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manilabay
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:02:00 -
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I have 118mil sp, mostly in combat skills. Read up on all the tactics of frig 1v1. Ammo selection, ranges etc etc... But have yet to win a single frig 1v1... Am I that bad, or does everyone and their brother use an OGB these days? I am using decent fits and have tried many ships and tactics, kiting to brawling.
About to fold up the tent and give my stuff away....... |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
119
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:06:00 -
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manilabay wrote:I have 118mil sp, mostly in combat skills. Read up on all the tactics of frig 1v1. Ammo selection, ranges etc etc... But have yet to win a single frig 1v1... Am I that bad, or does everyone and their brother use an OGB these days?
About to fold up the tent and give my stuff away.......
Keep trying. There are a lot of boosters out there, but not everybody uses them. If you are flying frigates, there won't be much SP difference between a 20M SP toon and your 118M SP's, so it is all about player skill. Just remember small gang and especially 1v1 is a giant game of rock paper scissors. Look at the fights you lost. If your opponent has rock and you keep bringing scissors, you will almost never win. QCATS is recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
437
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:21:00 -
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Try and remember that some of those guys your fighting, have like, 1000 frigate fights under their belt. They have worked at getting better one fight at a time.
Some of them may use serious implants, booster, drugs, faction mods. Or all of the above. |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
272
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:49:00 -
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Its ok to suck, I suck as well, skill is to occasionally find people who are even worse . Great morale boost. Till then fight with cheap stuff and dont derp losds of AFs like me. |
Drax Concrilla
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:53:00 -
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Also, frig fights are a lot more challenging in my experience than those with bigger ships. You don't have time to sit and analyze, you make 1 mistake and you'll likely die - 2 and you will surely die.
If you're in a frig that can dictate range get a fair clip off and Look At your target to give you an idea of what you're up against. If you're kitey and he's got small guns go for it. |
manilabay
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.27 22:28:00 -
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Great advice guys, anyway I went back at it, lost a slasher but almost took out an incursus before I died. Burned out my guns, and my ancillary armor booster decided to go on reload right when I needed it most.. Funny thing is, that fight actually lasted longer than most of the fights I've had... Took me over a minute to pop, lol... |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:45:00 -
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manilabay wrote:Great advice guys, anyway I went back at it, lost a slasher but almost took out an incursus before I died. Burned out my guns, and my ancillary armor booster decided to go on reload right when I needed it most.. Funny thing is, that fight actually lasted longer than most of the fights I've had... Took me over a minute to pop, lol...
Protip, as soon as you undock in a new frig, right click your aar and turn off auto reload. It then will continue at a reduced rate when it runs out of paste. One in five people are Chinese. There are five people in my family, so one must be Chinese. It's either my mum, my dad, my older brother Colin or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu. But I think it's Colin |
Theroine
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:47:00 -
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Two quick questions. Is your safety turned off? If it's on, this can take precious seconds away from applying damage.
Are you letting your opponent shoot first so you don't lose sec status? If so, you are letting them get into their optimal fighting range and getting ahead of you in the damage race. |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
148
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:02:00 -
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OGB is annoying but its not universal. Faction warfare regions, novice plexes. Knowing who to engage is very important: are you a brawler? Avoid kiters. Are you scram range kiter? Win
Range control is often more important than raw DPS. Likewise for weapon support skills since they help your DPS to actually be applied rather than just look good in EFT.
I only have about 6m SP in frigate-relevant skills and average about 2:1 kill:loss in solo FW regions so you should be fine. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Roxxo I'doCocaine
SlammaJammaBamma
27
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Posted - 2013.06.28 02:14:00 -
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RvB
Far less common to see boosters than in FW, plus.... a designated 1v1 T1 frigate system, and enforced 1v1s everywhere else if that's what was agreed to. Also, a full range of SP and pilot skill level, so you are bound to find someone who hasn't even done their homework, as well as people to learn from the hard way. |
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.06.28 06:04:00 -
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Theroine wrote:Two quick questions. Is your safety turned off? If it's on, this can take precious seconds away from applying damage.
Are you letting your opponent shoot first so you don't lose sec status? If so, you are letting them get into their optimal fighting range and getting ahead of you in the damage race.
