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Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:28:00 - [151] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart Quote: If I started being a science **** and trying to force people to accept my interpretation as fact, I'd be trying to rewrite or extend the prime fiction. As with all things RP, it depends on how it's done. If you're a jerk about it you are out of line. However if your character is a theoretical physicist, for instance, and has some startling new theories and is attempting to convince people to accept what his theorems prove, then yes, it's perfectly fine in my book. Me. That's exactly how I played it. I put it across as theory created by my character. In parts, I referred to "popular current theory" or someone else's theory but in reality I made it all up from what I believed extended from the Prime Fiction. Since it's all theory, none of it contradicts PF. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.19 23:07:00 - [152] Nyphur, so if a character says that sometimes he likes to fly his ship outside of the pod (ie sitting on the bridge), and that he likes to interact face to face with his ships crew as this does not contradict the PF would this be acceptable to you? The PF is not a set of rules but more of a backdrop or a context that is open to interpritation and providing that one speaks for ones self and that anything you use is plausable within the PF then were is the problem? That is the crux of the dispute between myself Nikolai and a few others, who have all jumped on the wanna be dev/mod band wagon. Rather than actualy read what was said and understand the context of it. I can be reached through evemail which i check daily, for those who wish to understand the facts of my fiction please feel free to contact me directly. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Peace through the application of superior firepower
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.20 01:24:00 - [153] Originally by: Strikeclone Nyphur, so if a character says that sometimes he likes to fly his ship outside of the pod (ie sitting on the bridge), and that he likes to interact face to face with his ships crew as this does not contradict the PF would this be acceptable to you? The PF is not a set of rules but more of a backdrop or a context that is open to interpritation and providing that one speaks for ones self and that anything you use is plausable within the PF then were is the problem? That isn't exactly what I'm saying. I know the prime fiction is more of a background on which thingscan be based but you have to be careful not to go writing things in which the PF might later expand on because you might look the fool when they do. But that's something that's entirely arguable and it's possible that you won't ever reconcile this point with a specific other player. However, the point I'm making is that it's important that the PF not CONTRADICT what you're saying. Flexability is one thing but if the PF or game mechanics directly say that things work one way and you, in character, say it works another, the bottom line is that you're wrong. If I say I don't use a pod and someone hunts me down and kills me, only to see a little egg warp off, that's proven me wrong - my character lied because there's no possible way for him to use a pod. That's what I mean by working with what you're given. I don't mean work ONLY with what you're given, I mean that you can't really say something if the game mechanics or prime fiction contradicts it. I can't say I represent the Amarr navy and I'm signing an alliance with the Gallente federation because that simply isn't happening in-game. I can't say I took over a station in empire because if people go there, it's owned by an NPC corp and I sure as hell didn't take it. To answer your first question, I can't reasonably say I don't use a pod unless I never fly a ship out of the station or unless I never lose a ship around people. The instant I get blown up, the proof is out there that my character is a big pod-using liar. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.20 02:36:00 - [154] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 20/04/2006 02:37:16 Originally by: Strikeclone Nyphur, so if a character says that sometimes he likes to fly his ship outside of the pod (ie sitting on the bridge), and that he likes to interact face to face with his ships crew as this does not contradict the PF would this be acceptable to you? I don't think anybody's been saying there's a problem with that. Originally by: Strikeclone The PF is not a set of rules but more of a backdrop or a context that is open to interpritation and providing that one speaks for ones self and that anything you use is plausable within the PF then were is the problem? As I've said before, interpretation is one thing, but you can't change or contradict it outright. Interpretation is coming up with your idea of what the fiction means when it's unclear. Interpretation is NOT deciding to change the PF in some way that you think works better. Originally by: Strikeclone That is the crux of the dispute between myself Nikolai and a few others, who have all jumped on the wanna be dev/mod band wagon. Rather than actualy read what was said and understand the context of it. That's NOT the crux of the dispute. The crux of the dispute is that you said one