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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
10
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:49:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad? I've read about your gaming in here and admire your efforts from what I have read. Why you would support PLEX I can not understand, as it is completely counter to the values of gaming in every sense. Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk! Take away the plex and you'll be left only with REAL GAMERS!
Decent troll attempt on your part I must admit . I put the OP down to you being a newb. Once more for the record...
It's been explained to you that PLEX are not free, you are trading with another player for game time. Those who can make a decent amount of ISK can buy game time from players. Players who may not have time or experience to make ISK can get it through cash. This is simply a formal version of my flatmate pays my sub, in return I build him ships. Nobody is playing for free.
Since neither skills trained nor player skill are affected by ISK this is not P2W. Even the most expensive ships get torn apart in the face of focus fire.
Because PLEX are traded between players on the open market supply and demand brings it into balance.
The greatest benefits of PLEX are:
- More players to shoot / trade with. - Healthier economy from more ISK needing to be generated. - Players can trade Cash for ISK risk free and the money goes to CCP instead of RMTs
Honestly though, you are just coming off as another troll. You are insulting and irrational and you don't make any valid point.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
474
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:50:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad? I've read about your gaming in here and admire your efforts from what I have read. Why you would support PLEX I can not understand, as it is completely counter to the values of gaming in every sense. Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk! Take away the plex and you'll be left only with REAL GAMERS!
Real casual gamers you mean
I think your XboX is getting lonely without you
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2300
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:52:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it. CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now. Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it).
New Word, WoWhore.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
474
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:57:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it. CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now. Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it). New Word, WoWhore.
Isnt EvE cheaper than 14.95 (Colony Bills) (I dont know what that is in Imperial Money)
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1204
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:03:00 -
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The Op post is a troll.....it MUST be Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
141
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:07:00 -
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ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.
On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. A game is P2W if you can buy overpowered stuff for money which is not achievable by normal gameplay. You can actually get all ships and stuff in the game on the market for ISK. So there is no P2W. Ask Hilmar about "gold Ammo". No such thing.
If you think people who sell 20 PLEX to buy some shiny ships are "better" you need to play more. Those P2W guys you are talking about are most of the times the ones that get blown up in Level 4 missions flying officer fitted loot pinatas.
Also you do not need to "grind" in EVE. You can easily earn 3-4 Plex per day if you have the know-how and a little luck. You also do not become "a hero" in EVE thanks to Money/PLEX or buying a char..who told you this ****?
There is also no F2P in EVE as every PLEX is originally bought for real money....
Dear god this thread is so bad i don`t even...
On a side note i play for almost 8 years now with breaks in between but i always pay my subs with CC. Now what?
Also you realize all that PLEX money would just end up in some chinese RMT ISK store and the money would be lost to CCP forever while thanks to PLEX it stays with EVE and supports it.
Must stop now...can`t take anmyorgghlhgllglorrk. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
9409
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:09:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: Isnt EvE cheaper than 14.95 (Colony Bills) (I dont know what that is in Imperial Money)
Sub in the UK is -ú10 which is equivalent to $15.28
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
286
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:20:00 -
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Abon wrote:ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.
On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W.
People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
141
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:54:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.
On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally.
Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue.
Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Insidious Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:56:00 -
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Elliavir wrote:Lexmana wrote:Franco Stein wrote:been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
PLEX was a brilliant idea by CCP. It means they can avoid crappy F2P mechanics that doesn't suit a game like EVE and keep the subscription model while fighting RMT at the same time. If you have a better idea than PLEX, please enlighten us. I second the "PLEX was a brilliant idea" comment. And I subscribe. It adds so much flexibility to the game - that's a whole different thread though (101 Uses for PLEX!). One of the most underappreciated things about it is, I think, that it provides a steady currency sink in addition to the game mechanics of ship loss and consumables and such. Every PLEX sold for ISK is that many ISK gone forever once that PLEX is used. It's another balance against the endless in-game ISK-printing machines. Keeping the currency inflow and outflow somewhat on par with each other keeps this economy from spinning into WoW levels of hyperinflation. Which has the added benefit of CCP not having to add in new currencies every patch.
