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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1987
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:42:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:That timer is the only timer that you can refresh on someone else who cannot (in that ship) refresh onto you. The physical limitation of his ship prevents it It's not, though. Also, the timer is designed be be two-way, your insistence the ship has to have the ability to agress is irrelevent, the distinction only exists in your head. If CCP wanted it one way, they could make it such. Example - the weapons timer. They specifically designed it to be two ways.
Quote:And it was manipulated. Fully. It was not constant fire None of the timers require constant fire; they were designed specifically with that in mind (to be able to probe down ships sitting in safe spots with aggression).
You're really missing the point again. The game isn't balanced around your ability to log off and avoid any consequences. Suggesting the right thing to do is log off is patently absurd, and is something CCP have directly said they DO NOT want to enforce. Now, whilst actually logged into the game and actively defending himself, he has options. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
baltec1
Bat Country
7220
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:51:00 -
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Amazing.
Rather than help the freighter pilot the alliance just chats about how CCP will not give them their ship back after sending in petitions dispite having an hour to form something up. They are fantastically useless. |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
82
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:53:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Which demonstrated an [ability] to accurately determine harassment by text mining.
FTFY, you prove me right for being so reluctant to cite you proper work every time you spout nonsense stemming from your inability to read scientific results.
Quote:Yes, claiming you're right because you know you're right .... somehow we're not letting that qualify dude.
Not me mate; these are common consensuses.
Quote:My only claim has been you can't support your claim
Man up son; you said it was impossible to do what I described (my favorite was when you claimed it would require quantum computing). You've backpeddled so far that you might as well be protesting scientific methodology at this point.
Quote:it's probably in your best interest to stop quoting posts and saying "nope"
Nope. Much of your whining is so transparent it requires a good "nope".
Quote:All of my complaints have been cited examples of your poor ability to form an argument.
I've said repeatedly I'm not a good teacher; it's just not a strength of mine. Fortunately, it's not a requirement for being right. |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
83
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:55:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:None of the timers require constant fire; they were designed specifically with that in mind (to be able to probe down ships sitting in safe spots with aggression).
Shouldn't the timer be reduced because scanning was buffed then? |
Callyuk
Thundercats The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:10:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:S Byerley wrote:Because CCP thinks War decs are the [best] way to pvp someone in high sec. It would be transparent at the user level anyway. Where on Earth are you getting this garbage? Where have CCP said that the only "[best]" way to PVP in highsec is through wars? I've never seen that anywhere. Do you believe that suicide ganks, baiting, etc are all invalid forms of PVP? If they're not the "[best]" way to PVP why have CCP explicitly implemented those abilities? GM Karidor wrote: If you are reported and we find you actively following around a target without a war to continue bumping a specific player, it will still (at some point) considered harassment, even if you divert your 'attention' a little while doing so. If you have a bone to pick with someone, declare a war and take the risk that your target may actually taste blood and fight back (or finds allies for that part). Seem like a good sentiment to me.
Wanted to requtoe his quote :) How Goons Gank Freighters with the new flagging system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdq5in9fR-Y https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254193&p=25 Theres a gear at the bottom right in every YOUTUBE video use it |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
Is this to say you want all things to revert back to how they used to be? Are you saying you don't want future changes? Are you saying you don't like tiericide?
Otherwise, that's not a very good excuse.
We should remove concord because they have been in game for a decade. See how stupid your argument just was?
My argument? I asked you a question based on you saying " its been working for so long".
Not my fault you cant answer a ******* question without hostility. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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baltec1
Bat Country
7220
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:34:00 -
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Callyuk wrote: Wanted to requtoe his quote :)
Why?
That GM quote has nothing to do with what this thread is about which is using bumping as a form of warp disruption which is seen as a valid tactic by CCP and the use of aggression mechanics put into this game by CCP at the start of this year to stop people from abusing logging mechanics when they were attacked.
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Callyuk
Thundercats The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Callyuk wrote: Wanted to requtoe his quote :)
Why? That GM quote has nothing to do with what this thread is about which is using bumping as a form of warp disruption which is seen as a valid tactic by CCP and the use of aggression mechanics put into this game by CCP at the start of this year to stop people from abusing logging mechanics when they were attacked.
