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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
Shame on you for using a Worg as a WoW referrence while mentioning D&D in the same post!
Take it back take it back!
Shame on you for suggesting they originated in D&D and not Tolkien
That's where D&D came from =)
Not that I'm saying they ORIGINATED from there... but mentioning the 2 in the same breath is a no-no =P "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Lost True
Paradise project
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:10:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcanis wrote:
What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?
Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it... in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:12:00 -
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Lost True wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcanis wrote:
What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?
Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it...
Plus points: Miranda Class as starter ship. It uses Star Fleet Battles as a basis for its combat. It has WiS.
Against: Most people make the starter ship look terrible by changing its look. There's lots of things in STO that arent in Star Trek. Its set in Rick Berman's Ruined Universe TM. My PC wont run it. It has WiS.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:13:00 -
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Lost True wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcanis wrote:
What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?
Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it...
I play quite a few different games. Noone is saying you need to play just 1 game, or even 1 game of a specific genre.
To each their own.
Just, it's the players that define what game is what and why each game is a separate entity. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:15:00 -
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EVE really isn't a PVE game .... maybe it has added a tiny bit more , PVE but any try to look at it's PVE as a quality check on the game entirely misses the larger context in which the "undesired" element sits... the portions of the game are not compartmentalized... the standings thing effects your other portions of the game by design.
EVE does put little red boxes in space are just ways for work a day players to get ISK generated out of no - where and put in their accounts so I can take it from them trading. Making money pop from no where is PVE
The sec status and standing mechanics are a bit clumsy. It never has been the center of the game and is just there to add a few pivot points by having consequences for one choice or another. The consequences work.
No, don't go finding tags.... find ways to make isk to buy the tags.. ways you might enjoy. Research other ways to get standing as you are doing HERE ... TALKIing to other PLayers on forums etc is PART of EVE. You need to talk to people. (via typing conversation or verbal conversation) ... nothing is laid out for players who can't find a way to converse with others and get pointed to where they can learn more incrementally.
In the end it is primarily a Group PvP experience where things like standing are just little thorns in the road to keep you always on your toes wherever you walk.
There is single player PvP in the markets. No, you don't need to kill another players character to have it be pvp. In a board game PvP was either the fighting type.. like a 12 year old landing his piece on top of the others in "Sorry" or "Trouble" and sending his little buddies piece to start again from zero. Or rolling the dice and buying the Oranges in Monopoly , building Motels on them and taking all the other players money when they land on your pieces by charging them rent.
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With the othwer game, WoW has evolved from a PVE game to a guided tour.... sort of like a Disneyland Wild Jungle Boat Ride.
That's not all bad.. its like being in a Star Wars or Raiders of the last Arc button and being able to spam some buttons that might help the hero make it through the movie.
You keep watching the same scene of the movie until your section of the theater mashes the buttons adequately and then you get given a Purple sticker for one of your 16 spots on your name card. If it takes a few weeks of re watching the movie they start maing the button mashing easier and they give more stickers out other ways (its easier to get through with more stickers) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:44:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:Raiders of the last Arc
LOST ARK
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:55:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:You can't tell me that the Beacon->holy light spam was more interesting than what replaced it. For the love of god, my 2 key was all but broken.
When I was healing ICC everything was used even DI. Get a stamina stacking tank that isn't geared or knew about using CDs well, it's pulling like 43% of all the healing in a freaking 25man raid. I never had the luxury of "endless mana" (base MP5 with GS 6000+ gear was under 300; raid buff a tad over 600) or just Holy Light spamming.
Besides, it was at the minimum 3 keys: Beacon with 1min timer | Sacred Shield with a 1min timer | Holy Light. But the real healing was all that and Holy Shock; Cleansing (a-l-o-t of it in WotLK); Hand of Sacrifice; Divine Plea; popping wings during hero.
So if you two buttoned healed you weren't the raid anchor (lead tank healer). 10mans if not the lead healer, possibly.
