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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:26:00 -
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I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.
The problem is - the tags don't drop!
What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.
In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.
In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.
So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!
Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!
Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!
This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.
Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.
Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?
If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.
I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak! Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:31:00 -
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SOE epic arc, 8% boost to the faction of your choice for the penultimate mission.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:32:00 -
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This threa ds going places. And by going I mean straight to and by places I mean HELL.
EVE is not WoW. If you don't want to bomb your standings, don't bomb your standings. Learn what to do and do it, don't be irresponsible. That's the difference between EVE and every other game, YOU are responsible for you enjoyment.
It's why some people want EVe to be like other games, so they don't have to be bothered with thinking. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:36:00 -
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All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.
I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.
Can't you just buy the tags from the market? |
Luis Graca
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:38:00 -
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i can see you're an WOW player after all if you didn't want bad standings with gallente in the first place why did you shoot them |
Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:39:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This threa ds going places. And by going I mean straight to and by places I mean HELL.
EVE is not WoW. If you don't want to bomb your standings, don't bomb your standings. Learn what to do and do it, don't be irresponsible. That's the difference between EVE and every other game, YOU are responsible for you enjoyment.
It's why some people want EVe to be like other games, so they don't have to be bothered with thinking.
Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...I had no ideal that this games racial factions actually mattered because I was always told that in high-sec you can go anywhere and the only thing you need to worry about is can flippers and the occasional wannabe ganker- because I was a miner. I didn't do anything to harm my rating.
Until just recently. I decided to join corp mates running missions.
BTW this has nothing to do with what you went on about....I am talking about fixing my rating. There should be a reasonable way to fix it. EVEN IN WOW - there is a way to fix your ratings that isn't masochistic.
Not in EVE! Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:40:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.
I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.
Can't you just buy the tags from the market?
Lots of people left before panda. Eve finally grappled it's hooks into me.
The only grinding in EVE is the skillque. Everything else is YOUR choice. Lack of imagination/knowledge isn't a valid reason. |
C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:41:00 -
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The reason why eve is the furthest thing from wow is because when an eve character and a wow character jumps from the same spot the eve character ends up several lightyears away while a wow character ends up only on the top of a mailbox. |
Khira Kitamatsu
656
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:42:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.
I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.
Can't you just buy the tags from the market?
Sure...I can waste millions on buying tags - that is not the issue. The issue is I should have a reasonable alternative...not a sadistic, twisted, one....a reasonable one. That is not the case. You try and go collect the required tags needed for the Data Center missions and tell me it is reasonable. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:46:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote: There should be a reasonable way to fix it. There is, the answer you seek is in the first reply. Run the arc, which can be done in a weekend if you're willing to work at it, for the penultimate mission (Dagan) team up with the faction you need a boost for, it's a penalty free boost that won't negatively impact any other faction standings.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:47:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW
EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Khira Kitamatsu
656
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:48:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: There should be a reasonable way to fix it. There is, the answer you seek is in the first reply, run the arc, for the penultimate mission (Dagan) team up with the faction you need a boost for, it's even a penalty free boost as it won't negatively impact any other faction standings.
Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him? Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Khira Kitamatsu
656
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:49:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote:So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.
No it is not.
Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:52:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?
Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's a shitton of missions but they're all easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
Khira Kitamatsu
656
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:58:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?
Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_StarsYou're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.
Thank you!
BTW - as I said in one of my previous post - I primarily was a miner(Orca pilot)...did some transporting - that's it. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Rengerel en Distel
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:58:00 -
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ITT: OP that has only every played WOW and EVE, with no clue that every MMO is grindy in some way or another.
Don't want to grind for tags, you can buy them. Don't way to buy tags, you can run the tutorial missions for gallente. Don't want to run the tutorial missions for gallente, run the SOE arc.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:04:00 -
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GǪsoGǪ exactly what kind of tags were you hunting for, and where? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:08:00 -
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There are no orcs or fairies and less oddball people who get turned on by cat/human hybrid women because they have experience boinking the family pets? |
How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:11:00 -
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The OP claims that that Eve is a grind just like wow...
The op continues do the only thing Eve may have similarities with wow...PVE.
There's a whole other game other than shooting red crosses and roids and it's the game CCP designed for players to abuse. Get out and abuse it and stop complaining about the system.
This is Eve ffs HTFU and shoot someone.
TL:DR Quote: EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.
Edit: Forum mechanics are harder to grasp than ingame. |
Joan Greywind
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
29
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:36:00 -
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The funny thing is that the OP said how different EVE and wow is without even noticing.
In EVE doing missions is different because you actually lose standings when you do them, which is completely different from wow. (In wow you have some factions that hate you when you do "quests" for other factions, but they are they are a rarity.
