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Cyndal
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Posted - 2003.08.12 18:05:00 -
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Quote: I think the reason for most PvP fighting being at this range as that's the normal warp in range. If we had adjustable warp in ranges, combat would become alot more varied.
Actually, most PvP encounters are below 20k because of all the jammers, scrammer and webbers you have to use to ensure a kill. They all have 7500m-25000m range, so if you go PVP, since the damage ratio is almost the same and the tracking speed on large turrets sucks, it makes sense to go with 7 or so medium weapons rather than have large weapons that can't hit close range that suck 2x the cap and all the resources of a battleship that could be spared for other devices.
He said I never listen to him ... (or something like that)
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Cyndal
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Posted - 2003.08.12 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Cyndal on 12/08/2003 18:15:16 Anyone else find it funny that Entity is singing praises about his dominix over a megathron, yet has a megathron pic in his sig?
He said I never listen to him ... (or something like that)
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.12 18:22:00 -
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Perhaps because the megathron looks cooler?
And that is exacly all it has. Good looks, but no brain..
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Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2003.08.12 19:29:00 -
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I'd say a lot of those problems originate from the Beta. I was playing back then, and experienced some major nerfs to both cruisers and frigates. These ship classes are quite balanced as they are today, but the battleships never got any attention, at least not so that I could notice it. Sure we got to fly them, but really only the last day of Beta. No time to really equip them and realize their potential, and so, no time to nerf them.
I have not had the honour of flying a Battleship after that last day of beta, but I did look carefully over their stats a few days ago. And yep, they really should have given them some attention in the Beta, cuz now they seem quite unbalanced as you have all been "whining"(no offense meant )about. The Raven is in no way superior to the scorpion, except for a couple of extra missile bays which are as missiles function today, useless. OK some extra Powercore, some shielding and armor hit points, but the HP problem is solved by the Scorpions special ability of getting extra shield points per skill level. And with 8 med slots the Scorpion is extremely difficult to kill.
So I suggest you devs give most if not all the L2 battleships a little extra love, perhaps some lowslots and a bigger powercore(as someone mentioned above) would help the Raven, even an extra turret slot might make it worthwhile to fly. It is really a cool looking ship, but it's a shame that noone seems to want it because of it's inferiority to the Scorpion and really most battleships out there, L1 and L2 alike.
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Caillech
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Posted - 2003.08.12 19:48:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Gall are the hybrid blaster race, yet u can not even fit their best bship currently, with 7 of their lowest power turrets.. Ion/2000grid.
well it's supposed to be like that since megathron gives 5% dmg and tracking to hybrids
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Digital Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.12 21:59:00 -
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cmon i fly the most hated or least used ship in the game (a raven) sure its fun to watch six cruise missiles hone in on an enemy, but the funny part is i just spent 50k on that salvo, while i could have used zero isk on my apocalypse dealing the same amount of damage in less time....
....from 70km away. my apoc is still gimped, i have 540 cpu with electronics 4. on average you can get eight megabeams on if you dont use anything else of importance. the raven can BARELY fit four 425mm railguns, thats if you use four power diagnostics or reactor control units on lowslots. missiles are slow and cumbersome and most of the time dont reach the target.
an armageddon could basically wreck me if it wanted to, but oh wait i have two extra missile slots on my apoc so it makes it all better now =D
i say do this:
take away dronespace (most of it) on non gallente ships, boost the amarr race's powergrids even more, give caldari a better rack o' missiles. minmatar, bring back projectiles. and for gods sake make the raven worth its money, it sure is pretty but the scorpion can take it out any day. how about you swap scorpion and raven for shipstat?
give raven 8/8/4 and scorpion 6/6/4. :) "To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor" |
Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.12 22:26:00 -
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Quote: Anyone else find it funny that Entity is singing praises about his dominix over a megathron, yet has a megathron pic in his sig?
I got both.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.12 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 12/08/2003 22:37:35 amarr doesn't need more powergrid, we need cpu boost on our lv2 BS. The problem is CPU,not powergrid.
btw, scorpion not only can take out raven, but also can take out ANY ship 1v1. Caldari doesn't need any boost
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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.08.13 00:03:00 -
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Amen to that, Dragon Emperor, it needs CPU. I just decided to trade down to Armageddon.
Also annoing, with that outfit, you are toast buddy no matter what zkillz.
You need 2 CPU boosters for full gun outfit and tacshield/boosting/3 dammods in Apoc. I want those 2 slots back or at least one of them for caprecharge or dammod.