thing (which completely contradicted PF and game mechanics) and now you're saying a different thing and claiming that's what you always said. Originally by: Strikeclone I can be reached through evemail which i check daily, for those who wish to understand the facts of my fiction please feel free to contact me directly. That's absurd. I've TRIED communicating with you through EVEmail. All you do is fill my inbox with lies and nonsense. I thought maybe you were just sidestepping to keep yourself from looking bad in public on IGS, and that you wanted to communicate with me private so you could be honest, clear the whole thing up, and it would be over and we wouldn't make a big deal about it on the forums. Instead, you just threw more lies and crap at me. Understand your fiction? How many months has it been since you claimed you were going to send me a whole file full of info about your RP? You STILL haven't sent it, no matter how many times I said "Yes, I'd STILL like to see it." I've completely given up on trying to communicate with you on a one-to-one level because it goes NOWHERE. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.20 02:37:00 - [155] Originally by: Nyphur However, the point I'm making is that it's important that the PF not CONTRADICT what you're saying. So where does the PF contradict anything that i have said? Originally by: Nyphur Flexability is one thing but if the PF or game mechanics directly say that things work one way and you, in character, say it works another, the bottom line is that you're wrong. in what way does the game mechanic or the PF differ from what i have said? At no point does it say that a ship can NOT be flown without pod technology, if that were the case how did we colonise space prior to pod technology? Originally by: Nyphur If I say I don't use a pod and someone hunts me down and kills me, only to see a little egg warp off, that's proven me wrong - my character lied because there's no possible way for him to use a pod. so you are saying that we are born in the pod, grown to adulthood in the pod, and finaly become pod pilots in eve having never left our pods. This is of course ludicrous. The PF at no point says that no one can leave the pod once you are in it. Originally by: Nyphur That's what I mean by working with what you're given. I don't mean work ONLY with what you're given, I mean that you can't really say something if the game mechanics or prime fiction contradicts it. you are arguing a point with out a single basis that is confirmed or denied in the mechanics or the PF. Just for the sake of example I am a pod pilot, i have my npc non-game mechanic crew (not represented in game) yet the PF says all ships have crew (or can have crew) I get blown up and my pod is ejected into space. In reality there is nothing garunteeing the pods survival of the ships destruction so that it can escape, but the game mechanic allows 100% chance of pod survival of the destruction of the ship. The crew the PF says i have is again not represented with their own escape pods, we must imagine and roleplay that they are there. Now turn it around, I am a ships captain, i stand on the bridge (jovian wet grave for PF examples of caldari ship with 1) a captain not in a pod, 2) a bridge 3) a crew) i relay orders to my crew but in a battle my ship is being destroyed. i imagine/roleplay my avatar giving the abandon ship order and the imaginary crew leave the ship via pods life boats etc. I as the captain have my very own escape pod, using the game mechanic 100% of my avatars escape i am in my pod just after the destruction of my ship. the means are different but the result is the same. Its about telling a story and nothing in the PF says i cant fly a ship out of a POD, the game mechanic has to allow the avatar to survive the destruction of the ship its the way its designed regardless of if its a life pod or a regualr pod the out come is the same, no in gmae is being sought after, its just a different story approach. It really is a simple concept my argument, if its not directly contradicted by the letter or the spirit of the PF in every example and it is plausable with the PF then where is the harm, if its a better story. Those whose arrogance and presumption leads them to attempt to dictate how someone playes Eve have missed the point and should stop playing games with other people and should get a pen and paper roleplay game and play solo, then they can satisfy their retentive need for rules lawyer OCD to the max without filling the forums with their flame bait. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Peace through the application of superior firepower
