arent the log off and on for combat exploits? Last i heard log on ambushes or logging off and back on just to avoid being shot at in fleet was an exploit?

Am I correct to assume that when jumping out of system with player aggression, the aggression timer will reset as it currently does, allowing the dishonourable to safe and log?

It would be awesome if it didn't, and would provide a suitable mechanic for chasing fools all the way out of our space, instead of having them log off in the next system like they always do.

Am I correct to assume that when jumping out of system with player aggression, the aggression timer will clear* as it currently does, allowing the dishonourable to safe and log?

It would be awesome if it didn't, and would provide a suitable mechanic for chasing fools all the way out of our space, instead of having them log off in the next system like they always do.


*edited to change the word from reset to clear to avoid any confusion.

They can spend 15 minutes warping between safes before logging, makes no difference. Once they're off-grid from you with the intent of staying in system, there's not much you'll be able to do to keep aggression on them.

Actually, Floppie, the anti-logoff measures leave your ship in space and fully targetable for 15 minutes, and if you're shot at, it resets the timer for another 15 minutes.

Jumping out of a system shouldn't clear the countdown, though -- that only makes the Logoffksi a bit more time-consuming to pull and doesn't really solve anything.

The upcoming logoffski nerf will leave your ship in space for 15 minutes IF IT HAS AGGRESSION. After that, it will check every 15 minutes for an aggression timer. Once the timer has expired, the ship will disappear as it does now.

Which is why I said warping between safes for 15 minutes would become the practice. Just bounce around until the timer runs out, then log off and your ship will disappear as normal.

Am I correct to assume that when jumping out of system with player aggression, the aggression timer will clear* as it currently does, allowing the dishonourable to safe and log?

It would be awesome if it didn't, and would provide a suitable mechanic for chasing fools all the way out of our space, instead of having them log off in the next system like they always do.


*edited to change the word from reset to clear to avoid any confusion.

The upcoming logoffski nerf will leave your ship in space for 15 minutes IF IT HAS AGGRESSION. After that, it will check every 15 minutes for an aggression timer. Once the timer has expired, the ship will disappear as it does now.

Which is why I said warping between safes for 15 minutes would become the practice. Just bounce around until the timer runs out, then log off and your ship will disappear as normal.

Warping between safes for 15 minutes wouldn't help -- your ship is in space for 15 miinutes after you log off. If someone shoots at you before your timer expires, your ship will be placed on another 15-minute cooldown -- but if you're not, it will despawn your ship.

Warping between safes for 15 minutes wouldn't help -- your ship is in space for 15 miinutes after you log off. If someone shoots at you before your timer expires, your ship will be placed on another 15-minute cooldown -- but if you're not, it will despawn your ship.

Note: Agression timers are currently System Specific. Meaning if you change to a different system, you can immediately log off without aggression in the new system. I have not heard any plans to change this.

Has this been tested? Just curious, I've killed ships before that I could have sworn engaged in a fleet battle next door, came into the system where I was, and logged without getting shot by anyone. (not even gate guns or NPC's). I've got no concrete evidence either way so I'd love if someone did.

Currently, aggression timers cannot be renewed once you log off, and hence any aggressed ship will despawn after the 15 minute timer expires. With the changes, your aggression timer can be renewed, so as long as someone keeps shooting or ewaring the ship, it will NOT despawn.
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Uh...no need to shout....I get your point....

Anyway, isn't that what I just finished saying? Your ship will be floating in space for 15 minutes after you log off. If someone shoots at you, it gets reset for another fifteen minutes.

Am I speaking Klingon here, or something?

You seem to be asserting that a ship that logs off in space will stay a minimum of 15 minutes no matter what the circumstances.

Which is wrong.

When you log off your character in space, the ship you are piloting disappears after 15 minutes

From a Winter Expansion debblog:



So, yes. I am, indeed, asserting that a ship stays in sapce for 15 minutes.

Because it does.

I used to run a lot of hornet roams, where we would catch a ratter traveling gate-to-gate. We'd tackle the guy on gate, send a dictor and other tackle through to the other side, and then apply enough dps to encourage him through. The ratter always goes through the gate, dictor bubble goes up, and the rest of the gang goes through to greet them. If the ratter new their aggression mechanics, and didn't mind exploiting them, they would simply log off before their gate cloak expired. Then, if we lacked the dps, they would simply despawn after one minute. Some of the most aggrivating missed kills include maruaders, orcas, and freighters. I really hope they make aggression timers follow the pilot into different systems... until then, I'll be happy knowing a tackled carrier wont despawn on me!!!


I can offer one good explantion for the situtation you described, and one stab in the dark.

Known Mechnic. If I aggress in System A, travel to System B, and then come back to System A within the 15 minute agression timer window, I wil still have agression in System A. This is the most likely explanation of your situation.

Stab in the dark: Lagggggg.. In heavy lag situations, EvE's game mechanics malfunction (explained in the time dialation blog). Its possible that lag malfunctions caused the pilot to remain in space much longer than they should have.

Hello Agondray,

You maybe would be interested in a recent blog from our Developers, describing few of the upcoming Winter 2011 Expansion changes.

Especially the last point might interest you:

Logoff timer

• After a player logs out, there is a check for player aggression every 15 minutes. If you have been aggressed, the timer extends for 15 minutes; if you have not been aggressed, you disappear as before. Note: this is only for player aggression and will not change what happens when you log off during fights against NPCs.

Yeah, that used to be the case, but it was changed a while ago. Aggro timers now carry over between systems. Since we use supers a lot and there's no way to dock instead of logging off in a pos if you have to go before your timer is up, we've seen it happen plenty of times.

That was from the first sentence... where he was referring to the way current logoff mechanics work.

GCC carries over to next system, aggro doesn't last time I tested.

You sure you're not thinking of GCC - remember that will start triggering other aggro timers in next system?

/headdesk
/anguished_scream

That's what I'm talking about!

From what I've read, that's how it's going to work with the new mechanic -- the only thing that's going to change is that if you're shot within 15 minutes of logging off, the timer will be set for another 15 minutes.

*laughs* Seriously, am I really being that unclear, or are people just trying to mess with my head?

Yes, it's been in 0.0.



Since he assumed everyone knows how it currently works though, he didn't detail it. Right now, you only stay in space if you were agressed BEFORE you logged off, and that's what he meant.

I used to run a lot of hornet roams, where we would catch a ratter traveling gate-to-gate. We'd tackle the guy on gate, send a dictor and other tackle through to the other side, and then apply enough dps to encourage him through. The ratter always goes through the gate, dictor bubble goes up, and the rest of the gang goes through to greet them. If the ratter new their aggression mechanics, and didn't mind exploiting them, they would simply log off before their gate cloak expired. Then, if we lacked the dps, they would simply despawn after one minute. Some of the most aggrivating missed kills include maruaders, orcas, and freighters. I really hope they make aggression timers follow the pilot into different systems... until then, I'll be happy knowing a tackled carrier wont despawn on me!!!


I can offer one good explantion for the situtation you described, and one stab in the dark.

Known Mechnic. If I aggress in System A, travel to System B, and then come back to System A within the 15 minute agression timer window, I wil still have agression in System A. This is the most likely explanation of your situation.

Stab in the dark: Lagggggg.. In heavy lag situations, EvE's game mechanics malfunction (explained in the time dialation blog). Its possible that lag malfunctions caused the pilot to remain in space much longer than they should have.