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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:28:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things.
Until just recently. I decided to join corp mates running missions.
So CCP forced you to decide to run missions instead of mining?
Sounds like a lot of butthurt hurf blurf derp derp "I didn't pay attention to the game mechanics before I started something I had never done before" to me.
If you want to improve your standings with the Gallente, train Diplomacy until you're no longer KOS to their navy and then go run Gallente missions.
You can even do MINING missions, which have a very low chance of screwing up your standings with anyone else.
tl;dr: This is your fault, not CCPs. Next time, become informed BEFORE making the decision.
Also, to answer the question from the OP: this is EXACTLY why Eve is the furthest thing from WoW. In Eve, your choices have long term consequences that will directly impact your play. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
472
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I NOW SUMMON YE OH GREAT DEEPONE ACE UOWEME!! KALI MA! KALI MA! K'THULHU F'TANG!
You should be careful with that stuff
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
903
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:34:00 -
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So, here you have WOW
And there you have Eve
They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
472
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:41:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:So, here you have WOW And there you have Eve They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels.
PLUS
Neither are Candy Crush Saga
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
319
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:49:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:So, here you have WOW And there you have Eve They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels. PLUS Neither are Candy Crush Saga
Which has more players than both EVE and WOW combined! I demand we make EVE more like Candy Crush! If we're really serious about the game, CCP has to acknowledge that their business model is wrong in comparison to Candy Crush!
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Psst, guess who I was imitating? :P Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
472
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:So, here you have WOW And there you have Eve They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels. PLUS Neither are Candy Crush Saga Which has more players than both EVE and WOW combined! I demand we make EVE more like Candy Crush! If we're really serious about the game, CCP has to acknowledge that their business model is wrong in comparison to Candy Crush! ... Psst, guess who I was imitating? :P
Shhh dont say that name, it may summon.... the unkind one
Well, the one that isn't me
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
321
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:56:00 -
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Quote:Shhh dont say that name, it may summon.... the unkind one
Well, the one that isn't me
I think this is applicable. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
TheButcherPete
The James Gang SpaceMonkey's Alliance
289
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:06:00 -
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Ohgod, not the "RAHRAH STANDINGS DON'T WORK PROPERLY!" thread again. THE KING OF EVE RADIO
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
6740
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:thinking. THINKING?
Jenn aSide wrote:thinking. THINKING?!?!?!
You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
91
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:20:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:thinking. THINKING? Jenn aSide wrote:thinking. THINKING?!?!?!
I have no idea what you are saying, but I'm thinking I agree. |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1231
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:27:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?
Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_StarsYou're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.
Kudos to you for helping that person's lost soul. BTW, I'd no idea about this arc to fix standing. So I can understand. Not that my standing was ever messed up to the point I needed to fix it. A mentor told me long ago..."Do not run faction missions". It's a mantra I live by to this day. Thank God I live in w-space.
But many of you should understand that there are plenty of things about this game that people who've played for years don't know. Noone can know it all.
I will definitely file this in a note for those I run across that don't want to grind roid belts to increase standing.
HTFU!...for the children! |
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:34:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?
Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_StarsYou're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things. Thank you! BTW - as I said in one of my previous post - I primarily was a miner(Orca pilot)...did some transporting - that's it.
In the SoE epic arc Im over halfway through and everything dies really fast in a PVE fit Thrasher piloted with 1.3mil SPs.. .
My fit sits just under 140 DPS.
I've read that to solo Dagan at the end you need to do at least 100 DPS. I'm guessing I should be fine. Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2299
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:43:00 -
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This thread tells me that the EVE client is incomplete.
CCP should add a suiteto the EVE client that searches a system that has EVE on it for any trace of another MMO (except ultima online...except trammel). If yes = force delete EVE client + explode hard drive just to make sure. |
Steve WingYip
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave
1105
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:57:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente. The problem is - the tags don't drop! What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them. In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need. In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count. So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating! Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!! Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW! This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay. Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold. Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together? If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW. I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak!
Read the title and laughed. Thanks for todays mini entertainment. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
9408
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:01:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?
Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_StarsYou're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things. Kudos to you for helping that person's lost soul. BTW, I'd no idea about this arc to fix standing. So I can understand. Not that my standing was ever messed up to the point I needed to fix it. A mentor told me long ago..."Do not run faction missions". It's a mantra I live by to this day. Thank God I live in w-space. But many of you should understand that there are plenty of things about this game that people who've played for years don't know. Noone can know it all. I will definitely file this in a note for those I run across that don't want to grind roid belts to increase standing. The SOE arc is normally suggested by an agent at the end of the tutorials, which is why I assumed (DOH!) that people knew about it.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:19:00 -
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I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.
WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...
IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!
So far I see the SkillQueue minigame as the only real grind. I'm parked in hisec carebearing my way to a few more million sheckles and then I'm off to better things.
TBH I don't see your point OP.
tl;dr: I can't believe were having a WoW vs EVE flamewar... please stop. Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
286
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:22:00 -
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Tixam Quri wrote:I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.
WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...
IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!
Huh?
You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
476
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:24:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Tixam Quri wrote:I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.
WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...
IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!
Huh? You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?
I can see now why you need to hide in a noob corp
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1654
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:28:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Tixam Quri wrote:I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.
WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...
IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!
Huh? You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?
I'm going to dispute the "equally" part of your statement. Eve is only a grindfest if you choose to make it one. There are plenty of people who play every day without grinding a single ISK, LP, or anything else. In Wow, if you want to advance, you HAVE to grind. You have to grind to get skills, you have to grind to get levels, you have to grind to get gear. And once you reach the end game you have to keep grinding to stay on top.
In Eve, you grind exactly as much as you CHOOSE to. That makes all the difference.
The question I'd really like answered is this one:
If you dislike Eve as much as you appear to on the forums, why are you still playing it? I mean that seriously. Why are you subjecting yourself to a voluntary experience that you dislike that much? Do you also routinely volunteer for skin abrasions, public flogging, and being water boarded? Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:31:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Tixam Quri wrote:I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.
WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...
IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!
Huh? You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?
Maybe you should get the **** off my lawn and back into the sandbox? Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:36:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote: In Eve, you grind exactly as much as you CHOOSE to. That makes all the difference.
^^^ This
EVE doesn't make me feel like I HAVE TO log on. Except to keep my SkillQueue minigame fully functional, which is the only real grind in the game that I have seen so far (as I previously stated). Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
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Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
42
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:37:00 -
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I don't know if it has been said - don't have time to read all replies, but if you haven't already, train up connections skill to 2, pick an agent and stick with him, and once connections are up you should see level 2 missions appear which means you are in fine standing with your people again. I don't know what you were going on about with no tags dropping - you mean navy tags from loot? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15262
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:11:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoGǪ exactly what kind of tags were you hunting for, and where? I see what you're doing there Actually, probably not.
I just have this distinct feeling that the OP is looking in the wrong place. Different tags have different sources, and not all rats are good for that kind of grinding. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Khira Kitamatsu
658
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:25:00 -
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Oh my...look at all the wonderful help and comments - thank you all so much. EVE has such a great game community...best ever. Thanks for all the help.
Oh and if you are a noob player reading this thread...be aware that your player faction standing does matter! Watch it carefully. Otherwise, you'll find yourself not able to travel peacefully through certain parts of space.
Again - to all those that commented - you people are the best - just awesome! Love you all! Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:28:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Oh my...look at all the wonderful help and comments - thank you all so much. EVE has such a great game community...best ever. Thanks for all the help.
Your question was literally answered by the first reply, yet here you are on page 5 still mewing like a wounded kitten.
And it's the "game community" that has a problem.
Right.
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Solderan
Many Reckless Crews Many Reckless Corps
16
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:02:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote: op Im doing it wrong Paraphrased your op for you.
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Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
287
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:05:00 -
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EVE is not the furthest thing from WoW. It's not conclusive, but at one time astronomers believed Abell 1835 IR1916 was the furthest thing from WoW. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2303
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:18:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:
The question I'd really like answered is this one:
If you dislike Eve as much as you appear to on the forums, why are you still playing it? I mean that seriously. Why are you subjecting yourself to a voluntary experience that you dislike that much? Do you also routinely volunteer for skin abrasions, public flogging, and being water boarded?
Been asking that question for years, and never once got answer let alone a rational one. I doubt you'll get answer as well.
Not only because they don't know (they being the people who hate on and gripe about EVE but still play it), but because they aren't honest enough with themselves to even begin to ask themselves that question. They probably understand that if they dug to deep into their actions and motivations they'd not like what they see, and folks like that can't take too many hits to the ego :) .
As it is in game it is in real life. I've worked with people who never had anything good to say about the job or our particular organization...and they do so year after year, collecting pay check after pay check. But If you listen to them, ours is the worst organization of it's kind EVER.
But they never even try to leave and work elsewhere.. Other people come in, like the job but want better and actually do leave. Others of us like the job and stay on till retirement. But these gripe-masters take the cake. If I hated ANYTHING just a fraction as much as they claim to hate our job, I'd leave and not look back.
Imagine my surprise to find the same kinds of people in a video game that's 100% voluntary and that does not provide any kind of food, shelter and/or clothing to anyone but CCP employees and a few shadowy Eastern European RMTrs (lol) . |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1476
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:23:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote: What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.
It's funny how you answered your Title question in your first post. EVE is further from WoW, for the exact reason above that you try to claim they are the same.
In EVE, you have REAL loss, and REAL consequences to your actions. In Wow you can make a "mistake" and find a relatively easy way to fix it. In EVE those mistakes can really hurt. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1655
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:24:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:
The question I'd really like answered is this one:
If you dislike Eve as much as you appear to on the forums, why are you still playing it? I mean that seriously. Why are you subjecting yourself to a voluntary experience that you dislike that much? Do you also routinely volunteer for skin abrasions, public flogging, and being water boarded?
Been asking that question for years, and never once got answer let alone a rational one. I doubt you'll get answer as well.
I know. I never get an answer either. Usually just misdirection, an abrupt change of subject, or an ad hominem.
But I keep trying. Hope is a virtue, even when it chances to be misplaced. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
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