Node ReMapping is Similar to Freighter Ganking Once its underway there's nothing you can do about it :) How Goons Gank Freighters with the new flagging system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdq5in9fR-Y https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254193&p=25 Theres a gear at the bottom right in every YOUTUBE video use it |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:38:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: It's not, though. Also, the timer is designed be be two-way, your insistence the ship has to have the ability to agress is irrelevent, the distinction only exists in your head. If CCP wanted it one way, they could make it such. Example - the weapons timer. They specifically designed it to be two ways.
Say that 1 more time please. I don't really quite understand how it's a 2 way street of the ship not being able to do it is irrelevant.
Isn't that contradictory?
I'll spell out why I'm asking.
You say it's a 2 way street right? TWO way street.
But it is irrelevant that a ship CANNOT perform the 2nd way part of that TWO way street?
How does that distinction only exist in my own head when you just contradicted yourself?
"Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15388
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:38:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:S Byerley wrote:Because CCP thinks War decs are the [best] way to pvp someone in high sec. It would be transparent at the user level anyway. Where on Earth are you getting this garbage? Where have CCP said that the only "[best]" way to PVP in highsec is through wars? I've never seen that anywhere. Do you believe that suicide ganks, baiting, etc are all invalid forms of PVP? If they're not the "[best]" way to PVP why have CCP explicitly implemented those abilities? GM Karidor wrote: If you are reported and we find you actively following around a target without a war to continue bumping a specific player, it will still (at some point) considered harassment, even if you divert your 'attention' a little while doing so. If you have a bone to pick with someone, declare a war and take the risk that your target may actually taste blood and fight back (or finds allies for that part). Seem like a good sentiment to me. So they haven't actually said that wardecs are in any way GÇ£the best wayGÇ¥ to PvP someone in highsec.
S Byerley wrote:Shouldn't the timer be reduced because scanning was buffed then? Ok. We'll reduce it to 14 minutes 58 seconds instead. Happy? Or, hell, let's just round it off to 15 minutes to make it easy to remember. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Callyuk
Thundercats The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:42:00 -
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The GM quote is pertaining to harassment not ganking ,but there one in the same if you don't do the gank right and have to lock your target down for an hour for your incompetent friends/alts. How Goons Gank Freighters with the new flagging system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdq5in9fR-Y https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254193&p=25 Theres a gear at the bottom right in every YOUTUBE video use it |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15388
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:42:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Which demonstrated an inability to accurately determine harassment by text mining. FTFY, you prove me right for being so reluctant to cite you proper work every time you spout nonsense stemming from your inability to read scientific results. Re-fixed that. What would prove you right is has nothing to do with his ability to provide anything, but with yours, and you haven't been able to prove yourself right so far.
Quote:Not me mate; these are common consensuses. So prove it.
Quote:You've backpeddled so far that you might as well be protesting scientific methodology at this point. No. He's merely asking you to prove your assertion, which you haven't been able to do. You are the one trying to dodge said methodology. He's merely taking the null hypothesis and it's up to you to falsify it. So do so.
Quote:I've said repeatedly I'm not a good teacher; it's just not a strength of mine. You're also not very good at providing sources for your claimsGǪ that's a much bigger problem because it means, good teacher or not, what you teach is incorrect by default. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:42:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: None of the timers require constant fire; they were designed specifically with that in mind (to be able to probe down ships sitting in safe spots with aggression).
Wait. You're wrong. Or I should say, Tippia thinks you're wrong. She said freighter pilots abusing the logoff technique was the basis for this mechanic.
Quote:You're really missing the point again. The game isn't balanced around your ability to log off and avoid any consequences. Suggesting the right thing to do is log off is patently absurd, and is something CCP have directly said they DO NOT want to enforce. Now, whilst actually logged into the game and actively defending himself, he has options.
A freighter actively defending themselves...
Are you mad?
I'm all for that!! Hell yes! Let's have freighters have the innate ability with their hull to defend themselves, as well as aggress! I am all for that! LEt's have that aggression timer mean something and be justified!
"Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15388
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:46:00 -
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Callyuk wrote:The GM quote is pertaining to harassment not ganking ,but there one in the same if you don't do the gank right and have to lock your target down for an hour for your incompetent friends/alts. GǪand it shows that as we've been telling you all along: that, no, a single occurrence is not harassment. So no, even if you fail to get the gank in order, it's not harassment.
