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Ellon JTC
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:44:00 -
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Hi Assuming you have the right skills and isk what would be the best level 4 security mission running ship? By best I mean fastest. I want to get the missions done as fast as possible.
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Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:50:00 -
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like, completely killing everything? "Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:59:00 -
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Machariel is still one of the best. Thanks to MWD and Falloff bonus it has a nice damage projection.
Cruise missiles boats are catching up though, of they haven't done it already.
German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Bastion Arzi
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:01:00 -
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pirate faction BS are the best. machariel, vindi, nightmare and rattlesnake i believe |
Ellon JTC
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:27:00 -
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Feanira Darr wrote:like, completely killing everything?
assuming the 2 cases blitzing and killing everything,what would be the best for each? |
Ellon JTC
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:29:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:pirate faction BS are the best. machariel, vindi, nightmare and rattlesnake i believe
l0rd carlos wrote:Machariel is still one of the best. Thanks to MWD and Falloff bonus it has a nice damage projection.
Cruise missiles boats are catching up though, of they haven't done it already.
Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets. |
Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:31:00 -
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what I love about nightmares is... frequency crystal and tracking computer script swap-outs are instant. I haven't had to use volley prediction or wait on a blinky reload icon in a while.
OK that's a lie, I was in a golem for three days (until yesterday). having tasted laz0rs, I can't stand missiles now. I thought I'd see what the cruise thing is about--they're nice and fast, but all that ammo and the wasted volleys... and did I mention the blinky reload icon?
not a gameplay experience I want.
//not sure the large turrets is a problem. I hit cruisers at 10km with a tracking speed script loaded. haven't had any issues there. "Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC |
Bastion Arzi
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2013.06.28 11:11:00 -
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Ellon JTC wrote: Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.
Maybe really easy level 4's but i doubt you could run the harder ones faster in a bc than a bs.
Also my apoc hits frigs just fine as long as theyre 30km + from me. It also hit frigs just fine at the same distance before oddyssey
Ive seen a macharial mince frigates as well. and anyway when frigs get under ur guns use drones.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.06.28 11:26:00 -
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Ellon JTC wrote:
Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.
At about 20 - 25km+ a Machariel should have no problem shooting incomming frigs. Half of the guns should pop a simple frig with one volley. It also has a drone bay for frigs that can deal if they are too close. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.28 12:36:00 -
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just to add the capability quickly, train Drones IV and Scout Drone Operation to III or IV
4 T1 light drones strictly for killing web and point frigates is much more effective than using main guns for the same purpose. for missioning, the cost of T2 drones make them impractical. "Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC |
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Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
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Posted - 2013.06.28 12:39:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Machariel is still one of the best. Thanks to MWD and Falloff bonus it has a nice damage projection.
Cruise missiles boats are catching up though, of they haven't done it already.
Mach is not one of the best. It is the best one.
Cruise boats didn't catch up at all. Whatever. |
Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.28 12:41:00 -
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I don't use Machariels because I multibox rather severely, and the Machariel requires a lot of speed management which I cannot handle. otherwise, I would use it. "Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.06.28 12:44:00 -
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I dual box Machs, two screens makes life simple, for instance Angel Extrav yesterday in 12 minutes including bonus room. Pulsed the XL booster 3 times cause the red shield annoys me :)
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Krann
The Asteroid Solution
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:35:00 -
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Feanira Darr wrote:just to add the capability quickly, train Drones IV and Scout Drone Operation to III or IV
4 T1 light drones strictly for killing web and point frigates is much more effective than using main guns for the same purpose. for missioning, the cost of T2 drones make them impractical.
T2 drones are fine. I've lost one T2 light since this expansion. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:51:00 -
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Ellon JTC wrote:Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.
Whoever told you that? Don't listen to them.