Now let megive you some differences, in EVE you can actually buy the tags on the market and avoid all the grind, no "bind on pickup" b bullshit. Even when you are pveing in EVE, you can get ganked, items stolen (arguably now), and everything you get from the mission, minning, at least price wise, is affected largely but what the market (players) are supplying and demanding. And at the end pveing is a marginal part of EVE, where it has to be just functioning correctly (no fun intended), whereas the fun part is actually pvp. If you don't pvp in EVE (not neccessarily blowing ships up only, market competition, trading, wh minning, missioning in 0.0 etc..) you are playing the game wrong. |
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:43:00 -
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WoW was more popular in China... Just saying.
They are both Online video games though. Pragmatic logic says they have things in common. My Caldari was -8.00 at one point I think. I just made an alt but I'm lazy that way. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
280
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:EVE is not WoW.
It is in a lot of ways.
No game is immune from copying from other games. The industry is full of doing it. There's only so many ways to time sink, anyway.
The only difference between EvE and WoW is EvE is a space sim themed, WoW is a high fantasy themed.
When you stop fighting about the games itself, you then can appreciate both. And also understand marketing 101 better, let alone understanding that the MMO community is quite small and recycles the same pool of players. So every time you diss WoW, Jenn, you are dissing EvE players too. Few only play one MMO, we cycle through 2+ (or may even play 4 at a time...I used too).
PR wise, you're not helping EvE.
Time to take a chill pill, and just acknowledge the 800lb gorilla in the room exists, accept it and strive to make EvE at least equal in quality and performance (if anything Blizzard has is really good production standards, as they're the MMO leader and any slip they get chewed out for...which is why competition is healthy, especially for gamers as gamers get better games!). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:02:00 -
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the difference is .. that you actually care you have lost standing with gallente because of the consequences..
i thought i had found a sweet lil gig around gallente space ..
i would go out and find these statically spawning cruisers in high sec and kill them they would drop some decent loot at times so i booked marked em and would farm them .
one day i was checking my standing and i noticed i was loosing caldari standing like crazy .. and the reason was because i was destroying caldari navy cruisers . well i had to make a choice then ..
regardless.
in eve your choices has consequences that effect how you experience the game .
welcome to eve.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
280
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:18:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote: in eve your choices has consequences that effect how you experience the game .
No different than what you experience in WoW. If you didn't grind that Shado-Pan rep in 5.1, and RNG didn't play fair, you weren't getting the gear. No gear is like no skills in EvE, and it sucks.
There's really not much difference in these MMOs. In EvE the only RNG you really face is what loot that may drop from a ship, but it won't effect how you play in itself (as you can just buy it...all that faction gear is up for sale). WoW soulbound gear can't be sold, if you didn't get it from a drop, it's not on the market to buy. The game can be a real grind especially for tier pieces for their bonuses.
EvE gates content by making it expensive to PvP or have prime areas controlled by some blob. WoW gates content by instance timers and RNG for loot drops and making the best gear soulbound.
So if someone is complaining that raising their security status in EvE reminds them of the 5.1 faction grind in WoW, they are right, it's very similar (although the better description would be the PvP faction grind, that in WoW hasn't changed. To get that Justicar title takes longer than COSMOs rep...I'll get the COSMOs rep to 5.0 before the WoW BG faction rep to exalted, despite 3 years of grinding). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:38:00 -
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Disagree with your argument.
if you want to black and white it however then all games are no different than one another just different skins warped around what you can and cant do. What makes games unique is what the player is allowed to invest into them . this is where eve and wow differ and varies greatly on how you value that investment . eve allows players to invest their time into a large meta verse.
wow allows players to invest their time into arguably more shallow game of gear grinding and one up man ship. but that really depends on you how view things and unfortunately i am unable to see pass my own prejudice aginst wow. however i have customers who are invested heavily into wow so there is something to that game that they clearly value
again its a matter of perception .
this perceived difference is enough to conclude that wow and eve are two entirely different games. Again its how the game allows the players to interact within that world . and whether those players are satisfied with that interaction .
Also im not sure about that whole palyer recyling thing, as this market keeps growing and expanding into new branches .
new players are coming in daily and searching for new games to play . I my self have been taking aback by the success of the free to play markets and how many B titles there are their longevity. some how these titles retain and also mange to keep paying players, old and new . something that surprised me was that anarchy online just had its 12th anniversary and somehow they have enough funding and justification to renew the gaming engine.
if it was the same player being recycled time after time we wouldnt see the breath of diversity that we do in mmorpg market (granted diversity is a loosely used term here ) Because i believe that pool would be tapped out at some point and the money would not be their any more.