This ^^
Always shoot 1st. (except on stations/gates at neutrals).
The easy way to know if you should shoot 1st are by going through the following checklist: 1. Are they in a ship? - If yes shoot. 2. Are they in a pod? - If yes shoot. 3. If you are unsure about something - Shoot it because you probably can't trust it. 4. If you answered 'no' to any of these question - you are still docked.
Use whatever dishonorable tactic you can if it will help win.
Try and fly with some people you know. A friend in a Griffin for ECM or a Bantam for reps will make a massive difference.
Speaking of dishonorable - You could Join Fugutive Task Force of ATONEMENT Alliance - they are beginner friendly, active and in Caldari Militia. Or Justified Chaos have good pilots if you want to join the filthy, smelly and unemployed houso Gallente Militia.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1051
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Posted - 2013.06.28 07:22:00 -
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Meh, i was going to check your fits and give you pointers but it seems that isn't your main so MEH. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Zeus Zed
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:42:00 -
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Fair PvP is tough.
Fighting with integrity without zerging your opponent with a 5vs1 gate camp is tough.
Wining your engagements without cheating by means of OGB is tough.
Not listening to 90% of PvP'ers who claim that "fair PvP does not exist" or "you are doing it wrong" is tough.
But it's cool. Fair PvP is cool.
Don't give up. Your skills will improve, your reaction times will improve, your ships and fits will improve, and one day you will find that one ship & fit combination that you will feel super comfortable with and start wining fights. And it's going to be fun (and profitable). |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1170
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:02:00 -
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PvP is hard, everyone wants to win their fight and keep their ship in an ideal world - you are not experienced and you will lose ships. Just make your peace with this, try to milk as much experience from every hull and apply it in your next fight.
You will get there and once you start making decisions in fights that land you the victory you will start to enjoy it a whole lot more. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Fret Thiesant
Oregon Trail rising
25
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:16:00 -
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One thing to remember is to try lots of different setups. Despite what you'll hear on forums and on other sites; there are no universal good fittings (usually). Rather you want a ship which maximizes the type of flying you want to do. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:17:00 -
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All above being true, the biggest thing I did to change my PvP exp was to finally get over the frustration/rage when I did lose something. Eve is not real. Isk is not money. Pixels are made to blow up (now with cooler effects)
To that end, since you are to the point of giving up anyway, fit up something worth 10% of your total liquid assets and go lose it in hilarious fashion. Doesn't matter how. But make it fun/funny. If after that you still feel a compulsion to quit then do it again. Repeat this until either you have done it 10 time and are out of cash. Or it is fun to go make explosions in space
After that, the thousands of lost frigates will be just another month on your fw or RvB alt. |
Raptors Mole
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 11:26:00 -
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I also suck at PvP, but have a lot of fun.
Happily some people suck more.
Frig/Dessie fights are fast, fun and cheap. IF you want to win, learn how the various frigs are flown, and do not engage the Rock to your Scissors, or if you must - try and dictate the fight to your advantage. i.e Get a web/scram on that fast kitey ship before it can pull range.
Still learning here. Yesterdays lesson was Blaster fit Algos are really nasty, don't hug them. |
Major Killz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2013.06.28 12:32:00 -
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There are 3 kinds of pilots in EVE. We have the heroes who are brave and have honour like samurai's; the ninja's who I am and we like to run away and are cowards; oh and of course the soldiers who do what they're told; not to mention all the shoguns and middle management; then we have the civilians.
So I'm thinking you're a Samurai? Mainly because heroes tend to die a lot and chat and complain about fair. Not that you're complaining. In any-case technically you do not suck at PVP because you clearly have honour and you're brave.
You're welcome and good luck and keep trying brave and honourable samurai... - Killz
Combat Video Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon (June 13, 2013) - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:26:00 -
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Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.
http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com We are recruiting - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1823364&#post1823364 |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
980
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:46:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.
I'm thinking its more like 20%. But really I don't know, I generally never fight condors so that might be why my view is off.
OP I haven't looked at your fits so this is just general advice. But when I started out I tended to go with tankier ships. This made the fights last longer so I could see what was happening, and gave me more time to react during the fight. Its important to gain an understanding of why you win or lose. If you just keep dying without understanding why, you are not really gaining experience.
