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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2005.12.05 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kaeleron on 05/12/2005 22:55:27
This helps a good bit, Not an eve website, but a decent read. Though somewhat angry.
Character Creation Made Needlessly Complicated |
Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.12.06 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 06/12/2005 06:56:51
 Originally by: Kaeleron
This helps a good bit, Not an eve website, but a decent read. Though somewhat angry.
Character Creation Made Needlessly Complicated
^^^Fully endorse the above product or service.^^^
Tough but true!
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Barriers - an EVE novel |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.06 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 06/12/2005 17:18:23
Heh speaking of angry, that's a good word to describe most of eve's roleplayers
( most of whom rightly feel neglected by CCP )
But I'm pretty sure things will improve soon, so don't give up if you haven't already :)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.07 05:52:00 -
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"Character Creation Made Needlessly Complicated"
awesome :s
and it looks like they have more:
worst roleplayer types ever
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeleron
Edited by: Kaeleron on 05/12/2005 22:55:27
This helps a good bit, Not an eve website, but a decent read. Though somewhat angry.
Character Creation Made Needlessly Complicated
rofl but i think it's very hard to come up witha character that way in eve as there are no pretailored professions aso...
might still be helpfull though
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Blind Nuri
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Posted - 2005.12.07 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"Character Creation Made Needlessly Complicated"
awesome :s
and it looks like they have more:
worst roleplayer types ever
While we're on the subject of bad roleplayers, here's a classic:
Michelle Chronicles
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:31:00 -
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Quote:
State what's there, not what I would or should be looking at. For all you know, maybe my character's secret identity [is] 'Tit Staring Man', and all I'm going to pay attention to is your female character's hooters. Don't tell me I'm looking at your flawless face, because I'm definitely gaping at your bosom.
I think Kaleigh is the one person who truly understands this. 
Jawsome reads btw. I'm soooo glad my excursions in rp aren't flawed... yet.
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2005.12.15 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 15/12/2005 14:50:02
NEVER referate to Earth or any historical episode happing on Earth as any more than a myth. (Unless you're a real loonie.)
Also some background info given from CCP has to neglected as information your character would know/understand. (Like the Gallente might decend from the french, but who the hell are the french?)
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tinae
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Posted - 2005.12.18 11:55:00 -
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don't take kindly from players of the empire that's an enemy to you're empire
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: tinae
don't take kindly from players of the empire that's an enemy to you're empire
This person is wrong.
Do not think in Empires/races, rather, think in Factions. State Practicals couldn't care less about war with the Federation. Likewise, there are Republic Minmatar who want nothing else then just to be left alone and live their life without all this RARGH KRUSH AMARR nonsense.
Think like a person.
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2005.12.19 04:57:00 -
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Glad to see it helped :P |
Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Likewise, there are Republic Minmatar who want nothing else then just to be left alone and live their life without all this RARGH KRUSH AMARR nonsense.
This person is wrong :)
If you read the race description of the Minmtars when you choose them it says they all want freedom for all their people, its an inherent trait. You can of course, choose to ignore that, and theres nothing wrong with that in the slightest. Just beware when people start saying 'this is how it is in so and so' because thats just their own viewpoint, and your viewpoint > anyone elses. ;)
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
This person is wrong :)
If you read the race description of the Minmtars when you choose them it says they all want freedom for all their people, its an inherent trait. You can of course, choose to ignore that, and theres nothing wrong with that in the slightest. Just beware when people start saying 'this is how it is in so and so' because thats just their own viewpoint, and your viewpoint > anyone elses. ;)
They'l all want freedom, but I can imagine a recently liberated slave wanting nothing to do with all that freedom fighter stuff, hmm?
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
They'l all want freedom, but I can imagine a recently liberated slave wanting nothing to do with all that freedom fighter stuff, hmm?
Of course, but thats not what you said Discy. Your missing the OOC forums aint ya? :)
I can imagine that a slave who was newly freed would just want to enjoy his freedom and get on with his life, which after all is what the freedom fighters want and what makes their struggle worthwhile.
Of couse, some of them might be so angry that they would just want to blow Amarrians into small bits. But I like to think the first bit.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Of course, but thats not what you said Discy. Your missing the OOC forums aint ya? :)
And likewise, I can imagine that there's fairly well-off minnies that want to be left alone by the constant RAGH KILLZ AMARR as well  .
What the race overview says means nothing 
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 20/12/2005 12:04:05
Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Of course, but thats not what you said Discy. Your missing the OOC forums aint ya? :)
And likewise, I can imagine that there's fairly well-off minnies that want to be left alone by the constant RAGH KILLZ AMARR as well .
