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Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.26 05:19:00 -
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So i saw the picture of mercenary colonies in Molden Health, and if you look in the background, you can see what looks like a minmatar Hurricane. So my question is, would battlecruiser size, and even smaller, ship be able to fly over the surface?
Would fighters and fighter bombers from a carrier in space work over the surface? |
Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
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Posted - 2013.06.26 05:20:00 -
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Matthew Breau wrote:So i saw the picture of mercenary colonies in Molden Health, and if you look in the background, you can see what looks like a minmatar Hurricane. So my question is, would battlecruiser size, and even smaller, ship be able to fly over the surface?
Would fighters and fighter bombers from a carrier in space work over the surface?
Yes I do this all of the time. http://www.twitter.com/Alex__Grison |
Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.26 05:50:00 -
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Joke or not, i want clarity. You do this all the time as in, Ya i fly in the clouds in my fancy wolf or i fly 200 km over the planet Earth. A world outgrown. scared by war and burdend with our advances. A world that is no longer ours. A myth, legend. It could now be thriving, or burned to ash, or even ruled by another race.-á |
Solania Aurae
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:04:00 -
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Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.
Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:12:00 -
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Solania Aurae wrote:Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.
Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.
Atmosphere weakens ships? Why not build giant air and water guns? Lol An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind. -irregardless, I'm with Yolo Swaggins, and the followship of the bling.-á |
Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:17:00 -
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Solania Aurae wrote:Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.
Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.
Well somehow it is possible. The picture is on the timelineEve timeline Also, i would think they would coat the volatile materials in a way were it won't explode. Also ships and stations with an interior have an atmosphere for pilot, crew, passenger, ect to survive. Earth. A world outgrown. scared by war and burdend with our advances. A world that is no longer ours. A myth, legend. It could now be thriving, or burned to ash, or even ruled by another race.-á |
Nariya Kentaya
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2013.06.26 08:32:00 -
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Solania Aurae wrote:Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.
Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work. Actual, they DO work on a mass effect field, that is the Lore justification for the submarine mechanics and the fact that you can not only go faster than light, but you can go through a planet, because you project an "anti-reality" field (to be blunt with the name) around your ship with your core, allowing your ship to do wacky science stuff. |
Nariya Kentaya
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2013.06.26 08:34:00 -
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Matthew Breau wrote:Solania Aurae wrote:Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.
Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work. Well somehow it is possible. The picture is on the timeline Eve timeline Also, i would think they would coat the volatile materials in a way were it won't explode. Also ships and stations with an interior have an atmosphere for pilot, crew, passenger, ect to survive. Nothing says the vast open expanses inside the station have air, that would be alot of atmosphere, it would be more efficient to use forcefields and other equipment to separate the habitation zones from the docking/maintenance zones so you could minimize atmospheric spread (especially when you realize that if there are no doors between your docked ship and the exterior of the station) |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:05:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Matthew Breau wrote:Solania Aurae wrote:Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.
Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work. Well somehow it is possible. The picture is on the timeline Eve timeline Also, i would think they would coat the volatile materials in a way were it won't explode. Also ships and stations with an interior have an atmosphere for pilot, crew, passenger, ect to survive. Nothing says the vast open expanses inside the station have air, that would be alot of atmosphere, it would be more efficient to use forcefields and other equipment to separate the habitation zones from the docking/maintenance zones so you could minimize atmospheric spread (especially when you realize that if there are no doors between your docked ship and the exterior of the station)
By that logic it seems also efficient to place a force field a few meters inside the station behind the door. Mainly because every station Ive seen thus far has no door on them. You could place a force field in place of one and pump atmo into the hanger space. Carriers have force fields that allow fighters and bombers to fly through them, it stands to reason that tech is in stations too and allows ships to fly through them. |
Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:41:00 -
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I feel that we have gotten off topic. So, we have the ability to make air breathable in a ship and station which will react violently in an oxygen environment. So, instead the material is coated in another material or separated by force fields. Nariya Kentaya pointed out that warp cores have the ability to work as a mass effect field and also Quote: allowing your ship to do wacky science stuff. So the answer? Earth. A world outgrown. scared by war and burdend with our advances. A world that is no longer ours. A myth, legend. It could now be thriving, or burned to ash, or even ruled by another race.-á |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:55:00 -
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Solania Aurae wrote:...., but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
if its a minmatar ship, this happens whether there be atmosphere or not..... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:56:00 -
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Well, the artists definitely think the ships can fly in the atmosphere. It looks cool so it might just be for marketing. |
adopt
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:36:00 -
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EVE Ships cannot fly in atmosphere as the materials they are made from reacts violently with it. Look at the Caldari Titan in on Caldari Prime Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
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Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:56:00 -
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Jimmy Morane wrote:Well, the artists definitely think the ships can fly in the atmosphere. It looks cool so it might just be for marketing.