If you come back and do it the next day or at some other later point, then it might start to mount up, but a single occurrence is still a single occurrence GÇö you have not been GÇ£ actively following [a target] around [GǪ] to continue bumping a specific playerGÇ¥. All you're doing is trying to gank him, which (to everyone's great surprise) is something that is not guaranteed to succeed.
Murk Paradox wrote:Wait. You're wrong. Or I should say, Tippia thinks you're wrong. She said freighter pilots abusing the logoff technique was the basis for this mechanic. Nope. Stop inventing things I never said.
Quote:A freighter actively defending themselves...
Are you mad? No he isn't. What makes you say that? The freighter can actively defend himself using any of the myriad of tactics and techniques described in this thread and every thread like it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7220
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:47:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
My argument? I asked you a question based on you saying " its been working for so long".
Not my fault you cant answer a ******* question without hostility.
No you attempted to make a daft argument and are now backpedalling now that you see how bad it was. Much like throughout this thread in which you are flat out ignoring every hard fact going and continue to push your "just one more nerf" goal to try and fix stupid.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
My argument? I asked you a question based on you saying " its been working for so long".
Not my fault you cant answer a ******* question without hostility.
No you attempted to make a daft argument and are now backpedalling now that you see how bad it was. Much like throughout this thread in which you are flat out ignoring every hard fact going and continue to push your "just one more nerf" goal to try and fix stupid.
"but we been doing that for a decade now" is a pisspoor standard when you are trying to advocate being on the cutting edge of highsec mechanics sir. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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baltec1
Bat Country
7220
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:02:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
"but we been doing that for a decade now" is a pisspoor standard when you are trying to advocate being on the cutting edge of highsec mechanics sir.
Its the perfect response to someone who just said that it is going to start to drive off players and will hurt sub numbers because quite clearly it hasn't and won't. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Callyuk wrote:The GM quote is pertaining to harassment not ganking ,but there one in the same if you don't do the gank right and have to lock your target down for an hour for your incompetent friends/alts. GǪand it shows that as we've been telling you all along: that, no, a single occurrence is not harassment. So no, even if you fail to get the gank in order, it's not harassment. If you come back and do it the next day or at some other later point, then it might start to mount up, but a single occurrence is still a single occurrence GÇö you have not been GÇ£ actively following [a target] around [GǪ] to continue bumping a specific playerGÇ¥. All you're doing is trying to gank him, which (to everyone's great surprise) is something that is not guaranteed to succeed. Murk Paradox wrote:Wait. You're wrong. Or I should say, Tippia thinks you're wrong. She said freighter pilots abusing the logoff technique was the basis for this mechanic. Nope. Stop inventing things I never said.
Quote:A freighter actively defending themselves...
Are you mad? No he isn't. What makes you say that? The freighter can actively defend himself using any of the myriad of tactics and techniques described in this thread and every thread like it.
"And, once again, even if it did, why should they be given special exemptions from the timers? Timers, I remind you, that were put into place to remove the kind of tactics that the special exemption is meant to provide." -post #724 ("explain to me how a freighter can aggress someone like ANY other ship in the game" was the excerpt you quoted off me for the response).
"The abuse that was rampant before Crimewatch 2.0, where freighters would warp around carelessly, and if they spotted something gank-like on approach to a station or gate, or when entering a system, they'd kill the clientGǪ and relog and kill the clientGǪ and [repeat as needed] to ensure that the attackers could never lock the freighter down because it would disappear too soon.
"The new PvP flag (mostly) fixed this: if you end up in a fight, logging off only ever leaves you dead in the water. This is intentional and is meant to make people stay logged in because at least then they can try to do something about itGǪ" -post #739("To coin your phrase... "what abuse?"." was the excerpt you quoted from me for the response).
"So why should they have special leave to ignore mechanics that were specifically in place to put an end to a kind of abuse that freighters were often using?" -post #657 ("Point 1- Yes, freighters ARE special. The do not have all the functionality other ships do in regards to having an aggression timer applied to them." was the excerpt you quoted from me).
"No, that's not what the timer is for. The PvP timer is specifically there to make sure that logging off to avoid combat is not a viable tactic for any kind of ship (including freighters, since they were common offenders of abusing the older timer mechanics). There's a completely different timer that dictates those kinds of things and the freighter is already exempt from ever triggering it." -post #622 ("It should only affect a ship that cannot dock due to acts of aggression." was the excerpt you quoted from me).
So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times.
Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. You will lose. You know this by now since this isn;t the first time.
