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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:13:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.
Please. Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario. From the little I've read about it, and it is VERY little mind you, the intention was to create conditions they knew would amount to closing down of most of the clinics. Since they can't ban the practice directly, they needed to do this through conditions, that on the surphase aren't immediately objectionable. Sort of like indirect discrimination. Instead of directly doing what you want to, because you aren't allowed to, you work around that rule by creating new conditions and requirements. This way you don't directly violate the rules, but achieve the wanted results in practice anyway. |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
115
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:29:00 -
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Go to google.
Type "Gay"
Press enter.
300% win.
Equality for all, all for equality. Quafe, doing stupid things faster, and with more energy! |
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1623
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:30:00 -
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The coercive monopoly that rules your geographical area should have no say in whom you decide to marry.
Please join me in not giving a rat's ass about SCOTUS and loving whomever you want. What is "legal," and what is right are hardly ever one in the same, certainly not under the current circumstances. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
516
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:44:00 -
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Tumahub wrote:The coercive monopoly that rules your geographical area should have no say in whom you decide to marry.
Take away the power of the state to decree who you may marry. Who can be ensured. Who can make a hospital visit. etc. by not demanding the people who spy on you and wage war in your name also take care of you.
Freedom from the state is freedom from discrimination, theft, kidnapping, assault, and murder on a massive scale.
Freedom from the state? That's madness!
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind. -irregardless, I'm with Yolo Swaggins, and the followship of the bling.-á |
Anna Hathaway
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Anna Hathaway wrote: You have to go through the paperwork and your spouse's name must be registered as a covered party by the insurance company.
Even this is not an option for partnered same-sex couples. Insurance companies do not let you just 'cover' what to them is just a random stranger. Right, and my full comment stated this ought to be permitted (not a random stranger, but a named dependent).
I had to call out what smelled to me like begging the question (the real one). Apologies if it was simple lack of knowledge. |
Anna Hathaway
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:49:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.
Please. Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario. The bill is actually dead anyway. The Republican governor will not sign it as it did not follow proper procedure: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/us/politics/texas-abortion-bill.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 |
Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
445
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:35:00 -
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Miss Piggy wrote:Tara Read wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Since I'm a raging bigot according to the left, all I'm going to say is that is a very divisive subject.
And, the right is only a speed bump to the left, so you'll get what you want eventually. I feel human rights have no political affiliation. As a Veteran I swore to defend the Constitution and our legally binding documents that state All men are equal and endowed with inalienable rights. It doesn't matter what your political view ALL men are equal. I also feel bitter with what you stated as merely "getting what I want." As if I'm robbing someone else of their Freedoms and Protections. Far from it. You have no clue what it's like rushing your loved one to the ER only to find out your insurance doesn't cover them because you both aren't legally married. I'm still paying the seven thousand dollar hospital bill because of it... Your choice if you opted to get your **** removed and the op went wrong.... That makes you the b.i.t.c.h in your messed up relationship. Messed up relationship not in a religious sense more a oh dear yours is a rather evolutionary faux pas event. All someone needs to do is ban same sex from adopting or artificial means of procreation and jobs a good un. Nature has a way of sorting these things out though........
Nature or **** Concentration camps? In nature over 4000 species have displayed homosexual tendencies. Your comment hardly bodes a response so I will leave it at that.
In other more important news DOMA is unconstitutional and prop 8 has been struck down. I cried. Cried more than I ever have. So many emotions are going through me right now. I also officially proposed to by now Husband to be whom said yes. I can't wait to get home and start our lives in a new direction!
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
22966
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:43:00 -
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Congratulations
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1630
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:49:00 -
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Every time you read a frothing homophobic rant like that, just remember the so-called social contract (a miserable fairy-tale) entitles them to dictate your life to you, so long as they are in the majority.
Personally, I'd rather not have anyone telling me what I can and cannot do with my life (so long as it harms nobody else) than attempt to convince everyone to support my every choice and action.
As it stands, you are lorded over by the moral majority and whether or not you conform to that supposed collective will is the deciding factor on whether or not you are tolerated. Step out of line and you will be condemned for violating an unspoken rule. Step far enough out of line and they will write new laws that restrict your freedom even further.