Hell ya. Deviant art has a few pics and one of them was a rifter flying over an amarr city while being chased by a executioner. Raid Earth. A world outgrown. scared by war and burdend with our advances. A world that is no longer ours. A myth, legend. It could now be thriving, or burned to ash, or even ruled by another race.-á |
Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.26 23:51:00 -
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adopt wrote:EVE Ships cannot fly in atmosphere as the materials they are made from reacts violently with it. Look at the Caldari Titan in on Caldari Prime
True, but still. Earth. A world outgrown. scared by war and burdend with our advances. A world that is no longer ours. A myth, legend. It could now be thriving, or burned to ash, or even ruled by another race.-á |
Valid Point
United Fedaration Of Miner's ARMAGEDDON LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:45:00 -
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If the only thing that separates ships from falling apart because of atmosphere is a force field, then how come people don't just use EM "bombs" to disable the force field and destroying the ship? The [UNDOCK] button is an "I agree to be blown up" button. by clicking it, you are accepting. -Kitty Bear |
Silivar Karkun
Imperium Aeternam Phantom Armada
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:05:00 -
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it has been discussed before, in the events subforum, someone pointed that, while the material itself would be flamable in atmospheric conditions, its use un mixed alloys could compensate their flamable issues. maybe mixing it with heat resistant elements. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:08:00 -
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Solania Aurae wrote:Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.
I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.
Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work. Trit and Pyerite are minerals, by refining them into elements and recombining them into compounds you would create new and different materials with interesting properties. I would assume one of them would be a lack of reaction with oxygen otherwise we would be using liquid O2 shells.
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Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:08:00 -
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Valid Point wrote:If the only thing that separates ships from falling apart because of atmosphere is a force field, then how come people don't just use EM "bombs" to disable the force field and destroying the ship?
That would confirm my theory on coating the material. Why not? Because it would not work on a coating. Earth. A world outgrown. scared by war and burdend with our advances. A world that is no longer ours. A myth, legend. It could now be thriving, or burned to ash, or even ruled by another race.-á |
Lord Ryan
Donkey Hats
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:12:00 -
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Some reason this one is interesting.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:38:00 -
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My question still stands, wouldn't it be more productive to harness atmospheric bubbles to destroy ships? Instead on beating on ships with conventional weaponry? An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind. -irregardless, I'm with Yolo Swaggins, and the followship of the bling.-á |
Matthew Breau
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:35:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:My question still stands, wouldn't it be more productive to harness atmospheric bubbles to destroy ships? Instead on beating on ships with conventional weaponry?
The best reason why they can't is because it won't work. My guess is, the violent material is combined to make a metal that won't exploded when it touches air. Earth. A world outgrown. scared by war and burdend with our advances. A world that is no longer ours. A myth, legend. It could now be thriving, or burned to ash, or even ruled by another race.-á |
Cipher Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:05:00 -
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Another factor that could possibly contribute is the ways in which the ships are built. Given that our ships are clearly only meant to be used in space it could be easily assumed that the designers simply ignored any principles that would apply within an atmosphere. i.e. principles that architects have to follow when designing buildings today. I'm guessing that a lot of the maths that they use would be very different in space. So then if a ship designed for space suddenly found itself in atmosphere it would just fall to pieces or be crushed.
This is pure speculation however. I am not up to date on my fiction yet and am definitely no architect :) |
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