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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3949
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:50:00 -
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With the rising 'coincidental' use of DDoS attacks on alliances services fighting the CFC over strategic timers; I wonder can EVE voice provide a sensible substitute for comms? It is my understanding that EVE Voice simply does not work for large fleets. Is CCP making strides to improve the quality of this mechanic and what lies ahead for it? . |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1977
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:02:00 -
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I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3949
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:07:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP.
Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights? . |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
692
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:27:00 -
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Seems to work fine in RvB but max fleet I've been was 50ish I think. Someone who spends more time there may know where the cutoff is such that quality becomes an issue. |
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:07:00 -
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Been using Eve voice for a long time. Largest fleet was in the high 80's although the number of pilots on Eve voice was around 50.
Eve voice issues
You can't have multiple speaking channels where you can different hot keys to access.
A few years ago it got sensitive. I started having lots of broken up coms though my mic. Found out I need a mic sock. Don't have the issues with any other VOIP but Eve Voice it is a must (for me).
limited hot keys.
No individual pilot volume control. That can be pesky and painful but the larger the fleet the fewer pilots are going to be speaking so probably moot.
Does not work out of Eve, unless they got the Eve voice though eve gate running and I have not heard of it.
Limited to fleet size if using fleet coms. Not a problem if you use a chat channel.
Advantages
Everyone has it.
Easy to get configured.
Any channel, any time. That said getting on fleet coms is different all the rest for some reason. Not a huge deal but you end up spending a lot of extra time explaining how to getting into fleet coms.
Works when Eve has crashed, as long as the client is still up. Kinda funny when you tell someone they have crashed when they are still in game (you see their ship do the emergency log off warp)
"Last Speaker on top" is flippin' awesome. Makes it easy to attach a voice to a pilot (my gangs have a lot of new pilots in them often). Another advantage is to have a pilot your warping in to speak so they end up on top of the list for easy right click and warp.
Granted, I have know used Eve voice in really large groups. Your probably better off using a chat channel as comes instead of fleet when the numbers get really high. In the end, if your primary coms are down, it would seem that any issues you would have with Eve voice would not matter since it would still be better then using text chat. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.26 04:58:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights? hey yeah guys i dont care about DDoS attacks, i just put it in the thread title |
Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
468
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Posted - 2013.06.26 05:09:00 -
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I suffer from a Distributed Denial of Sanity.
These attacks are carried out by the Thankors and the valemolians. http://www.twitter.com/Alex__Grison |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
697
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:23:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights? hey yeah guys i dont care about DDoS attacks, i just put it in the thread title
In other words, focused on the solution not the problem...ya know, kinda like *cough* hostage release. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
685
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:25:00 -
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Confirming that Eve Voice is useless in fleets numbering larger than 1. we're gonna make them eat our ship, then ship out our ship, and then eat their ship that's made up of our ship that we made 'em eat. |
Zimi Zoom
6
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:49:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights? hey yeah guys i dont care about DDoS attacks, i just put it in the thread title
Please keep your seething passive aggressiveness in the 15$ VIP internet quarantine zone for spergy neckbeards. |
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1369
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:10:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights? I can't speak for the other factions but Amarr has its own Teamspeak server. I assume the others do too. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
60
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:21:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:With the rising 'coincidental' use of DDoS attacks on alliances services fighting the CFC over strategic timers; I wonder can EVE voice provide a sensible substitute for comms? It is my understanding that EVE Voice simply does not work for large fleets. Is CCP making strides to improve the quality of this mechanic and what lies ahead for it?
Are they using low 0rbit ion cannon or some other tool to attack the server? Maybe ccp could include a hacking skill within eve that lets you jam the enemies comms/eve voice.
What we really need are faster internet service providers. https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5632
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:52:00 -
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Even with a DDOS most voice servers offer better service to alliances than EVE's own voice chat. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:44:00 -
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Amarra Mandalin wrote:Seems to work fine in RvB but max fleet I've been in was 50ish, I think. Someone who spends more time there may know where the cutoff is such that quality becomes an issue.