(They were likely talking about L3s, where this is at least arguable, though top tier mission BSs can shine there too. It's blatantly false in L4s.) |
Rain6638
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.06.29 09:33:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:I dual box Machs, two screens makes life simple, for instance Angel Extrav yesterday in 12 minutes including bonus room. Pulsed the XL booster 3 times cause the red shield annoys me :) I was wondering who I remember saying they dual box machariels... one artillery, one autocannon... was that you? Free raffle-guess Thanatos ...thing?...for fun! take a break from the pew pew and post a guess ;-) [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.06.29 09:43:00 -
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Rain6638 wrote:Goldiiee wrote:I dual box Machs, two screens makes life simple, for instance Angel Extrav yesterday in 12 minutes including bonus room. Pulsed the XL booster 3 times cause the red shield annoys me :) I was wondering who I remember saying they dual box machariels... one artillery, one autocannon... was that you? Yes that's me, for Angel Extrav Autos and Artys , but both Arty for others like Mordus Headhunters, Blockade, Gone Berserk or both auto for Vengeance, Buzz kill... you get the idea use what is appropriate.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Xequecal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:53:00 -
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Machariel, Vargur, Paladin, or Nightmare. These are the clear best, each has its strengths and weaknesses. |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:12:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Mach is not one of the best. It is the best one.
Right up until it stops being the best one. The Machariel is good, and against Angels you'd be hard pressed to find anything better... swap the rats though and suddenly other ships are better.
@OP: Most of the top mission ships are so close that they're more or less equal and the only thing that makes one better than another is what you're shooting. There is no 'best,' and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is probably selling one.
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Rain6638
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.06.29 13:30:00 -
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o7 Goldiiee Free raffle-guess Thanatos ...thing?...for fun! take a break from the pew pew and post a guess ;-) [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337. |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2013.06.30 06:36:00 -
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Mach is the best for sure. Cruise boats caught up a lot but still aren't as good post Odyssey. The tracking nerf didn't hurt it that bad. Eve is Real |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.06.30 08:03:00 -
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Another feature of the Machariel that I have come to really appreciate is its ability to align so fast, almost cruiser-like. It might not seem much, but it sums up, especially if you are blitzing. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.30 14:04:00 -
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Machariel is by far peoples choice, all pirate battleships are really good for what you want. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:19:00 -
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Rattlesnake by a mile.
You can get 1241 dps and pick the damage type now.
Still has awsome tank and can run a MWD.
Sentries ruin smaller targets with ease.
Anyone still preaching other ships hasn't seen what the changes to cruise missiles on top of drone damage upgrades have done. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:03:00 -
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mach is good on paper but especially after the TE nerf it's gotten behind things like the CNR and even the regular dominix... |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.07.01 04:20:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake by a mile.
You can get 1241 dps and pick the damage type now.
Still has awsome tank and can run a MWD.
Sentries ruin smaller targets with ease.
Anyone still preaching other ships hasn't seen what the changes to cruise missiles on top of drone damage upgrades have done. Yes, but... what's the DPS of the MWD Rattlesnake while the MWD is active? =/
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:58:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake by a mile.
You can get 1241 dps and pick the damage type now.
Still has awsome tank and can run a MWD.
Sentries ruin smaller targets with ease.
Anyone still preaching other ships hasn't seen what the changes to cruise missiles on top of drone damage upgrades have done.
Are you running both with good skills? I am. Curious what your results in a Machariel vs RS for the same missions are. Eve is Real |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
694
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Posted - 2013.07.01 07:05:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:mach is good on paper but especially after the TE nerf and buffs to other ships it's gotten behind things like the CNR and even the regular dominix...
ROFL. Seriously, on the floor laughing. Eve is Real |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.01 07:58:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Yes, but... what's the DPS of the MWD Rattlesnake while the MWD is active? =/
Probably reduced to missiles plus light (maybe medium drones), which is not great but with 3 drone damage amp's it still some 550 dps with hammerheads II's.
Besides you only need the mwd to get to gates and pick up loot, most of the time all you need to do is use mjd once, and just clear the room with sentries. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
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Posted - 2013.07.01 08:31:00 -
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Ellon JTC wrote:Hi Assuming you have the right skills and isk what would be the best level 4 security mission running ship? By best I mean fastest. I want to get the missions done as fast as possible.
It depends on the mission and who you are fighting against.
For instance: Recon, level 4 part 1
Blitz The gates are not locked, so you can blitz this mission without a single kill.
The Machariel is a great ship, but it is nowhere near the best ship to run this mission. A fast cruiser or frigate will complete it much quicker. No one ships is the best at every mission. Some are best done with speed, some with DPS at range other DPS up close, etc. Cargo Delivery can be done very quickly with a small fast ship.... such as a shuttle.
The point is: a ship is a tool for getting the job done... match the tool to the job. |
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