What the race overview says means nothing
On the contrary, it just gives the description of your average chap. The majority of minmatars, id imagine, are roughly like the race description, same with Amarr etc. Of course, in this universe that leaves billions of people who are completely different.
Dont draw too many parallels to real life, this is a space opera after all :)
And the Ragh Kill is an oversimplification of many peoples complicated roleplay and backgrounds, its just what you see when you fail to dig.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
And the Ragh Kill is an oversimplification of many peoples complicated roleplay and backgrounds, its just what you see when you fail to dig.
[shrug]
It all boils down to that. Whavtever excuse your character has, it comes down to KILL AMARR WHEEE. Same with Amarr, gallente, intaki, etc 
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2005.12.20 15:20:00 -
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I can't believe that debate just happened.
Anyway, I've been looking for your ingame chatroom so I can lurk for a while, reading while playing the game, and then eventually join in. I can't seem to find it, where, exactly, would one look for it? 
Me.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.12.20 16:41:00 -
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Well, there was a list of the RP chatrooms around somewhere but
OOC = Out of character channel that has had many forms and now is a place for RP'ers to chat out of character (which is a bit wierd when u think about it)
The Summit = In character channel.
And there are a few others kicking about but you'll have to ask others about them, cos khal dont know :)
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:35:00 -
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So it's just "The Summit"? Can I find it under the categories at all or do I just have to "Create/Join" "The Summit"? I was trying to find it through the list but couldn't. :|
And as for RP chatrooms, I saw other people recommend the race's chat channel? Does it go on there as well? :|
Me.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:49:00 -
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Yes it goes on their (race channels) sometimes, but dont rely on it, if you start it people will follow your lead usually though (wellin the minmatar channel at least, havent been on the rest)
And yes, 'The Summit' is a player created chat channel, just hit join and type that in.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:51:00 -
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My thanks. :) Now I need to get back to reading before my last hour of work today is done. . . ;)
Me.
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Marie Trudeau
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Posted - 2005.12.20 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 20/12/2005 19:48:37
Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
So it's just "The Summit"? Can I find it under the categories at all or do I just have to "Create/Join" "The Summit"? I was trying to find it through the list but couldn't. :|
And as for RP chatrooms, I saw other people recommend the race's chat channel? Does it go on there as well? :|
Me.
The race chat channels are often not RP. They are sometimes RP. They are also a good place to learn of race-specific in-game events, which are often 'announced' in these channels.
Another in-game RP channel is "La Maison de Tous Les Plaisirs", which is a bar-type concept and is strictly RP.
More RP channels are planned ... stay tuned. 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.12.20 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Another in-game RP channel is "La Maison de Tous Les Plaisirs", which is a bar-type concept and is strictly RP.
If you're looking for a bar, "Bar VETO" is personally my favorite place to get Electronically Drunk. Much fun, much fun 
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Ardipithecus Ramidus
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Posted - 2005.12.21 02:44:00 -
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My advice on rp in general is, remember that your character was socialized in a certain environment. Often it is far different than the environment that capsuleers encounter. For example, Caldari corps are all subsidiaries of the megacorps...EXCEPT for PC corps. Oh my God...there is such a thing as personal property! You can own your own ship!!!!
And Amarr, well, can you imagine the personal conflict that results first time they dock at a Pleasure Hub? 
Gallante finding their way into Amarr space for the first time looking for entertainment? A free Minmatar with ex-slave parents discovering Caldari society, where people are willing slaves to the megacorp CEOs?
The point is, if you find your background is messed up or you find that your character is simply not fitting in, there is always room for cultural shock to adjust it to where you feel more comfortable. Write it up. Talk about how it impacts your character. If you have to, burn it afterwords, but at least you will have thought it out.
Just remember, often your newly graduated pilot will be going through as much of a shock as you are or more so--to you it's just a game and you expect different perspectives, but I see people in the Intro to Cultural Anthropology courses at my university who are SHOCKED that others think differently than themselves. So it is alright for your character to feel the same way.
RPing isn't about holding onto one viewpoint. When you get down to it, there really are few fanatics in the world, and they wouldn't make good pod pilots. Feel free to have your attitude change, just make sure it makes sense. If you are tired of mining, well, maybe your character is as well and finds a cause to fight for.
There is always room for development in rp. You are allowed to change. To be static on all issues, to dedicate your life to one aspect forever, that simply is not very realistic. Pirates can become "good guys" (in rl some have become admirals), loyalists can become criminals and pirates, a manufacturing corp can become militaristic, and a paramilitary can introduce a manufacturing facility.