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Digital Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.13 05:08:00 -
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well currently they should then make a scorpion 6/7/4, and a raven 8/8/4 or something like that. at least something to justify its cost. strip it of its dronespace, and give it lower armor if need be.... caldari is built around ECM. "To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor" |
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Bristoll
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Posted - 2003.08.13 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Bristoll on 13/08/2003 06:25:43 Yeah if those 6 can all be turrets, sure! Other than that, the Scorpion deals inferior damage to all the other BS's (Except the poor Raven) and relies on it's ECM/EW to survive engagements against ships with superior firepower.
Sorry guys, can't have it all; although the Raven does warrant some love...
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And if ya like it so much, buy one for yourself! :) Don't mind me... I'm just a pigment of your imagination. |
ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.08.13 07:31:00 -
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The Raven is fine, it's Missiles that suck. It still has a med slot advantage. The Scorpion is perhaps the most powerful pvp ship in the game... I really don't feel a lot of sorrow for caldari bship drivers.
Amarr and Gal lvl 2 ships need a lot more attention imho. (can't speak for mim ships) Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.08.13 08:47:00 -
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Someone once told me i would never fly a giant turd with engines.
*wink Entity*
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.08.13 09:43:00 -
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I'm telling you all it's the leather seats in the high end battleships that makes them cost so much. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas. |
annoing
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Posted - 2003.08.14 12:34:00 -
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Quote: Also annoing, with that outfit, you are toast buddy no matter what zkillz.
You need 2 CPU boosters for full gun outfit and tacshield/boosting/3 dammods in Apoc. I want those 2 slots back or at least one of them for caprecharge or dammod.
Actually m8 i wasnt talking about pvp play. i answered in respect to hunting NPC's which you know is what i do for a living. I wouldnt have a clue what to do about pvp which makes me an easy target i suppose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Inquisition Long live the Inquisition Long live the Emperor Long live Amarr!
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.08.14 12:52:00 -
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With all that caps the lvl2 BS have, wouldn't energy neurtralizers (not the pathetic denergy drainers) be an advantage? | Join eve-webring.com to promote your site. |
Aleis
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Posted - 2003.08.14 18:25:00 -
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Well since we're on the Topic of BS's that Suck how about the Minmitar ships, i mean no one is talking about them since no one fly's em,....since they neither one can keep up with any of the others. and as far as vl 1 vs. lvl 2 the Tempest is a joke, the only advantage the tempest has over the Typhoon is 2 more turrets, although that might seem like a lot it also has 200 less CPU and with 450 CPU, i mean give me a break more turrets with less CPU?, and it also has 2 less low slots so your losing the equivalantle of 3 low slots when you add in the required co-proc, then the Typhoon has more drone space, is faster, and the amount of armour/shield/struct diff is negligable with the amount of damage a BS fight deals out
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Aleister Crowley
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Posted - 2003.08.14 20:00:00 -
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I don't think the tempest sucks at all.
Two people in our corp fly them while I fly an armaggedon and another pilot flys the scorp.
Hands down the scorp can win ANY 1vs1 battle and if you can't you're doing something wrong.
The tempest vs armaggedon:
Tempest will win if it plans for fighting an amarr ship. ie. emp and heat shield and the amarr is all but shut down.
The armaggedon has only 3 med slots which by most standards is 1 speed, 1 shield recharge, 1 either optical tracker or shield hardener.
Yes it has 8 lows but the obscene amount of cap use in energy weaps (thank you two patches ago for worsening this) says either you have staying power (lots of cap relay) or you do lots of damage for short periods (damage/rof pumps).
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.14 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 14/08/2003 20:12:11 dmg type is not a issue, only weapon can change type is proj, but proj sux anyway in current status, laser/hybrid has 2 dmg type each, and 1 is same: thermal, so if your enemy KNOW what you are flying, and you don't know him, you are screwed anyway. if you know him, then it's equal game.
btw, this thread is mainly talking about same race lv2 vs lv1 BS though.
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Insane Angel
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Posted - 2003.08.14 22:51:00 -
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50k for 6 cruise missiles that will most certainly hurt any ship I think thats worth the price, especially since another salvo will be coming a few seconds later....remember that all races built BSs to counter each other....look at story line and see who fought who and its seems their line of thinking went into building the ships that way.
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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.08.15 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: illuminati on 15/08/2003 11:53:23 The question isnt which race BS is strongest. Knowing your enemy means you toast him no matter what ship you're up against.
Midslots though, I will agree, make Caldari BS really nasty. I have all these Tachyons and uhm...I cant target but here comes the pain
From what I've read so far nearly ALL level 2 BS need a cpu boost. Weapon upgrades skill helps but not enough. Big guns should run you short on power, but not on cpu. Extra cpu should be needed for EW and 7-8 miner turrets.
So either more cpu or large gun cpu useage decrease. I dont see the logic in building a BS that cant fit good guns default setting. Lowslots should be free for damagemods/sensorstrength/caphelpers or such.
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