as you can fly something, you will be of some use - if people ask you for maxed skills to join their fleet, they are jerks, just move on, you don't want to have anything with them anyway; basically if you can fly anything you are asset to most fleets (exceptions being stealth fleets and some strange stuff) If you want to go into solo pvp, think a bit about what you want? - You don't really need lot of skills to gank miners in high sec - or to float cloaked in space and drop on top of someone (basically stealth bomber will do and it doesn't take that long to train to reasonable level and you definitely don't need at on level 5 - sure, it helps, but picking targets will decide on outcome of combat, not your torps doing 2% more damage) - or to solo roam in (cheap) frig or destroyer in faction warfare space. Sure, you will die a lot, but face it - you will die a lot no matter your skills, and you will mostly die due to picking bad fight or being outnumbered (meaning picking bad fight). If you want more expensive stuff, you can always hop into faction frig or pirate faction frig, pick faction modules... even without maxxed skills; sure, tech 2 frigs are nice, but you won't be using them most of time and it is better idea to practice in t1 anyway; t2 modules are nice, but lot of your fit will be meta 3 and meta 4 anyway; do train for t2 weapons however, but until you do, meta4 + faction ammo does fine - or hunt ratters / mission runners in whatever space - here hunt is all, you need half decent fit, lot of spare time and patience - if you manage to lock non-pvp ship down, it is usually as good as dead
what you won't be able to do without (lot of) training: - fly battleship in battleship fleets: if mass scale fights are your thing, you might need to train one up; up to that, battlecruisers are fine and don't take that long to train (and no, you don't need them at V - you are in fleet to be bit more meat for the grinder anyway) - fly capital: do you really want to fly one? :) - consistently win 1v1 with 'elite pvpers': don't be bothered about this one, fair 1v1 in EVE is a myth: most people fly in groups, those who don't will use whatever they can to gain advantage, so if you really want to be competitive in mythical EVE solo fights, you will need skills, player skills, expensive stuff, 2+ alts (booster and cloaked alt/scanner/scout), more expensive stuff, enough cash to cover loss of all of that several times without being bothered and a LOT of spare time as even with all of listed, you will still want to avoid most of fights. Most important thing - your 'elite pvpers' won't enga - probably some other stuff... :)
on to some typical myths: - you want t2 weapons. It is more important for some weapon types, but you generally want it. Is it mandatory? nah, meta 4 will kill almost as good. So basically train it up when you have most of other skills you might want at IV - you don't need navigation at V, or most of other skills at V either - train them if you want interceptor or whatever, don't bother otherwise. Sure, in perfect world pilot with all skills at 5 will beat one with all skills at 4 consistently. EVE is not perfect world, piloting errors will kill you more often the this difference in skills; foe's friends jumping on top of you will kill you even more often; fitting not optimal for situation will kill you just as often as your foe's friends... when you get enough player skills to get over these, you will have all your skills at V anyway - fitting can be *****, agreed on that one; it is reason why most people fit meta modules (except for guns) - solves the issue - most EVE players don't have skills maxed - contrary to popular belief, most characters are not 5+ years old. Also many people tend to fly stuff they are not fully skilled for (for various reasons - for example my frig skills are << my tengu skills; do you see me in tengu in faction warfare zones? nah, not really) |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
674
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:49:00 -
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James 420 wrote:[
Except you are wrong, I'll take fw as an example : - You need support skills (navigation, cap, shield, etc) not only your racial frig skill and weapon skill at 4 - Implant sets make a pretty big difference - Off grid boosters too obviously That's a shitload of skills to train for a new player, your example is realllllllllllllllllly specific (fighting an indy char is pretty rare), most people in fw have optimal skills. So a new character can't solo pvp even in frigs for like 2-3 months, do you find this normal ?
Do I find 2-3 mos. normal?
I'll put it this way. I've known guys who can FC a small gang in lo-sec and null within 3 mos. Is it common? No, because many people aren't the FC-type or don't push themselves to learn. Are they great at it? Some are quite decent and will only get better with time.
Did they start in T1 frigs? Yes, usually progressing first towards an AF, then cruiser.
For another example: It takes a month or more to GRIND your character in SWTOR and even then you're at the bottom of the barrel and the PvP is mostly laughable.
Just to get into good end-game gear to PVE with takes longer. And, do I want an end game in 2 mos? No. That is one reason EVE is great. If you can do too much, too soon, it would ruin the game.
How about single player games.?I don't know about you or what you play, but it took me 2-3 months to get good at certain strategy games and the learning process is continual.
No, I am not paying a monthly sub for such --but then I'm not paying for the benefits of an MMO.
I'm not unsympathetic -- some training is a bit lengthy. I know as I've trained several characters. But if you're having a good time and learning, that is what matters. I've never been bored in EVE. If someone is bored, they are either not taking advantage of what the game has to offer or it is not for them. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
878
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Posted - 2013.06.23 01:13:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:I want to PVP but in order to even have a chance I need to have T2 Weapons and even then I need the CPU and power gird to equip them in a way where I could actually do something which takes so much time months, its a frigate why do I need to wait that long just to dive into the meat of the game and actually have a chance?
[Atron, Waaa no skills]
Internal Force Field Array I Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Local Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Limited 1MN Afterburner I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge S Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge S Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge S [Empty High slot]
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Tell me this is unusable for pvp or that it takes forever training for it and I'll tell you you're wrong. This is all you need to start doing pvp, you can even start without rigs.
Pvp starts already for very small things like point stuff, uncloak stuff, burn perches/escape points, scout gates/systems and before you are comfortable doing this the fit I just put there will be changed for a T2 one and a T2 frigate/rigs if you do it right.
Pvp is not all about big numbers on your screen and "waaaa 5416843153654163151 critical!!!" and you clearly underestimate what you can already do with a full T1 fitted ship and a 1 day old character
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.06.23 01:14:00 -
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I have no problem finding fights where people with millions more skill points than me blow me up in ships that cost more than my net worth.
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Kunming
Outcasts
80
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:35:00 -
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There is a downside to everything... The more SP you have the more expensive your clone becomes and after a time it becomes pointless to fly anything cheaper than that. Why risk your expensive skin in a cheaper hull that can get killed more easily?
The thing is, the skill system in EVE makes a compromise, yes the first few months will be challenging for new players, but in return, since you can only utilize a certain amount of your total SP while flying a ship, you will be on the same lvl with a much older player once you reach it. The older player will have more specializations ofc, but you can only fly one ship at a time besides let us cranky vets have some cookies as well..
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Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
678
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:06:00 -
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Kunming wrote:There is a downside to everything... The more SP you have the more expensive your clone becomes and after a time it becomes pointless to fly anything cheaper than that. Why risk your expensive skin in a cheaper hull that can get killed more easily?
A lot of skilled pilots risk their clone in T1s and interceptors.
Also, there are few legitimate excuses for being podded, (once you learn the basics of how not to be) among those reasons is smartbombs. And seriously, if you can't afford to replace your clone now and then, you probably need to reevaluate either your PvP style / or self-sufficiency or both.
And what does being a bitter vet have to do with this thread? Already the game is much easier to get into. If it gets much easier -- --I want to be in Talos in 2 weeks easy --- people would be crying over lost ships they couldn't afford in the first place, while learning next to nothing about how to PvP.
Oh and here's a cookie, I'm just cranky, not bitter. |
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