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.20 02:49:00 - [156] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 20/04/2006 02:37:16 Originally by: Strikeclone Nyphur, so if a character says that sometimes he likes to fly his ship outside of the pod (ie sitting on the bridge), and that he likes to interact face to face with his ships crew as this does not contradict the PF would this be acceptable to you? I don't think anybody's been saying there's a problem with that. Well as this is my position then you have no problem with it so why are you going on and on about this months after the mater was left to die? Originally by: Strikeclone The PF is not a set of rules but more of a backdrop or a context that is open to interpritation and providing that one speaks for ones self and that anything you use is plausable within the PF then were is the problem? As I've said before, interpretation is one thing, but you can't change or contradict it outright. Interpretation is coming up with your idea of what the fiction means when it's unclear. Interpretation is NOT deciding to change the PF in some way that you think works better. Anyone else seeing the hypocrisy of this statement compared to his first stated quoted above? Originally by: Strikeclone That is the crux of the dispute between myself Nikolai and a few others, who have all jumped on the wanna be dev/mod band wagon. Rather than actualy read what was said and understand the context of it. That's NOT the crux of the dispute. The crux of the dispute is that you said one thing (which completely contradicted PF and game mechanics) and now you're saying a different thing and claiming that's what you always said. yet you fail to produce a single thread or post of evidence to substansiate your claim, what i infact said in the ancient posts was that due to implants forced upon my avatar prior to becoming a pod pilot the pod technology is uncomfortable and less efficient to use hence my avatars choses to stay out of the pod more often than not. Face it nikolai and others have made this a vendetta, a peronal thing against me because nothing i say alters you opinion and everything you have been saying since the very beginning is just ranting rhetoric not once backed up with evidence. Simply because you cant prove thing i did not say so you put spin and inuendo on what i do say.....your not a Jade alt by chance? Originally by: Strikeclone I can be reached through evemail which i check daily, for those who wish to understand the facts of my fiction please feel free to contact me directly. That's absurd. I've TRIED communicating with you through EVEmail. All you do is fill my inbox with lies and nonsense. Please post these as evidence, also i have sent you several evemails over the last couple of weeks trying to reopen a dialog that YOU closed. you have yet to reply. more to follow.... Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Peace through the application of superior firepower
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.20 03:01:00 - [157] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I thought maybe you were just sidestepping to keep yourself from looking bad in public on IGS, I dont need to stop myself from looking bad, you and your little clique need to wake up to the fact that you are not mods, and that you are not devs, and to stop trying to make me look bad without a shred of proof. Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari and that you wanted to communicate with me private so you could be honest, clear the whole thing up, and it would be over and we wouldn't make a big deal about it on the forums. Instead, you just threw more lies and crap at me. Was it not in fact that I needed time to create the documents I had agreed to supply from the scattered bits of fiction? And that in the time you was waiting for me to finish correlating this document that you continued to argue and flame my posts even after we had agreed to leave it off the forums, and then when i reply to your attacks as i am doing now then you say "you said you was leaveing the forums" It is clear that you want to slander my name and have no return fire. It won't happen. Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Understand your fiction? How many months has it been since you claimed you were going to send me a whole file full of info about your RP? You STILL haven't sent it, no matter how many times I said "Yes, I'd STILL like to see it." I've completely given up on trying to communicate with you on a one-to-one level because it goes NOWHERE. Point of fact some months ago you told me to forget it, unfortunately Eve has patched since then and clearing caches and reinstaling the game has cleared out all of my mails (including all my kill/killed mails ) Further point of fact I have once again tried to keep this off the forms and contact you directly ingame via evemail and you have failed to respond, so lets have no more of you double standards please. My role play position is as stated, sometimes i am not in my pod. Sometimes i talk with my crew face to face. These are actions supported within some articles of the prime fiction, And furthermore a refuted by none (far as i can tell) Most importantly though I am telling a story that fits within the spirit of the prime fiction, I cant comprehend why you assume its your responsability to to judge me, if you dont like the story dont read it, just click back on your browser and read something else. I havent once yet atempted to pick holes in your fiction or that of CAINS so you have no reason to go on as you have been. please contact me off the forums to further this discussion or else grow up and let it lie, no one cares either way except prehaps to be mildly bored by our rants Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Peace through the application of superior firepower
