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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.07.05 11:54:00 -
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I can't grasp the notion of someone having the money to not only buy a JF AND load it with 1.2 billion in assets, but also has no clue how to fly it and apparently has no clue about how this game works.
Did you buy your char or something? Because no seasoned EVE vet would ever complain about this ****. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
355
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:06:00 -
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Elder TheRock wrote:NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons
Cargovalue: 1.2 bil
CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!
I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....
and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"
It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....
we will quit now....
THANKYOU CCP Regards Tom Can I have your stuff?
kthxbye |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
368
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:35:00 -
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Starkiller Lothlorien wrote:Wow is wrong ammo to use in forum pvp. Change ammo, maybe hit more. Savvy?
I'm on your side, but I don't know what you're blathering on about with Divine intervention.
Please don't explain.
You don't understand it, but a WoW player who played before all the 4.0.1 changes does (a player you would like in EvE). Part of what I also do is breaking down learning barriers. WoW has over 50% of all MMO players. If EvE ever wants to attract players (and players who remember the old days of gaming) it has to attract them from that source. Plain and simple. EvE has to relate to what they know. Showing EvE as is will be Greek, and at the gate why should they come here if they must start anew?
CCP may not understand it, but it shows relation. Either to not repeat history, or not to reinvent the wheel saving time. It has been done before in a game that is 10x larger. Save your resources or expand and not make the same mistakes.
Players don't understand it, but once they see gaming is a vast domain and offers a lot of possibilities, they will see something that interesting that they would like.
Forums are public. They are open to anyone to read.
I want EvE to succeed, if for anything because I'm paying for it (not playing for free), and it's got to be worth the money. Be it in gameplay, assets, and those little details that show a POLISHED game. To also help remove the public perception of sandbox games, because it needs to be done to attract players. And in this industry, if a game doesn't have the players it doesn't have the money, and without the money...the game doesn't become better, it becomes stagnant. Fastest way for players to leave is that they're bored.
Things on this thread is but an example of it. A player who choses to fly freighters as a "career" is now out of the picture. What will he do in the meantime that is fun to hang around? How long will it take for him to generate billions of ISK to play again? And if he's frustrated about it all, will EvE have a player to replace him if he leaves due to it?
One man's fun, is another man's poison. If the poison can be applied too liberally and easily, can you see how and why it can be a problem now? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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baltec1
Bat Country
7209
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:02:00 -
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Riddle me this.
If freighters are so easy to kill and make heaps of isk doing it why is there only a few dosen kills a month? Seems a rather low number given the hundreds of thousands of trips made every month.
Seem like a very rare thing indeed. |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
21
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:03:00 -
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http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3v2srn/ Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
368
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Riddle me this.
If freighters are so easy to kill and make heaps of isk doing it why is there only a few dosen kills a month? Seems a rather low number given the hundreds of thousands of trips made every month.
Seem like a very rare thing indeed.
Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Rebson
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:14:00 -
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First thing I learn has a new player: Never haul alone in low sec and always check Dotmap for recent ship kills before moving from zone to zone.
basic rule in this game I am surprise you play this for 8 years and didn't know that |
baltec1
Bat Country
7209
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:24:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:baltec1 wrote:Riddle me this.
If freighters are so easy to kill and make heaps of isk doing it why is there only a few dosen kills a month? Seems a rather low number given the hundreds of thousands of trips made every month.
Seem like a very rare thing indeed. Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about.
So this is not an issue and is a rare, easily avoided thing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15380
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:25:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about. GǪok, and what's the reason everyone else isn't doing it? After all, if it was easy and bountiful in ISK, people should be flocking to it like crazy.
Or are you saying that it's not actually that easy or profitable, since there would be nothing to brag about if it were and since they have to go for such high-yield targets to make ends meet, and that it is an exceedingly rare event that doesn't particularly stop anyone from doing what they want (since it's so ridiculously easy to avoid)?
Quote:All I do is offer the examples, and in this case, a perfect one that fits (and a game doesn't need to be WoW to be the same. The problem is that your examples are not relevant to this game and fail to actually explain or exemplify anything going on. You're trying to explain Counterstrike in terms of Farmville. People who GÇ£remember the old days of gamingGÇ¥ and who will enjoy EVE don't relate to WoW GÇö they relate to Ultima Online. So you're already using the wrong language.