Reject that coercive power and rally for real freedom. Don't let the supposedly benevolent state grant you some tiny bit of the freedom you are entitled to as a human being and tell you that you should be grateful to them for the honor. If they do "allow," you to be as free as the other serfs, that's wonderful and I am happy for you, but don't forget the struggle for your freedom is not decided from on high. It comes from each and every individual standing up to authoritarians no matter what guise they take. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
405
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:02:00 -
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My issue will never be with gay people. I have several friends who are gay/lesbian/bi and they are some of the best people I know of.
My problem will always stem from the very, very vocal minority who require you to accept them for being gay. You have to accept their lifestyle. You can't do anything to them that they do not explicitly allow you to do. You can't say mean things (but they'll call you something. I believe there's a "derogatory" term in the transgender community: "cis". It's supposed to be a term used to describe people who identify with their sex...for example, "middle-aged cis male". You identify as what you were born as). It's kind of like all these gay pride parades. Hey, cool. You're gay. But if you're requiring us to accept you and are unwilling to listen to even the most ignorant of opinions, you are no better than the "evangelical Christians" and Catholics people love to **** on. You will be as closed-minded as those people.
Something to keep in mind, though: while this is a good decision in terms of socio-economic issues, the Supreme Court ruled yesterday that one does not have the right to the protection of the Fifth Amendment. Now, unless you explicitly state you are invoking your right to remain silent, the prosecution can use your silence as proof of guilt at trial. And even if you do invoke it and say so, it can still be used against you. But that got no mention at all. |
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
22970
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:12:00 -
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I too have been on 4chan and Reddit.
I know of which identity politics you speak.
I will say no further than yes, those people need a hobby.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede! |
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1635
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:12:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:My problem will always stem from the very, very vocal minority who require you to accept them for being gay. You have to accept their lifestyle.
As I mentioned, that's a requirement of the (faux) majority rule system. Laws are put in place by the majority (or more-accurately, by politicians who do things the majority will let them get away with) and in the best interests of their most prominent donors who are usually interested in retaining the moral majority for their own reasons. If you accept the foundtional premises of democracy then it logically follows that anyone who acts in a manner unbecoming to the majority (or the politically connected minority) will present a situation in which the law is used against that person.
Anya Klibor wrote: Something to keep in mind, though: while this is a good decision in terms of socio-economic issues, the Supreme Court ruled yesterday that one does not have the right to the protection of the Fifth Amendment. Now, unless you explicitly state you are invoking your right to remain silent, the prosecution can use your silence as proof of guilt at trial. And even if you do invoke it and say so, it can still be used against you. But that got no mention at all.
Here we have the politically connected minority (who have arguably convinced the majority of their position) decree the degradation of human rights within their fiefdom. Unless you buy the argument that freedom is tyranny and people in uniform or public office are always moral paragons of justice and virtue, then this is tyranny at it's most naked and apparent. The same court who so generously considers giving some rights to gay couples has before-hand taken away rights from the entire population.
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1697
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:23:00 -
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While we're here celebrating this (albeit minor) victory for personal liberty, let's take time to reflect:
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
676
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:10:00 -
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All I will say, without reading any of the thread, is that if the word marriage was taken out of the debate and taken off of the legal paper work there would be zero debate, but no, both sides of the debate refuse to stop using the religious term marriage when it comes to the legal status known as Civil Union. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
23067
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:15:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:All I will say, without reading any of the thread, is that if the word marriage was taken out of the debate and taken off of the legal paper work there would be zero debate, but no, both sides of the debate refuse to stop using the religious term marriage when it comes to the legal status known as Civil Union. Thats what I thought it was, just semantics over a word, it's what it was over here anyway.
To me it seems like a Religion can grant a marriange and the state a Civil Union, and most people call it by the religious term reserved for the church.
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1708
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:40:00 -
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It's semantic; however, the semantics are not unimportant. Tax and social status are at stake when such seemingly provincial terms are in play.
Of course, the more important question is why are those who mug us on a daily basis allowed to turn around and tell us we have to adhere to their checklist of social norms or face an even higher protection money fee as well as not being allowed the basic (ever-decreasing) rights afforded to the majority who follow along. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
333
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Posted - 2013.06.26 22:06:00 -
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Given the origin of the topic in this thread I actually feel sorry to do this, but the OOPE rules are unfortunately quite clear:
3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics.
Still, good luck!
Thread locked.
ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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