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.20 05:27:00 - [158] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 20/04/2006 05:32:36 Originally by: Strikeclone Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Strikeclone That is the crux of the dispute between myself Nikolai and a few others, who have all jumped on the wanna be dev/mod band wagon. Rather than actualy read what was said and understand the context of it. That's NOT the crux of the dispute. The crux of the dispute is that you said one thing (which completely contradicted PF and game mechanics) and now you're saying a different thing and claiming that's what you always said. yet you fail to produce a single thread or post of evidence to substansiate your claim I CAN'T because SOMEBODY (probably you) e-mailed the mods and had it deleted. There, I said it, now this is probably going to get deleted for discussing moderation, brilliant. Originally by: Strikeclone Face it nikolai you and others have made this a vendetta Originally by: Strikeclone you and your little clique Me and others? What others? My little clique? It's just ME, stop being paranoid. Originally by: Strikeclone Please post these as evidence, also i have sent you several evemails over the last couple of weeks trying to reopen a dialog that YOU closed. you have yet to reply. You sent me precisely one, which I think I haven't deleted. If not, then I'll post it. Originally by: Strikeclone Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari and that you wanted to communicate with me private so you could be honest, clear the whole thing up, and it would be over and we wouldn't make a big deal about it on the forums. Instead, you just threw more lies and crap at me. Was it not in fact that I needed time to create the documents I had agreed to supply from the scattered bits of fiction? You never said a word about needing more time. You said you had them and would send them to me, and then went silent for months. Originally by: Strikeclone when i reply to your attacks as i am doing now then you say "you said you was leaveing the forums" My grammar, spelling, and punctuation are a bit better, but yes, you DID say that. I get get annoyed by people who say one thing and do another. Originally by: Strikeclone Point of fact some months ago you told me to forget it, unfortunately Eve has patched since then and clearing caches and reinstaling the game has cleared out all of my mails (including all my kill/killed mails ) I never said that. This is absurd. I don't understand where you're creating this story of what everybody said, either you have a faulty memory, or you're recreating the past at will. EVERY time you asked me if I still wanted that file, I said yes. Then you just stopped asking. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.20 05:53:00 - [159] Ok Nikolai Nuvolari listen first of if the mods have deleted a thread of posts its down to them so enough with the "probably you" accusations, again something that you cant prove and i cant refute Infact thats all this argument is a series of things you cant prove and i cant refute so this whole issue is a series of your words versus mine. I will petition to see if i can get my mails returned but i dont even know if thats possible if it is i shall send you a copy of the message you sent me via eve mail tell me to "forget it" with regard to the document. Until then or if its not possible to get the mails i suggest we just agree to disagree because i am sick of you groundless accusations that you have consistantly failed to back up. Innocent till proven guilty Nikolai Nuvolari deal with the concept. If my name has been smeared by anything its by your accusations, not by my actions, my words and certainly not by any proof of evidence. So lets quit spamming the forums. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Peace through the application of superior firepower
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.20 05:57:00 - [160] I've had enough of this. You can say whatever you want, truthful or otherwise. But I'm finished. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!

Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.20 06:28:00 - [161] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I've had enough of this. Finally something we agree on Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari You can say whatever you want, truthful or otherwise. A shame that you still can't resist to insinuate without proving anything. Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari But I'm finished. So are you saying that you A) You will wish to carry on this "debate" privately B) You agree that I am right C) Give up the debate because you admit that you can't prove your right and I am a liar. D) Some other option Just pulling your chain Nikolai, I can't help that you have accused without proving and that there is material in the PF that actively supports my point of view. Take care, and remember kids, its a passionate community of pilots out there so take care of yourselves and each other (jerry springer moment ) Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Peace through the application of superior firepower