How exactly does plex take money out of the economy? When you buy a plex the money goes to the seller so it just moves money around except for the pittance paid in broker fees for that order. |
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Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
141
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:17:00 -
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brinelan wrote:Elliavir wrote:Lexmana wrote:Franco Stein wrote:been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
PLEX was a brilliant idea by CCP. It means they can avoid crappy F2P mechanics that doesn't suit a game like EVE and keep the subscription model while fighting RMT at the same time. If you have a better idea than PLEX, please enlighten us. I second the "PLEX was a brilliant idea" comment. And I subscribe. It adds so much flexibility to the game - that's a whole different thread though (101 Uses for PLEX!). One of the most underappreciated things about it is, I think, that it provides a steady currency sink in addition to the game mechanics of ship loss and consumables and such. Every PLEX sold for ISK is that many ISK gone forever once that PLEX is used. It's another balance against the endless in-game ISK-printing machines. Keeping the currency inflow and outflow somewhat on par with each other keeps this economy from spinning into WoW levels of hyperinflation. Which has the added benefit of CCP not having to add in new currencies every patch. How exactly does plex take money out of the economy? When you buy a plex the money goes to the seller so it just moves money around except for the pittance paid in broker fees for that order.
If you convert the PLEX to game time the PLEX is gone and you are about 500 mill poorer. With the PLEX destroyed/converted its money value is removed from the economy and cannot be resold etc.
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KracKstar
Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities
24
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:21:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute. REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..
Don't buy Plex.
NO |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15266
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:24:00 -
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Abon wrote:If you convert the PLEX to game time the PLEX is gone and you are about 500 mill poorer. With the PLEX destroyed/converted its money value is removed from the economy and cannot be resold etc. GǪexcept that no conversion happens, and no money is removed.
Aside from sales taxes, PLEX are pretty much completely economy-neutral. They enter the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK or items. They pass through the economy while generating a couple of tax sinking. And then they exit the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK and items.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
141
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abon wrote:If you convert the PLEX to game time the PLEX is gone and you are about 500 mill poorer. With the PLEX destroyed/converted its money value is removed from the economy and cannot be resold etc. GǪexcept that no conversion happens, and no money is removed. Aside from sales taxes, PLEX are pretty much completely economy-neutral. They enter the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK or items. They pass through the economy while generating a couple of tax sinking. And then they exit the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK and items.
Oh **** well i forgot how it enters the market... Scrap my response then! |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:34:00 -
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Abon wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.
On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally. Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue. Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with.
Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible.
It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing.
So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:35:00 -
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Sometimes I do Get tired of reading through these forums about risk v reward when a vast majority play for free. What risk do you have other than wanting to pad your killboard stats? none - -
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Franco Stein
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:37:00 -
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Abon wrote:ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology. On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. A game is P2W if you can buy overpowered stuff for money which is not achievable by normal gameplay. You can actually get all ships and stuff in the game on the market for ISK. So there is no P2W. Ask Hilmar about "gold Ammo". No such thing. If you think people who sell 20 PLEX to buy some shiny ships are "better" you need to play more. Those P2W guys you are talking about are most of the times the ones that get blown up in Level 4 missions flying officer fitted loot pinatas. Also you do not need to "grind" in EVE. You can easily earn 3-4 Plex per day if you have the know-how and a little luck. You also do not become "a hero" in EVE thanks to Money/PLEX or buying a char..who told you this ****? There is also no F2P in EVE as every PLEX is originally bought for real money.... Dear god this thread is so bad i don`t even... On a side note i play for almost 8 years now with breaks in between but i always pay my subs with CC. Now what? Also you realize all that PLEX money would just end up in some chinese RMT ISK store and the money would be lost to CCP forever while thanks to PLEX it stays with EVE and supports it. Must stop now...can`t take anmyorgghlhgllglorrk.
Dude, you are taking CRAZY pills.....
Answer me this?
I CAN BUY GEAR... 1) Can I use REAL Money to BUY PLEX to Sell in game to buy a better ship then what you had or have earned? Ships in this game are like GEAR in others. Players have to do missions to get GEAR in almost ALL other games, these missions are sometimes a grind, but they are performed by the player and are therefore EARNED in game. Earning a ship (GEAR) in game is fine.... buying it with REAL Money is PAY TO WIN..... if you think otherwise you are just fooling yourself...
I CAN BUY SKILLS 2) Can you BUY with REAL MONEY a Character to that has better skills then the one I took the time to skill on my own.... Why, YES you can... and this somehow isn't pay to win... you can with enough money buy a 156m sp toon..... CRAZY PILLS again.
