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Hoax Theokratis
BLACK OMEGA WING P O L A R I S
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:58:00 -
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Even lowend CPUs have multicores ..
But what me real bothered is the assumption old code and old design are obsolete per Definition.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
921
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:02:00 -
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Blastil wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Technically, this is EVE XIX Still doesn't uses above 2GB Ram and works on a single thread when our average hardware can handle thrice this with no much effort and 2 YO GC's with techs already obsoleted by newest already cheap. this is... a bad thing?
Indeed it is, it is for improvements, it is for game stability when you start thinking about the awesome work that is TiDI, players able to shoot each others face for over 2800 in the same systems (welp when CCP thinks about reinforcing zdat node anyway)
It is for game graphics quality and so on the list is long but I'm not even a special computer nerd, just a rather not bad self maid assembler for who building wacco computers is just an hobby. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
161
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:08:00 -
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Hoax Theokratis wrote:Even lowend CPUs have multicores ..
But what me real bothered is the assumption old code and old design are obsolete per Definition.
If it becomes a significant bottleneck it is obsolete. I think the devs have stated that the majority of server load is due to session changing. Separate systems also feel unnatural imo. Space is not divided into little spheres nor grids. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
543
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:07:00 -
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I want an Eve type game like WoWs Herpstone. Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium. WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
190
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:04:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Been here since 2003. Same game. Expansions do not make it a new game. Just an old game with expansions.
And still posting with an Alt...come on, real people post with their main!
Don't like EVE: Can I have your stuff? My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
164
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:27:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Been here since 2003. Same game. Expansions do not make it a new game. Just an old game with expansions. And still posting with an Alt...come on, real people post with their main! Don't like EVE: Can I have your stuff? Lol yeah this alt :) |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2013.07.03 03:47:00 -
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The sad part: How much better the game in that video looks in every single way compared with what we have now. |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
762
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Posted - 2013.07.03 05:07:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Technically, this is EVE XIX Still doesn't uses above 2GB Ram and works on a single thread when our average hardware can handle thrice this with no much effort and 2 YO GC's with techs already obsoleted by newest already cheap. By 2015 market sales of tablets will surpass both PCs and Laptops combined. This is the future of computing and eve in its current state will run on it.
Keep in mind that just because everyone and their grandma purchases a tablet does not mean everyone and their grandma wants to play eve. The percentage of people buying those tablets with serious gaming in mind is likely a lot lower than those buying desktops and laptops. Also most gamers wouldnt be buying new desktops already put together for them, but instead upgrading their rig. The sales figures mean less with this in mind.
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Adunh Slavy
1069
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Posted - 2013.07.03 06:32:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Infinity is an actual existing engine. It procedurally generates a single universe zone based on an initial seed. Each player is a bubble as they move from one location to the other the engine generates the same universe by running the procedural code, each player is its own solar system if you like When two players are in the same location the engine generates the same location and the players can interact with each other. Theres no session changes other than rendering other players, static objects as they appear to other players.
Well ... that was the plan. Was it ever accomplished? |
Strange Shadow
Hedion University Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.07.03 07:07:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:EvE is a great game. But its an old game.
Youngsters these days, does not have any respect for anything old....
EVE has its own charm EXACTLY because it is an old universe, single old universe. EVE II wont have that, not for the first few years, so i dont want EVE II. |
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
10
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Posted - 2013.07.03 09:22:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:
We see things from a players perspective. However a game success (or fail) is not simply related to his "quality". WOW is a mediocre, fancy game, an EQ for dummies, simplified mechanics and standard graphics; It was an huge success due to market elements. Blitz was good (or lucky) to foresee the market direction and needs at that time and to match the users demand.
I can assure you that high end pvp in wow is incredibly hard and you wouldnt stand a chance in an arena vs a high end team no matter how much you practiced.
I currently run 3 EVE accounts at once and have no hotkeys mapped (admit i do use about 6 or so premapped keys but really compared to what is required to operate a wow account this is nothing). Wow requires a ton more inputs per minute than EVE so much so that moving from WoW to EVE you feel like somebody told you to go play soccer in a pool of waist high mud.