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.21 14:21:00 - [162] In Nik's defense, I distinctly remember the exact post he brought his claim from because it was the first day I started playing, I looked it up to try and find it out of curiousity, and lo and behold, it isn't there, and has been deleted. Now, whether you made the claim and then later on decided "Wait, you know, that's a good point, he can't not be a podder, I'm going to change it to be more reasonable and in line with the reality of the game mechanics. . ." that's one thing, and you are completely in your right to do so. . . But calling Nikolai a liar and claiming he's going out of his way to make you look bad for something that actually happened is a little off. By the by, the reason I remember it clearly, besides having a near-photographic memory, is because the first post I ever made was in response to that post because I asked you to clarify something. Me.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.21 16:59:00 - [163] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart In Nik's defense, I distinctly remember the exact post he brought his claim from because it was the first day I started playing, I looked it up to try and find it out of curiousity, and lo and behold, it isn't there, and has been deleted. Now, whether you made the claim and then later on decided "Wait, you know, that's a good point, he can't not be a podder, I'm going to change it to be more reasonable and in line with the reality of the game mechanics. . ." that's one thing, and you are completely in your right to do so. . . But calling Nikolai a liar and claiming he's going out of his way to make you look bad for something that actually happened is a little off. By the by, the reason I remember it clearly, besides having a near-photographic memory, is because the first post I ever made was in response to that post because I asked you to clarify something. Me. First of, I am trying to let this lie for one simple reason, it has degenerated into a series of tit for tat my word against whoever posts that are pointless. Even my reply to your reply is a needless continuation of the argument but I will defend myself even if I end up getting moderated for it later. Second If you re-read everything posted here you will find it is Nik who is accusing and insinuating that I am the liar, all with out evidence to back it up. Its a concept called innocent till PROVEN guilty. Thirdly their is no one single incident or thread from which this argument stems, but if I recall correctly it was a completely unrelated thread regarding personal (IE in character) relationships in Eve. I posted on this thread to the effect that I prefer to stay out of my pod MOST of the time so that I can better interact (IE talk with) my crew face to face, and that use of the pod is uncomfortable due to some implants forced on me in my history. That was it I didnt go into massive depth about the point of history or the implants of the whole story behind it as it was not relevent to the thread or my post on that thread. But the trolls came out in force and the thread got annihilated by OOC and flamebait. The moderators done their job and cleaned it up. I am not responsible for troll or their flame posts, I am not reponsible for the moderator doing their job you will have to talk to them about that. Most importantly I am not reponsible for others unfounded and un-proven accusations. Check out the link Hoist Battle Ensigns link below, you will note that several replys are made by notable players of Eve clearly stating that either they are full out NOT pod pilots, or that they too spend time out of their pods. You do not see the forums filled with trolls and their flame hijacking their threads do you? Which leads me to beleive that this got personal, against me. I have tried to pursue the matter of the forums and when that failed I decided to let it lie. Then Nik decided to re-open the wound on this thread MONTHS after the dust had settled. Maybe I was wrong to reply and go on like I have but will defend myself and attempt to explain my words and the spirit of those words. But little replys like your just keep stiring up the sht so I respectfully ask that you do simply let it lie. I have no interest in continuing this argument and Nik has stated a similar desire. Sometimes people just can't agree and the only sensible thing to do is agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away. offers hand* Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.21 18:23:00 - [164] I wasn't trying to propel it on. I was just stating that you're doing the same thing you're claiming he is with the rudeness and whatnot and you should both let it drop. I suppose I didn't word that very well, however. Me.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.21 22:45:00 - [165] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart I wasn't trying to propel it on. I was just stating that you're doing the same thing you're claiming he is with the rudeness and whatnot and you should both let it drop. I suppose I didn't word that very well, however. Me. The matter has been dropped, evemail has been sent earlier to Nik if he chooses to open the debate privately thats up to him. Your continued posting on this is propeling it on as we are still talking about it. Further more I accuse no one of lying, i simply say back up with evidence what you do say. With regard to rudeness, if someone tries to smear your good name do you take it kindley? Because I do not. Now let it go its not relevent no more and it was not really relevent to this thread. Want to talk more convo me or evemail me withdraws hand Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.22 03:17:00 - [166] Quote: With regard to rudeness, if someone tries to smear your good name do you take it kindley? I just ignore it. For two reasons. First reason is that if I have a "good name", no amount of smearing attempts are going to affect that at all as my reputation will precede me, if I don't have a good name (reason number 2), people won't think well of me whether or not I defend myself. So what's the point? Me.