I CAN BUY ADVANTAGE 3) Can you Multi-Box is this game to have an advantage over other players? Why, YES you can..... So there is NO PVP in this game.... it's fake and all a cheat code.
ANSWER ME THIS SMART GUY......
1) What would happen if you REMOVED PLEX from this GAME? 2) Removed the ability to HAVE MULTIPLE Clients Open at the same time?
I think it would be a game then.... look up what a challenge is sometime and then look up what an EXPLOIT is? |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
950
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:40:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.
On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally. Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue. Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with. Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible. It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing. So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too). multiboxing is P2W?
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:41:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote: Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!
Where can I get PLEX for free?
Help, please.
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Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
141
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:41:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.
On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally. Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue. Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with. Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible. It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing. So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too).
Point is it would also be happening if there would be no PLEX. Do you think somebody who invests that kind of money into hardware to run 40+ clients cares about sub fees. I don`t think so. I multibox and i never use PLEX soo... Basically every MMO is P2W following that logic as stated by yourself. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15268
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:44:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible. Multiboxing is P2W in the same sense as being 5 players rather than 4 is P2W, i.e. not at allGǪ and its being allowed and possible is completely unconnected to the existence of PLEX. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Franco Stein
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:45:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Franco Stein wrote: Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!
Where can I get PLEX for free? Help, please.
Simple.... scam the guy that bought it from a RL Vendor so he could buy gear to compete with you. |
Franco Stein
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible. Multiboxing is P2W in the same sense as being 5 players rather than 4 is P2W, i.e. not at allGǪ and its being allowed and possible is completely unconnected to the existence of PLEX.
WRONG.... If there was no PLEX, and a player had to actually subscribe each and every account and pay $ 75 a month for those 5 accounts in Real money.... There would be far less multiboxing... and if the client didn't allow multi-session it would solve that issue as well.... but we all know that will never happen, unless you don't buy PLEX... |
Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Ace Uoweme]Multiboxing is completely unconnected to the existence of PLEX.
lol to the "existence" no. But does multiboxing provide easier means to obtain it, yes.
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Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
285
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:51:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Multiboxing IS P2W... Except that they're usually mining, and mining is the antithesis of "winning." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15268
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:54:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:WRONG.... If there was no PLEX, and a player had to actually subscribe each and every account and pay $ 75 a month for those 5 accounts in Real money.... There would be far less multiboxing... and if the client didn't allow multi-session it would solve that issue as well.... but we all know that will never happen, unless you don't buy PLEX... GÇ£IssueGÇ¥? What issue? And how is the software design in any way connected to PLEX?
And no, it's not wrong, as proven by history. Multiboxing would (and did) exist just fine before PLEX were around. In fact, if anything, the hare-brained notion that multiboxing is somehow P2W proves that PLEX is the opposite of P2W: the guy who doesn't pay wins by virtue of having all those accounts for free without himself paying any real-life cash for them. But then, having more people around is not P2W to begin with, and neither is PLEX since there is no GÇ£winGÇ¥ to be bought.
Oh, and no, disallowing multiple instances of the client would not stop multiboxing either. There's a reason it's called multiboxing after allGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2301
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:59:00 -
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Looking at this topic and a few on the front page of GD , well ,it makes me want to check the cycle of the moon or something, because these people sure are coming out of the wood work today lol. |
Korah Arnelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:03:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute. REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..
Don't buy Plex.
Nope and nope. A day one newbie will never out fight any player that has the support skills, connections, knowledge and/or gusto of a non-newbie player no matter the hull they're sitting in. Even if you factor in buying a new character, they still have no real edge over an experienced pilot. So, nope. PLEX != PTW. Try again. |
Korah Arnelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:06:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Abon wrote:ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.
On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally. Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue. Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with. Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible. It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing. So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too).
Multiboxing is not PTW under any condition as you need to know what you're doing. Plus, I don't believe you can script your other boxes to act via botting at all. That is still against EULA/TOS for CCP, so the bannination would ensue when (not if) a player gets caught. It's no skin off their back if they ban such morons. It just frees up resources for them. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Clan Steel Wolves
215
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:07:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Looking at this topic and a few on the front page of GD , well ,it makes me want to check the cycle of the moon or something, because these people sure are coming out of the wood work today lol.
Mercury is retrograde. Bad time for communications, etc. |
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