The UI in wow is so much more advanced than EVE that when i first started playing EVE i felt like i was doing command line programming not playing a 2013 video game.
And it's Blizz not Blitz and the reason their game is so much more advanced than EVE is because they realize something EVE devs either dont or dont care about and that is that the vast majority of video game players are casuals and farming casuals for money by catering to them sufficiently is just good business, its not genius or being lucky, it's actually quite basic.
And I'll answer the incoming knee-jerk respondent now so as to save having to post a second time:
"So why dont you still play wow if it's so great?"
Because for me 8 years of approximately 13 hours a day playing a single title is about as much as i care to play even though it is an outstanding game.
So, until Blizz comes out with another hot title i'll play EVE as a placeholder game because as a chronic-casual to coin a phrase here i prefer pve and EVE isnt very pve player friendly but still a decent, if antiquated game.
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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
482
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Posted - 2013.07.03 09:49:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Do you honestly think that posting on the EVE forums that EVE isn't good enough ..[snipped for space]..doesn't make you seem like a douche? Lol no I don't think it does at all. Im always polite and try to be constructive in my posts. How about you? :)[/quote] Oh, fair enough. It does.
As for me, yeah, I'm well aware I can be a bit of a jerk to people who: a) post badly thought through suggestions that would adversely affect the game as a whole b) post suggestions designed to make things easier for them and harder for other people (unbalancing suggestions aimed at personal gain) c) posts which ask for development time or finances to be removed from EVE and put into some doomed-to-failure project d) posts which continue the same tired demands/requests even after being given a weight of evidence proving them wrong/foolish/stupid e) posts which are designed to disparage or argue for the closure EVE, the game we play and love.
You're guilty of c & e.
However, I'm not a jerk to people who post sensible suggestions or those who are able to alter their perspectives based on feedback from others.
I and many others have explained why a) the game isn't the same as when it was released and b) why asking CCP to build an EVEII wouldn't be in CCP's or our best interests. I merely wanted to know whether you were aware that you were flogging a dead horse. You're clearly oblivious to it so I'll leave you to it. You're not going to get anywhere with this. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
10
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Posted - 2013.07.03 09:50:00 -
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And to the OP i do believe if they migrated pilots and belongings from EVE to EVE 2 that a lot of shortcomings of EVE could be fixed almost assuredly easier than trying to salvage EVE as it stands today.
But....
Given that EVE is now serving two masters CCP and Sony i dont see good things ahead for EVE no matter what CCP does with it now, as the old saying goes you cannot serve two masters and that is exactly the position into which CCP has now placed EVE. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
482
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Posted - 2013.07.03 09:56:00 -
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Freighdee Katt wrote:The sad part: How much better the game in that video looks in every single way compared with what we have now.
I'm pretty sure that film was made with ingame footage. That is what we have now. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
482
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:15:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:I can assure you that high end pvp in wow is incredibly hard and you wouldnt stand a chance in an arena vs a high end team no matter how much you practiced.
I currently run 3 EVE accounts at once and have no hotkeys mapped (admit i do use about 6 or so premapped keys but really compared to what is required to operate a wow account this is nothing). Wow requires a ton more inputs per minute than EVE so much so that moving from WoW to EVE you feel like somebody told you to go play soccer in a pool of waist high mud.
The UI in wow is so much more advanced than EVE that when i first started playing EVE i felt like i was doing command line programming not playing a 2013 video game.
And it's Blizz not Blitz and the reason their game is so much more advanced than EVE is because they realize something EVE devs either dont or dont care about and that is that the vast majority of video game players are casuals and farming casuals for money by catering to them sufficiently is just good business, its not genius or being lucky, it's actually quite basic.
And I'll answer the incoming knee-jerk respondent now so as to save having to post a second time:
"So why dont you still play wow if it's so great?"
Because for me 8 years of approximately 13 hours a day playing a single title is about as much as i care to play even though it is an outstanding game.