Stop wasting my time. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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baltec1
Bat Country
7221
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:15:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times.
Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. You will lose. You know this by now since this isn;t the first time.
Stop wasting my time.
I see nowhere Tippia saying that crimewatch was brought in only because of freighters. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
"but we been doing that for a decade now" is a pisspoor standard when you are trying to advocate being on the cutting edge of highsec mechanics sir.
Its the perfect response to someone who just said that it is going to start to drive off players and will hurt sub numbers because quite clearly it hasn't and won't.
Since it's your standard, it's your business.
How you want to come off to anyone else is ultimately up to you I suppose.
Becareful of your accusations however, because I do not mention sub numbers. I am quite confident in my knowledge that the marketing team and the development team have different priorities.
You WILL however, get people to not want to fly those same hulls you hunt if you show how easily manipulated those timers can be when a freighter has no innate ability to protect itself.
That has nothing to do with subscriptions. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times.
Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. You will lose. You know this by now since this isn;t the first time.
Stop wasting my time.
I see nowhere Tippia saying that crimewatch was brought in only because of freighters.
Uhm, what? Are you strawmanning now? Scroll up to post #855 and read wtf she posted. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15388
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:22:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times. Yes you are. At no point did I say that freighters abusing it was the basis for the mechanic. Everyone that could abused it, and it had to go GÇö freighters were just one of many common examples.
If you tried actually reading the quotes you provided rather than just hope that they said what you imagined, you'd notice that I'm consistently saying the same thing: abusing the old timer mechanics to let you log off and save your ship was rampant; freighters abused this tactic too; there is no reason to give this particular abuse back to freighters.
Quote:Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. I don't have to insinuate anything since the simple fact is that you just made it up. Instead, I think I'll insinuate that you need to go see an optometristGǪ
GǪwait, it's not much of an insinuation if I say it outright like that, is it?
Quote:Uhm, what? Are you strawmanning now? Scroll up to post #855 and read wtf she posted. GǪok, and where did I say that the timers were fixed because of freighters, specifically? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times. Yes you are. At no point did I say that freighters abusing it was the basis for the mechanic. Everyone that could abused it, and it had to go GÇö freighters were just one of many common examples. If you tried actually reading the quotes you provided rather than just hope that they said what you imagined, you'd notice that I'm consistently saying the same thing: abusing the old timer mechanics to let you log off and save your ship was rampant; freighters abused this tactic too; there is no reason to give this particular abuse back to freighters. Quote:Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. I don't have to insinuate anything since the simple fact is that you just made it up. Instead, I think I'll insinuate that you need to go see an optometristGǪ GǪwait, it's not much of an insinuation if I say it outright like that, is it?
You should reread your own quotes. I did not edit them in anyway, shape or form.
"Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times. Yes you are. At no point did I say that freighters abusing it was the basis for the mechanic. Everyone that could abused it, and it had to go GÇö freighters were just one of many common examples. If you tried actually reading the quotes you provided rather than just hope that they said what you imagined, you'd notice that I'm consistently saying the same thing: abusing the old timer mechanics to let you log off and save your ship was rampant; freighters abused this tactic too; there is no reason to give this particular abuse back to freighters. Quote:Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. I don't have to insinuate anything since the simple fact is that you just made it up. Instead, I think I'll insinuate that you need to go see an optometristGǪ GǪwait, it's not much of an insinuation if I say it outright like that, is it? Quote:Uhm, what? Are you strawmanning now? Scroll up to post #855 and read wtf she posted. GǪok, and where did I say that the timers were fixed because of freighters, specifically?
I'll put it into simpler terms so you analog brain can digest it.
Khanh'rhh wrote:
None of the timers require constant fire; they were designed specifically with that in mind (to be able to probe down ships sitting in safe spots with aggression).
You said otherwise.
You're wrong. Or he is wrong.
Figure it out. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times. Yes you are. At no point did I say that freighters abusing it was the basis for the mechanic. Everyone that could abused it, and it had to go GÇö freighters were just one of many common examples. If you tried actually reading the quotes you provided rather than just hope that they said what you imagined, you'd notice that I'm consistently saying the same thing: abusing the old timer mechanics to let you log off and save your ship was rampant; freighters abused this tactic too; there is no reason to give this particular abuse back to freighters. Quote:Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. I don't have to insinuate anything since the simple fact is that you just made it up. Instead, I think I'll insinuate that you need to go see an optometristGǪ GǪwait, it's not much of an insinuation if I say it outright like that, is it? Quote:Uhm, what? Are you strawmanning now? Scroll up to post #855 and read wtf she posted. GǪok, and where did I say that the timers were fixed because of freighters, specifically?