The trick would be then to form small fleets of ~50 men, which would even provide some plus points into the fleet specialization aspect at the price of having to manage and coordinate shitloads of fleets at the same time, which will require a 3rd party comms anyway (but much easier to hide). |
Niko Takahashi
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:42:00 -
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I can not imagine that you do not have one geeky bastard who can actually trace this back. And you know nothing stops a DDOS goon better then the local police knocking down the door on his basement.
It is a crime even in places like Russia let alone the rest of the world. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
1998
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:19:00 -
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For sisi mass tests eve voice is used with maximum size fleets. It seems to be fine. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Del DelVechio
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
96
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Posted - 2013.06.27 18:00:00 -
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We have had 250 people in fleet in RvB before, albeit not everyday, and EV worked fine. Compared to my alts who use Mumble and TS in non-RvB Corps, EV compares very well, especially if you think about how easy it is to use. Of course there are those that have issues with it, but with people joining RvB all the time, the incidence of this is pretty small. Most people just click and go. And people have similar issue with the other options, not to mention the ones mentioned by the original poster.
People seem to bash EV, but it works very well in my experience.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8751
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:20:00 -
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CloudFlare.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3952
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:52:00 -
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Del DelVechio wrote:We have had 250 people in fleet in RvB before, albeit not everyday, and EV worked fine. Compared to my alts who use Mumble and TS in non-RvB Corps, EV compares very well, especially if you think about how easy it is to use. Of course there are those that have issues with it, but with people joining RvB all the time, the incidence of this is pretty small. Most people just click and go. And people have similar issue with the other options, not to mention the ones mentioned by the original poster.
People seem to bash EV, but it works very well in my experience.
Del So it is a solid backup then. Nice. Then again if they realize we simply switch to EVE voice to get around the DDoS attacks they might just DDoS the EVE server, which of course would mean everyone suffers. . |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
845
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:45:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Then again if they realize we simply switch to EVE voice to get around the DDoS attacks they might just DDoS the EVE server, which of course would mean everyone suffers. The servers for EVE voice are run by Vivox, not CCP. You could technically DDoS Vivox and not affect EVE at all. Toshiro Ozuwara > GOon cowards come fight Toshiro Ozuwara > Oh wait, you only camp when you got numberssss
I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8294
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:05:00 -
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Chribba wrote:CloudFlare.
That only works for websites. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Sturmwolke
431
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Posted - 2013.06.28 02:53:00 -
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During the heyday of Incursions, there were like 600+ players on the BTL Pub channel that could potentially connect to EVE Voice during a big public meeting. Whether all of them joined voice is debatable, but EVE Voice held steady.
Incursion MOM fleets (about 80 ships) used to be run on EVE Voice until the old guards left and the newer players preferring TS3 (mainly due to its easier chan management and separation from the main EVE client). Nowadays, EVE Voice have been fairly reliable (at least to me) for small fleets everyday use. There's one fleet which runs on EVE Voice everyday for incursions :)
Personal choice, I tend to avoid TS3 due to the fact that the client IP/country is traceable by whomever manages the server. A little paranoia can be a good thing ... this is EVE after all :)
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Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
718
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:55:00 -
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Del DelVechio wrote:We have had 250 people in fleet in RvB before, albeit not everyday, and EV worked fine. Compared to my alts who use Mumble and TS in non-RvB Corps, EV compares very well, especially if you think about how easy it is to use. Of course there are those that have issues with it, but with people joining RvB all the time, the incidence of this is pretty small. Most people just click and go. And people have similar issue with the other options, not to mention the ones mentioned by the original poster.
People seem to bash EV, but it works very well in my experience.
Del
Good deal --straight from the horse's mouth. Not that you're a horse, Del....maybe a mule, but not a horse. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8761
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Posted - 2013.06.28 06:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Chribba wrote:CloudFlare. That only works for websites. Yeah I realize I was a bit trigger happy on the posting there.
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