And when you want a change, write it up. Define it. Don't just think of a reason to make a particular change. Explore the moment that your character decided enough was enough, and try to figure out where he or she would go from there. It might surprise you. And if you don't want to let anyone else see it, don't. But use that to determine your new direction.
Anyway, that's what I have to add to what everyone else is saying here.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.12.21 12:00:00 -
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I think thats the most sensible and best advice yet
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.12.21 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ardipithecus Ramidus
Caldari corps are all subsidiaries of the megacorps...EXCEPT for PC corps. Oh my God...there is such a thing as personal property! You can own your own ship!!!!
I realize it's just an example, but that particular one is completely inaccurate...The State is hypercapitalistic, which leads to a huge emphasis on personal property. The corporations are all subsidiaries of the megacorps, yes, but that does not in any way preclude personal property. Your employer pays you money, and you buy whatever you want with it.
However, nitpicking aside, you make a damn good point.
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Ardipithecus Ramidus
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Posted - 2005.12.22 03:14:00 -
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LOL yeah you caught me on that one, been too long since I looked at the Caldari backstory.  Just caught up in my own propaganda I guess. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll fix it right quick.
Oh, and that's another tip for newbies. Don't be afraid to get little details wrong, how many people know all the ins and outs of the world around them? Hell, there probably are subsidiaries where everything is corporate property, just not the megacorps we're familiar with.
Eve is a huge place, and I'm sure that every possible variation on all the various forms of government and social organization have been represented at one time or another. Don't be afraid to introduce your own spin on one of the major groups and assign it to some backwater. Just make sure it fits with the rest. And the more backwater, the more leeway you might have. It's amazing how flexible people are in how they organize themselves...
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.12.22 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ardipithecus Ramidus
Don't be afraid to get little details wrong, how many people know all the ins and outs of the world around them? Hell, there probably are subsidiaries where everything is corporate property, just not the megacorps we're familiar with.
Very good point. Hell, if this were in-character, you could legitimately be under the impression that there is no private property in the state and everything is corporately owned.
Originally by: Ardipithecus Ramidus
Eve is a huge place, and I'm sure that every possible variation on all the various forms of government and social organization have been represented at one time or another. Don't be afraid to introduce your own spin on one of the major groups and assign it to some backwater. Just make sure it fits with the rest. And the more backwater, the more leeway you might have. It's amazing how flexible people are in how they organize themselves...
Loads of fun there :) Leaving your own little mark on the EVE universe is great, just look at what Herko Kerghans does. He took a slight mention of something in the backstory (the Caldari executives drinking poisoned tea at the beginning of the war) and created the story of "kresh" and "hak'len" from it. I use it in RP now.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2005.12.23 00:44:00 -
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I got a little peace of advice. And I'll even try to not rant.
Please, please, please do NOT make your character unbelieveable. If I wanted to talk to a man without fear or emotions or weaknesses or morals I'd talk to superman gone bad.
Here's some examples.
If your character is flying at an Armageddon Class battleship in a Rifter without feeling the slightest twinge of fear he'd better be high or insane. Otherwise I don't buy it. And most peopole don't hang out with either high people or insane people.
If your character gives a lady in a bar a drink and lets her almost croak on it he's a damn bastard and I'm going to hate him. And most people don't hang out with people they don't like.
If your character is a megalomaniac who doesn't leave the pod because he'd lose his power, he's just that a godamn MEGALOMANIAC ! That's a bad thing. Again, insane people = no hanging out.
This has nothing to do with them being two-dimensional or even badly thought out. This has to do with you not wanting your personal creation to change and/pr get hurt. Understandable, but if people RP they don't wanna play with a more responsive NPC. Call this a plead to all the new and current Rpers ... Please, I'm sure we're all tired of superman butting heads with superman. That's what makes characters like Pulgor and Marie so good.
Now, my other point.
I have been mulling about this a bit. Personally, I think the whole "Holoprojection" is a cop-out and pretending any smart starship captain will send his thought halfway across the galaxy to chat, while fighting hostiles is idiocy. Instead, I propose this: Regard the RP taking place in Clubs Bars or whatever your venue of choice is as removed from the realtime flow. Getting together after a long day blowing up Angels. The EVE galaxy can be crossed rather quickly and safely in a shuttle and I doubt that your character can't afford something that is the equivalent to a bus ride. If you're a pirate I'm sure you've found ways to get together with your buddies. Should something crop up during your time chatting it can easilly be added with: "Hey, Bob, have I told you about this Gurista Officer I found earlier today ?"
There. I'm done giving advice.
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