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.22 20:48:00 - [167] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart Quote: With regard to rudeness, if someone tries to smear your good name do you take it kindley? I just ignore it. For two reasons. First reason is that if I have a "good name", no amount of smearing attempts are going to affect that at all as my reputation will precede me, if I don't have a good name (reason number 2), people won't think well of me whether or not I defend myself. Originally by: Lillith Blackheart I wasn't trying to propel it on Originally by: Lillith Blackheart So what's the point? Thats your opinion, and I have mine and unless your a roid killer or a trader then you must have thing you are preapred to fight over/defend?? In my case I have have many reasons to fight and I will defend my name, the quickess way to lose a reputation is to avoid defending it. Further more its within my RP nature to be combatative so for me it works to defend myself personally and RP style Now can we drop this? because the only way I want to carry on this stimulating tit4tat is via evemail pls Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.23 13:52:00 - [168] Heh. Me.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.23 16:09:00 - [169] Heh. No me. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Verone	Posted - 2006.04.23 20:58:00 - [170] Wow, Nik and Strike, you guys need to take it easy. Hopefully I can clear some of this up for you. Strikeclone is correct in a sense, when he speaks of piloting a ship without the Neural interface of a capsule. Most of the NPC factions you see in space, The Guristas, Serpentis, all the mission rats and Navy/Fleet ships are all flown by a standard crew as dictated by the PF, including a captain who is not linked directly to the ship's neural network. This is placed in the PF to attribute for the NPC AI's slower reactions than that of a player, I.E. Target locking and general speed of a ship. It also is the reason why when you destroy an NPC, no capsule appears, the crew are simply killed in the blast. It states in several areas of the PF that ships can indeed be piloted "By Hand" so to speak, however when the ship is about to go down, its' not a case of "OMG Run for the pod captain and fill her up!!1" Being rooted into a pod is a complex process that involves the direct linking of a person's nervous system to the ship's critical systems and control systems. I should imagine that it would take several hours to prepare this, and follow through with all the procedure, plus the fact that the pilot needs to be wired into the capsule's Mind-Scan system for his or her clone to be effectively activated. Not to metion the fact that once inside a ship, the capsule is completely surrounded on all sides by what is essentially a heavily armored blast bunker to prevent it being destroyed when the ship breaks up, It's highly unlikely that one can simply pop through the bulkhead door and jump inside. Back to the mind scan system, this system is the sole reason a pilot survives in Eve when he is podkilled. The mindscan system works by monitoring the hull integrity of the capsule that the pilot is encased in. If the pod is attacked, and a hull breach is detected, the mind scan is initiated, deep-scanning and creating a carbon copy of the pilot's memory in a split second, which is transmitted remotely to the clone contractor, before injecting a leathal nano-toxin into the base of the brain where it joins the spinal column. This effectively kills the pilot before the Vacuum of space gets a chance to. Their clone is then activated as per contract and the memories, to the last second before death, are downladed into the brain of the new clone before consciousness. Therefore, any PLAYER in Eve, would effectively be killed if he was piloting from the bridge of his ship and the ship was destroyed, as there would be no Mind-Scan System hooked to his brain, and no transmission to the cloning contractor could occur. Your character in an RP sense would experience Perma Death. So, in a way you are both right, Nik, your logic is good in what you say about the way a capsule works, and Strikeclone, you are correct that some ships in Eve are piloted without the use of a pod, however as a PLAYER in Eve, in an RP sense, every time your ship has been lost, you will have been commanding it from a capsule, through an NI, or you would no longer, in an RP sense, be alive. At all. VETO MEMBER MOVIES

Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.25 23:05:00 - [171] Verone, I appreciate what your saying and what your trying to do. But the whole reason why this thread has been spammed by myself and others is a simple matter of mis-understanding months and months ago. That and the unfortunate fact that over time people have got involved in and for reasons of their own they have mis-represented my original comments. For clarity let me just clear up for once and for my poistion. I am a pod pilot, that is to say I hav the implants and I can pilot ships through the pod interface. I have never said I wasn't a pod pilot, mereley that I quite often spend time out of my pod. I hope this clears things up. On a related but seperate topic that you touch on, about pods and escaping from destroyed ships. We must remember that the PF serves as a back drop to the game, to give context to what do and are capable of doing. If a player wishes to play a non-pod (NOT my position just for example ) pilot captain and comes up with some nice fiction as a result, and seeks no ingame advantage though this fiction then so what? Its a game and we are here to enjoy ourselves. We are not game lawyers arguing over points of law, and none of us are those who are charge with the enforcement of forum rules or game PF. Just to argue the point, the PF says this and that about pod technology to justify the game mechanics of player survial of ship destruction. It does take some liberties with the realities and for the sake of convenience its assumed that regardless of all conditions the pod will survive the ships demise. This is fine as it serves to provide a context to the pod as opposed to the SWG (and others) instant ressurection at the nearest spawn point. If someone decides to be a non-pod pilot captain you could argue the case that just prior to final structual failure the player is able to make it to an escape pod and survive the ships destruction. The assumption of survival in this escape pod is no more or less convenient that the assumption of survival of the pod pilot in his jovian pod. Nothing changes in what happends in game, is simply a differnet way of justifying the out come. In anycase this matter needs to rest now as all sides have become so far entrenched in their arguments that further discussion is all but pointless. I just felt that one last attmept be made on my own behalf to clarify my position. This I have done for the record,...again... Tell Bosie hes a nub :P Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.26 04:05:00 - [172] I'm willing to put down ISK that says there's at least one more last comment on the matter. Me.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.26 04:18:00 - [173] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart I'm willing to put down ISK that says there's at least one more last comment on the matter. Me. Then be prepared to loose some iskies...realises hes typing a reply...DOH! Damnit! Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.26 04:36:00 - [174] Originally by: Strikeclone If someone decides to be a non-pod pilot captain you could argue the case that just prior to final structual failure the player is able to make it to an escape pod and survive the ships destruction. The assumption of survival in this escape pod is no more or less convenient that the assumption of survival of the pod pilot in his jovian pod. It's 99% likely if you're pod *****s open you'll be cloned. It's not that likely, if you're running to an escape pod through a rapidly destabilising ship. Bulkheads could be falling, you might fall and break your leg, someone might steal your escape pod etc. Hell, the ship might blow up taking you with it. Too many issues. PF is there for a reason to explain what goes on in EVE. Sure, you can make up your own but it's like saying "Well the sky is red." or "I am an Elf in EVE, I have arrow fights and duels on my ship." CCP gave us PF, it's illogical that we shouldn't use it, because not using it makes you look like a fool, in the same way as if you were arguing over whether the sky was blue or not. ----- Disembarkation Room
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.26 05:04:00 - [175] Edited by: Strikeclone on 26/04/2006 05:05:08 Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen It's 99% likely if you're pod ****s open you'll be cloned. It's not that likely, if you're running to an escape pod through a rapidly destabilising ship. Bulkheads could be falling, you might fall and break your leg, someone might steal your escape pod etc. Hell, the ship might blow up taking you with it. Too many issues. PF is there for a reason to explain what goes on in EVE. Sure, you can make up your own but it's like saying "Well the sky is red." or "I am an Elf in EVE, I have arrow fights and duels on my ship." CCP gave us PF, it's illogical that we shouldn't use it, because not using it makes you look like a fool, in the same way as if you were arguing over whether the sky was blue or not. considers yet another example of nit picking and flaming, designed to miss the point and troll.* Not even worth an attempt to reply to thsi statement, anymore than has already done. /me yawns Lillith Blackheart 1 isk shall be sent upon my return home from work Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.26 07:15:00 - [176] shrugs Can't answer? I'll take that as a victory I guess. ----- Disembarkation Room