Also look at the losses of good pilots. Try to figure out the idea behind their fits. What ranges will try to hit and what will their dps be, how will they deal with brawlers and kiters etc.
Obviously if you have fraps, a large enough hard drive, and your willing to look at the fights you lost and what the enemy was likely fitting that would be even more helpful.
Also joining a good pvp corp can be a big help. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Za'afiel
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:15:00 -
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You're not alone, I suck too, with a resolution to change it I've just fitted 10 frigs and 5 cruisers for the weekend (Gallente FW) good luck pilot. My advice is not to care about the numbers or the KB. I had literally one solo kill so far, it was long time ago, and although I had almost 3 year break from EVE, I can still remember the feeling afterwards. The more you lose to earn it, the better it is. Just wait and don't back down.
Za'af GÇ£There was nowhere to go but everywhere, so just keep on rolling under the stars.GÇ¥ GÇò Jack Kerouac, On the Road: The Original Scroll |
Major Killz
SniggWaffe
222
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:46:00 -
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I see off grid users a lot, but how many do I engage? Not many. How many ships do I lose to off grid boosting fleets or single pilots? Maybe 2 - 4 ships a month.
Honestly it's the usual pilots, corporation/alliances using them all the time. So I don't see a massive increase in their uses because it's the same minority using it all the time. I roam multiple regions so I suppose that also has a lot to do with it. - Killz
Combat Video Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon (June 13, 2013) - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Pax Thar
Gone Fishing LLC
63
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:07:00 -
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Here's some advice...
Avoid condors and hook bills, don't fight them at all.
Try some tanky ships like dual rep incurs us or a Tristan and use novice plexes to get fights at 0. Go into pled and sit on button tik someone comes in, scram and goto work. You'll have to be quick to point attack frigates, or get out. The maulus is also a good option with rails, damps and drones.
Obviously I have an affinity for gallente frigates ATM becaus they are just plain good. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1051
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:43:00 -
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Pax Thar wrote:Here's some advice...
Avoid condors and hook bills, don't fight them at all.
Try some tanky ships like dual rep incurs us or a Tristan and use novice plexes to get fights at 0. Go into pled and sit on button tik someone comes in, scram and goto work. You'll have to be quick to point attack frigates, or get out. The maulus is also a good option with rails, damps and drones.
Obviously I have an affinity for gallente frigates ATM becaus they are just plain good.
Hookbills are often rocket fit though...
Condors are just always maxfag fitted. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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manilabay
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:44:00 -
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Thanks for all the advice guys and gals, I got my first solo frig kill today, killed a rifter while in my slasher.... Someone mentioned turning off auto reload on my anc booster, well I did and I think that's what got me the win... That baby was empty and running on pure cap a good 20 seconds before the rifter popped, I was in hull by then.. If that thing would have went on reload, bye bye slasher... Having the nos fit helped keep it going long enough..))))))) |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
273
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Posted - 2013.06.29 10:26:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:
The easy way to know if you should shoot 1st are by going through the following checklist: 1. Are they in a ship? - If yes shoot. 2. Are they in a pod? - If yes shoot. 3. If you are unsure about something - Shoot it because you probably can't trust it. 4. If you answered 'no' to any of these question - you are still docked.
5. If you are in Captain's Quarters then shoot the decor. |
Idris Maelfa
Cofio Dryweryn
6
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Posted - 2013.06.29 10:29:00 -
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One thing I don't understand is why one should turn off Auto Reload.
Surely the client can reload faster than I can, or am I missing something? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1056
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:07:00 -
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Idris Maelfa wrote:One thing I don't understand is why one should turn off Auto Reload.
Surely the client can reload faster than I can, or am I missing something?
Its because it takes 60 seconds to reload, and in that time you will be dead.
You're better of being able to get off 1-2 cycles of your cap after its empty
This is more true for AAR's though, the default on those should be autoreload off.. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Idris Maelfa
Cofio Dryweryn
6
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:33:00 -
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Thanks for the explantion.
I, and my many corpsses, are grateful. |
Agmonar
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.30 01:10:00 -
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118 mil and you cant kill? Learn to play the pvp. I am old at 35mill and can kill. Each death learn and dont addume a leet fit will win. Learn to die and be reborn again. Phoenix pvp is what i play. |
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