As far as dissing goes it comes with the territory . game dissing has been around since the days of orgeon trail being totally wiz over spacewar and vice versa..
and im sure those who had access to those games back then looked down on their board game playing flunkeys.
gaming breeds this attitude through its competitive nature and we all will be playing one game thats better than the other forever . its so low level its even prevalent in physical sports , just ask curling fans vs hokey fans.
in the end its all part of the fun . and that is what it boils down to . what do you have fun doing most .
playing eve ? playing wow ?
or trolling forums ?
as for me as much as i hate to admit it i seem to enjoy option number 3 the most ...
Ace Uoweme wrote:Sri Nova wrote: in eve your choices has consequences that effect how you experience the game . No different than what you experience in WoW. If you didn't grind that Shado-Pan rep in 5.1, and RNG didn't play fair, you weren't getting the gear. No gear is like no skills in EvE, and it sucks. There's really not much difference in these MMOs. In EvE the only RNG you really face is what loot that may drop from a ship, but it won't effect how you play in itself (as you can just buy it...all that faction gear is up for sale). WoW soulbound gear can't be sold, if you didn't get it from a drop, it's not on the market to buy. The game can be a real grind especially for tier pieces for their bonuses. EvE gates content by making it expensive to PvP or have prime areas controlled by some blob. WoW gates content by instance timers and RNG for loot drops and making the best gear soulbound. So if someone is complaining that raising their security status in EvE reminds them of the 5.1 faction grind in WoW, they are right, it's very similar (although the better description would be the PvP faction grind, that in WoW hasn't changed. To get that Justicar title takes longer than COSMOs rep...I'll get the COSMOs rep to 5.0 before the WoW BG faction rep to exalted, despite 3 years of grinding). And it's good to see that CCP is watching the gorilla, and adjusting EvE to not make the same mistakes and keeping up with the trends (loved the Cata barb with the resource changes -- and Cata was h-a-t-e-d in WoW, it's regarded as the worst expansion because it changed so much so fast and literally destroyed the world itself). The whine in MoP has been the long rep grind, EvE is making it easier to gain faction. That's how to shop and market for those 300,000 WoW unsubs (a consistent amount of players who keep unsubbing), too. WoW has so many players, and when so many don't like X, the competition marking Y as a fix, gains. BUT, never try to clone WoW. If a franchise can't be as good as WoW, it will fail (players have their mains in WoW for years, no point leaving it or their friends/family -- why so many MMOs fail, they all return home after 30 days or so). The best EvE can do is when WoW becomes boring is to be the alternative MMO, especially for those who are finished farming between patches. You have to tease them out, and alienating players is not the way to gain them -- and you want them as niche gaming doesn't draw in the cash so needed for development as game design isn't getting any cheaper. It's a snipering game to raise subs...and they won't stay...as the MMO community recycles the same players. This is why you don't alienate them, diss WoW, you diss your own community and vice-versa. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:14:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote: but that really depends on how view things and unfortunately i am unable to see pass my own prejudice aginst wow.
When you play both games, you'll see they're not that much different in scope.
So when I see comments about WoW is easier, I know that's untrue from experience. Actual game play is harder in WoW, EvE has higher consequences. So they balance each other out on the difficulty meter.
Now on the crafting side...yeah, EvE is m-u-c-h more comprehensive. No cutting 20 stacks of gems by a mailbox deal in EvE. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan
0
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:26:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Sri Nova wrote: but that really depends on how view things and unfortunately i am unable to see pass my own prejudice aginst wow.
When you play both games, you'll see they're not that much different in scope. So when I see comments about WoW is easier, I know that's untrue from experience. Actual game play is harder in WoW, EvE has higher consequences. So they balance each other out on the difficulty meter. Now on the crafting side...yeah, EvE is m-u-c-h more comprehensive. No cutting 20 stacks of gems by a mailbox deal in EvE.
How does one infiltrate a Guild in WoW, steal everything, close it down, make half a dozen players quit for life, and not only not get banned but get a big pat on the back by the GMs for original thinking?
I said to my mom I said "Hey, mom, what's up with all the sauerkraut?" And my dear, sweet mother She just looked at me like a cow looks at an oncoming train, and she leaned right down next to me and she said, "IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!!!" |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
11
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:58:00 -
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I am now starting to understand all those nerf highsec threads.
To the OP, you can't approach EVE with the same mentality as wow. There are fundamental differences in the gameplay that require totally different approaches. |
Gealbhan
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
308
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:08:00 -
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And I'll just leave this here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online |
Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan
0
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:10:00 -
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Yahtzee is an idiot.
Buff his animator, nerf him.
You can be anything you want to be Just turn yourself into anything you think that you could ever be Be free with your tempo, be free, be free Surrender your ego - be free, be free to yourself |
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