Shemar	Posted - 2006.04.26 13:42:00 - [177] very reluctantly enters the topic I think it must be made clear that the pod is not an escape pod, where you just run and eject if your ship is destroyed, it is a command pod that directly links you to all the ship functions, that also contains a neural scanner that allows your memory engrams to be preserved if the pod fails. A regular escape pod does not contain that, so someone destroying an escape pod would mean that everybody inside dies without a new clone being activated. So, for piloting out of the pod: Yes, you can pilot out of the pod, yes you can possibly (but unlikely given how fast ships die) survive in an escape pod, but if that pod is destroyed you do not get a new clone (so really, if you want your in game actions to match your RP you should delete the character). Getting into the command pod is a time consuming process so claiming that one enters it when the ship is about to die or even when the ship is engaged in combat is also against the PF. One could possibly claim that it just so happened that the times their pod did get destroyed, they happened to be in the command pod at that time, while other times they chose to command outside the pod. Does not contradict the PF but meh, that's just bad RP imo. Now, having said all that, I understand that, in fiction, the interaction between the ship's crew and especially the bridge crew is a very effective way of letting the reader know what is going on, in a dramatic way. So if someone chooses to write stories like that I would just enjoy the story, consider it as non Prime Fiction compatible but not really bother to make a fuss about it. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.26 15:02:00 - [178] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen shrugs Can't answer? I'll take that as a victory I guess. Yes, yes HAl consider that you have picked holes and split hairs of my EXAMPLE, if you wish to consider that a victory then congratulations. I have still not said that I am not a pod pilots and there still is nothing wrong or illegal about bing out of my pod now and again. But I am not going to spam this forum just to argue against your post attempting to flame and EXAMPLE. As an EXAMPLE it was their to make point, it was thought up on the spot, and I admit that it was not studied for, nor did I spend hours reserching the point to make sure that it was idiot or child proof, hence your victory. Those mature enough to try to see my point no doubt did so and left it at that. You had to flame... Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.26 15:06:00 - [179] Shemar, Don't mate, you are going over the same ground already ploughed by the CAINite. And it is not the argument simply an example I came up with on a possability, it is not i repeat NOT what I do, nor what i have EVER said I do. So really theres no further point in this discussion I have been clear on what i have and have not said. For some, not yet you, it has become a personal and very petty goal to troll me where ever I go and to constantly pick holes nad split hairs as if this were a legal case. Constantly refusing to try and see my point. I do not see the benefit to anyone of further arguments concerning an EXAMPLE I used to try and illustrate a point..... Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.26 15:21:00 - [180] Edited by: Strikeclone on 26/04/2006 15:21:52 Back onto topic, I would advise any new members of the community to keep in mind that this is a game, and as long as you are having fun telling a story thats plausable to you and those whom you fly with within the greater story then why the hell not. Of course if you choose to share your story with the community at large you will open yourself to those whos enjoyment comes from being what I like to call rules lawyers. These players have completely lost the point of a game and rather than talk with you about your story in order to clarify often quite simple concepts they will split hairs and misrepresent your every word. With the benefit of hind sight I would urge newer plays to not respond at all to these types of players but to continue having fun, and if needs be report the harrasment to the moderators. With regard to the so called prime fiction it is to be remembered that it is like the bible is many ways, its a series of unrelated stories written by a series of un-related authors. Each author is seeing the eve universe from their own biased pont of view and each story is told about a particular subject, from their point of view. So often you will find seemingly slightly contradictory information. This is not an error, I suspect it is deliberately fuzzy to allow leaway in the future for new developments and story lines. How each of our story's integrates within the PF is a topic of hot debate, as the last few pages of this thread show. It is important to try to keep your story within the wider context and plausability of the PF, however as the PF is a shifting ocean so to speak, so will there always be those who would argue about your boats position on that ocean. Its all relative in the end, and it all comes down to what people perceive you to be saying (ie your message not always your words) and how they interprit the PF and how they interprit your words. My one regret in all my posts and threads arguing points of order regarding what i did and didnt say (and which no accuser has ever been able to prove, but its clear the point is to slander me now not to argue a point) is that I did bite, when I should have called in the mods. I think that is what I should do now, I do recal their being mentioned somewhere, something about player harrassment. Good luck to you all, and do not be afraid of getting stuck in, this community is very passionate about its game, some just need to remember that it is a game, and that they are not the referee. All the best everyone Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns Peace t

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