It's why I liked WotLK healing. Mess up, it's a wipe. A healer had to be on the ball, not drunk or on drugs. In Cata, after all those healing changes, you can goto sleep and still save the raid (Dragon Soul was the worst raid ever in WoW), and it had the one button spam called Holy Radiance. Pure boring healing. It's the same in MoP. I even don't bother to do LFR, so boring I'd rather log out and read the news. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.07.01 16:12:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:You can't tell me that the Beacon->holy light spam was more interesting than what replaced it. For the love of god, my 2 key was all but broken. When I was healing ICC everything was used even DI. Get a stamina stacking tank that isn't geared or knew about using CDs well, it's pulling like 43% of all the healing in a freaking 25man raid. I never had the luxury of "endless mana" (base MP5 with GS 6000+ gear was under 300; raid buff a tad over 600) or just Holy Light spamming. Besides, it was at the minimum 3 keys: Beacon with 1min timer | Sacred Shield with a 1min timer | Holy Light. But the real healing was all that and Holy Shock; Cleansing (a-l-o-t of it in WotLK); Hand of Sacrifice; Divine Plea; popping wings during hero. So if you two buttoned healed you weren't the raid anchor (lead tank healer). 10mans if not the lead healer, possibly. It's why I liked WotLK healing. Mess up, it's a wipe. A healer had to be on the ball, not drunk or on drugs. In Cata, after all those healing changes, you can goto sleep and still save the raid (Dragon Soul was the worst raid ever in WoW), and it had the one button spam called Holy Radiance. Pure boring healing. It's the same in MoP. I even don't bother to do LFR, so boring I'd rather log out and read the news. PvP healing was the last thing left for me that still required fast and furious healing. 5.3 PvP changes, not worth it. 5.4 I can't tell, but doubt much will change, as the basic mechanics are unchanged from Cata. Nah, whenever I healed, it was because we didn't have anyone else around to do it. I was maintank for my ICC10 group, and secondary for the ICC25. Didn't get shoved completely into the ret role until near the end of Cata, because we had ******** dps who screwed up a lot on the Ultraxion HM25 encounter, so they had me go ret since I could function as competent dps as well as an explosion soak.
You never healed DS25HM did you? Especially if/when you were having to be a mobile healer during that godawful fight with all of the tentacles and eyestalks and ****, and in relatively crap gear because you were progression raiding? You'll have to forgive me for not remembering raid boss names from over a year and a half ago. Don't even get me started on that annoyance that way the actual 2 part DW encounter on HM25. Listening to our lead healer about to pull his hair out over some of the screw ups people were making was fairly hilarious. |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.01 16:57:00 -
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I always said tags were a bad idea, a WoW-ification, if you will, of Eve. Nobody ever listens to me. I thought it was due to the lessening of consequences, since consequences is what makes Eve great. Apparently it induces WoW-like grinding as well.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
521
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Posted - 2013.07.01 17:00:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:I always said tags were a bad idea, a WoW-ification, if you will, of Eve. Nobody ever listens to me. I thought it was due to the lessening of consequences, since consequences is what makes Eve great. Apparently it induces WoW-like grinding as well.
Malcanis wrote:
You're aware that those tags aren't free, right?
What would you do If you were asked to give up your tags for freedom? What would you do If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice?
Would you think about all them people Who gave up everything they had? Would you think about all them Fountain War Vets And would you start to feel bad?
Tags ain't free They costs folks like you and me And if we don't all chip in We'll never pay that bill Tags ain't free No, there's a hefty in' fee. And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five Who will?
What would you do If someone told you to fight for tags? Would you answer the call Or run away like a little ***? 'Cause the only reason that you're here Is 'cause folks died for you in the past So maybe now it's your turn To die kicking some ass
Tags ain't free They costs folks like you and me And if we don't all chip in We'll never pay that bill Tags ain't free Now there's a hefty in' fee And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five Who will?
You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will? Oooh buck 'o five Tags cost a buck 'o five
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