So, until Blizz comes out with another hot title i'll play EVE as a placeholder game because as a chronic-casual to coin a phrase here i prefer pve and EVE isnt very pve player friendly but still a decent, if antiquated game.
I knew there was something fluffy and cuddly about you. I've played WOW. I did it when I was doing a particularly mentally intensive job because it doesn't require any thought. It's the sort of game that you can switch off and play because there simply isn't anything complicated in it. The player interactions aren't complicated. Understanding any of the game mechanics isn't complicated. The PVP is extremely formulaic. All there is to it is [hit thing, get thing] rinse repeat to get the same purple crap everyone else has so you can be on a level with them in PVP. There is no metagame to speak of, no politics, no mass combat. It is a completely different game and trying to make comparisons between WOW and EVE is akin to trying to compare naughts&crosses with chess.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that WOW isn't a good game. It has appeal. It's very pretty, it's very easily accessible and player friendly (it cuddles you and tells you everything will be ok) which is why it got such a huge (albeit currently dwindling) population. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
469
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:33:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote: I can assure you that high end pvp in wow is incredibly hard and you wouldnt stand a chance in an arena vs a high end team no matter how much you practiced.
I currently run 3 EVE accounts at once and have no hotkeys mapped (admit i do use about 6 or so premapped keys but really compared to what is required to operate a wow account this is nothing). Wow requires a ton more inputs per minute than EVE so much so that moving from WoW to EVE you feel like somebody told you to go play soccer in a pool of waist high mud.
I know WOW, I played it from the european release for about 3 years, and mostly of the time in an end-game guild. The amount of imputs or how much you need to tap on the keyboards doesn't equal to complexity or in depth mechanics. WOW is an easy game in the sense of easy to access and master, even for people with no previous game experience.
They didn't invent anything new in term of game setup, they just reqorked EQ concepts making them more simple, fruible and friendly. The game itself is mediocre, their cleverness was not in creating a good game but mostly in understantanding the the massive market needs. Nothing bad in this, it's also a merit.
I'm not going to discuss game complexity and deepth, there's no viable EVE-WOW comparasion here. Was to say as a game success or fail often are not directly caused by innate game "qualities", perfect coding, advanced graphic, good mechanics and so on but by "external" factors (f.i. the market demands).
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
164
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Posted - 2013.07.03 11:40:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tchulen wrote:Do you honestly think that posting on the EVE forums that EVE isn't good enough ..[snipped for space]..doesn't make you seem like a douche? Lol no I don't think it does at all. Im always polite and try to be constructive in my posts. How about you? :) Oh, fair enough. It does. As for me, yeah, I'm well aware I can be a bit of a jerk to people who: a) post badly thought through suggestions that would adversely affect the game as a whole b) post suggestions designed to make things easier for them and harder for other people (unbalancing suggestions aimed at personal gain) c) posts which ask for development time or finances to be removed from EVE and put into some doomed-to-failure project d) posts which continue the same tired demands/requests even after being given a weight of evidence proving them wrong/foolish/stupid e) posts which are designed to disparage or argue for the closure EVE, the game we play and love. You're guilty of c & e. However, I'm not a jerk to people who post sensible suggestions or those who are able to alter their perspectives based on feedback from others. I and many others have explained why a) the game isn't the same as when it was released and b) why asking CCP to build an EVEII wouldn't be in CCP's or our best interests. I merely wanted to know whether you were aware that you were flogging a dead horse. You're clearly oblivious to it so I'll leave you to it. You're not going to get anywhere with this. Your opinion is appreciated. |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
93
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:41:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Technically, this is EVE XIX 19th free expansion makes it EVE XX by my count, not EVE XIX... or does the original release just not count?
+1 for "This is Eve" video series. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4870
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:34:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:So you're complaining that EVE is light enough on resources that you can run it on a mid range to low end PC?
Um... why?
Falcon, there is no way you are new to these forums.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2013.07.03 19:13:00 -
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IMO the only time CCP should start working on an EVE 2 is when the current code and game engine no longer holds up for what they want or need to be able to do. I can has blogging skills! |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1075
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:42:00 -
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We are already playing like.. Eve 3 or 4..