You said for logoff. Of which freighters exploited. Stop making me bandaid your obtuse semantics. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3279
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:31:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times. Yes you are. At no point did I say that freighters abusing it was the basis for the mechanic. Everyone that could abused it, and it had to go GÇö freighters were just one of many common examples. If you tried actually reading the quotes you provided rather than just hope that they said what you imagined, you'd notice that I'm consistently saying the same thing: abusing the old timer mechanics to let you log off and save your ship was rampant; freighters abused this tactic too; there is no reason to give this particular abuse back to freighters. Quote:Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. I don't have to insinuate anything since the simple fact is that you just made it up. Instead, I think I'll insinuate that you need to go see an optometristGǪ GǪwait, it's not much of an insinuation if I say it outright like that, is it? You should reread your own quotes. I did not edit them in anyway, shape or form. 1)So why should they have special leave to ignore mechanics that were specifically in place to put an end to a kind of abuse that freighters were often using? 2)No, that's not what the timer is for. The PvP timer is specifically there to make sure that logging off to avoid combat is not a viable tactic for any kind of ship (including freighters, since they were common offenders of abusing the older timer mechanics). There's a completely different timer that dictates those kinds of things and the freighter is already exempt from ever triggering it. 3)And, once again, even if it did, why should they be given special exemptions from the timers? Timers, I remind you, that were put into place to remove the kind of tactics that the special exemption is meant to provide You ******* said that ****. VERBATIM. Those are your own godamn words.
Funny how you're unable to actually quote them The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
426
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:32:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times. Yes you are. At no point did I say that freighters abusing it was the basis for the mechanic. Everyone that could abused it, and it had to go GÇö freighters were just one of many common examples. If you tried actually reading the quotes you provided rather than just hope that they said what you imagined, you'd notice that I'm consistently saying the same thing: abusing the old timer mechanics to let you log off and save your ship was rampant; freighters abused this tactic too; there is no reason to give this particular abuse back to freighters. Quote:Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. I don't have to insinuate anything since the simple fact is that you just made it up. Instead, I think I'll insinuate that you need to go see an optometristGǪ GǪwait, it's not much of an insinuation if I say it outright like that, is it? You should reread your own quotes. I did not edit them in anyway, shape or form. 1)So why should they have special leave to ignore mechanics that were specifically in place to put an end to a kind of abuse that freighters were often using? 2)No, that's not what the timer is for. The PvP timer is specifically there to make sure that logging off to avoid combat is not a viable tactic for any kind of ship (including freighters, since they were common offenders of abusing the older timer mechanics). There's a completely different timer that dictates those kinds of things and the freighter is already exempt from ever triggering it. 3)And, once again, even if it did, why should they be given special exemptions from the timers? Timers, I remind you, that were put into place to remove the kind of tactics that the special exemption is meant to provide You ******* said that ****. VERBATIM. Those are your own godamn words. Funny how you're unable to actually quote them
Uhm, I did quote them. I even cited my work by listing the post number.
You know, proved my work. HINT-(you just need to go to the original post on the same page) "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:33:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Uhm, I did quote them. I even cited my work by listing the post number.
You know, proved my work.
You mean post #855 that contains exactly nothing of what you're claiming? Yeah I read that, stop making stuff up. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:35:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
Since it's your standard, it's your business.
How you want to come off to anyone else is ultimately up to you I suppose.
Becareful of your accusations however, because I do not mention sub numbers. I am quite confident in my knowledge that the marketing team and the development team have different priorities.
You WILL however, get people to not want to fly those same hulls you hunt if you show how easily manipulated those timers can be when a freighter has no innate ability to protect itself.
That has nothing to do with subscriptions.
You quoted me answering someone else...
As for people not flying freighters, their sales have not changed for the past year so it would seem they are not being impacted at all by a handful getting killed a month. So again, we see more evidence showing this to not be an issue at all. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Uhm, I did quote them. I even cited my work by listing the post number.
You know, proved my work.
You mean post #855 that contains exactly nothing of what you're claiming? Yeah I read that, stop making stuff up.
Making what up? I didn't make anything up, only posted quotes. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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