Stop being Bad. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Blastil
The Reblier Alliance
79
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:50:00 -
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Hoax Theokratis wrote:Even lowend CPUs have multicores ..
But what me real bothered is the assumption old code and old design are obsolete per Definition.
agreed. If that were true, the C Standard Library should be thrown out... |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
272
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:08:00 -
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It'd be cool to have the option to use higher res textures and system backgrounds. The ones we see in videos.
It was pretty disappointing when they made the new backgrounds. The ones they showed off beforehand were much prettier than what we ended up with. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
594
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:48:00 -
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Blastil wrote:Hoax Theokratis wrote:Even lowend CPUs have multicores ..
But what me real bothered is the assumption old code and old design are obsolete per Definition.
agreed. If that were true, the C Standard Library should be thrown out...
As should the wheel!
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
166
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:44:00 -
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Blastil wrote:Hoax Theokratis wrote:Even lowend CPUs have multicores ..
But what me real bothered is the assumption old code and old design are obsolete per Definition.
agreed. If that were true, the C Standard Library should be thrown out... Stdlib is not old code. Its a group of standard functions and definitions used to create new code. Like ingredients for a cake. Once you combine them to get a cake that cake can get old and stale. The ingredients will always be fresh.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
166
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:47:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:IMO the only time CCP should start working on an EVE 2 is when the current code and game engine no longer holds up for what they want or need to be able to do. Thats 5 years ago. Or do you think time dilation is there to improve gameplay rather than save the game from unplayability? |
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic Tribal Band
16
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:53:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Linna Excel wrote:IMO the only time CCP should start working on an EVE 2 is when the current code and game engine no longer holds up for what they want or need to be able to do. Thats 5 years ago. Or do you think time dilation is there to improve gameplay rather than save the game from unplayability?
It does both. It saved one of the game's biggest features, the Null-sec Fleet fight. Now to an extent it ruined it(not as mechanically enjoyable) but it definitely saved it in the larger sense of the spectacle of the fight. It also added gameplay in the logistics of reinforcements being more relevant as well as allowing more meta-gaming and more in game tactical thinking. |
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
21
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:43:00 -
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1) Open a wormhole leading to a new galaxy. 2) Restrict usage to industrial ships, deep space transport and blockade runners 3) Let the wormhole open for 2 weeks 4) Collapse the wormhole forever 5) Let players colonize this galaxy from what they brought : build stations, stargates...
Now you have a New New Eden : Not really EVE 2 but something exciting and new, populated by players who decided to try a new adventure. ----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á BUT NOT ATM :)-á-á-á --- |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10523
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:07:00 -
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Lara Dantreb wrote:1) Open a wormhole leading to a new galaxy. 2) Restrict usage to industrial ships, deep space transport and blockade runners 3) Let the wormhole open for 2 weeks 4) Collapse the wormhole forever 5) Let players colonize this galaxy from what they brought : build stations, stargates...
Now you have a New New Eden : Not really EVE 2 but something exciting and new, populated by players who decided to try a new adventure.
Why close the wormhole? Just restrict it to frigate sized ships.
1 Kings 12:11
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
935
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Technically, this is EVE XIX Still doesn't uses above 2GB Ram and works on a single thread when our average hardware can handle thrice this with no much effort and 2 YO GC's with techs already obsoleted by newest already cheap. So you're complaining that EVE is light enough on resources that you can run it on a mid range to low end PC? Um... why?
A mid range PC with complete tower/screen/keyboard/mouse and sometimes other funky stuff in "zda box" is around 350Gé¼
This king of mid range pc has already multicore pross with at least 2.6MHz and 4 to 6 GB od DDR3 HD with over 600GB capacity and GC's/integrated video chips using 42 nano techs and dedicated DDR5 which is more than enough to handle and play in very good conditions latest games on market and provided of course the customer has a good internet connection.
I know, 350Gé¼ or -ú or $ can be a lot of money for a grand number of people all around the world but I'm pretty sure most if not the entire Eve community players already have this kind of machine available at home and do stuff with. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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