Quote:I want EvE to succeed Good news: it already has, and it continues to. It does so by doing nothing that is in any way related to WoW because that segment of the market is spoken for and those players are not interested in a game such as EVE. That's ok. Tastes vary. There are piles upon piles of game-corpses strewn along the road to show that you cannot and should not try to take players away from WoW GÇö the games that have succeeded have done so by being nothing like WoW and by appealing to a different audience. This audience does not speak WoW and probably prefer not to be spoken to in those terms even if they do, since what they're looking for is something completely different.
Quote:Things on this thread is but an example of it. A player who choses to fly freighters as a "career" is now out of the picture. No. He really isn't. A player who chooses to fly freighters as a career also chooses a set of obstacles that come with that career. He is only out of the picture if he decides that he doesn't want to work around those obstacles and learn to be good at his job. This is no different than any other career in EVE. The only thing that puts you out of the picture is your own decisions and choices. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
392
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:27:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:baltec1 wrote:Riddle me this.
If freighters are so easy to kill and make heaps of isk doing it why is there only a few dosen kills a month? Seems a rather low number given the hundreds of thousands of trips made every month.
Seem like a very rare thing indeed. Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about.
So what people have been saying all along about the freighter pilots making themselves into targets by hauling massive amounts of expensive **** all at once is actually correct, whoda thunk it. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:42:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Nightshade Mary wrote:This really makes me wonder how hard this is. It's a Jumpfreighter.
Burn the isotopes to jump close to where you need to go. Then fly the few remaining jumps.
Keep an exit cyno handy.
Yes, it's "easy" to gank a JF. It does however have a very viable exit strategy. So what your saying is its safer to jump into lowsec and then back into high to move an empty jump freighter than move it through high. . . Seems a tad weird dont you think. . .
To be honest, if done properly, it probably is a lot safer.
If you insist on going gate by gate; keep the exit cyno on standby. |
Starkiller Lothlorien
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:49:00 -
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Cannot operate frieghter in Wow either. No haulage at all if I understand correctly. Auction House instant teleport thing?
Now you got me doing it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15380
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:55:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:So what your saying is its safer to jump into lowsec and then back into high to move an empty jump freighter than move it through high. . . Seems a tad weird dont you think. . . Setting aside for a moment that, unless we're talking about wars and denial of strategic assets, no-one attacks a jump freighterGǪ
Bypassing known and obvious choke points being safer than flying straight through them doesn't seem particularly weird, no.
Nightshade Mary wrote:To be honest, if done properly, it probably is a lot safer. Empty systems are always safer. Low has plenty of those, and bottleneck systems GÇö almost by definition GÇö aren't empty. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:03:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:I want EvE to succeed
EVE has steadily grown over the last 10 years and has not experienced any significant drops in subscribers on the way. I don't think anyone here who doesn't want EVE to succeed, but you don't do that by making it attractive to WoW trash who will play it for a while until Blizzard releases new content. There's a difference between accessibility and safety. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
169
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about. GǪok, and what's the reason everyone else isn't doing it? After all, if it was easy and bountiful in ISK, people should be flocking to it like crazy. I think its because most people prefer to play EvE, not game EvE.
Also since this thread is about ganking an empty jump freighter I dont think your last post claiming noone ganks empty JFs |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
78
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:26:00 -
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Anyone know what the average salvage from a freighter/JF is? |
Short Stack122
Knights Of The Chloroform
5
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Posted - 2013.07.06 01:37:00 -
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N00b tears x 1,000,000,000
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:45:00 -
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have you considered carrying less valuble loot so that you are less of a target? or webbing yourself on an alt? or watch listing the known culprits? or avoiding the known systems?
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Maria212
Reliables Inc The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:53:00 -
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How about yall get some ******* and stop acting like children that someone stole a candy from..
You act as highec is a perfectly safe place for you to haul expensive stuff around and think noone can take it away from you?
Well the real life is just the same as high sec... Laws protect you from being robbed by measures taken against thiefs.. But that still doesnt mean someone wont go for it and steal your wallet in the middle of the day, just couse constitution and laws said so...
And what the hell does CCP have to do with your inability of scouting/gathering intel before you haul expensive crap? You blame others for your loss.. The only person here to blame is you.. You know ganks happen since there was EvE.... Scout the gates? Check dotlan for for recent kills? Check if there is alot of faction military ships on gate? Meh....
EvE comunity does not need likes of you that only know to blame others for stupid mistakes they made..
You play EvE for 8 years and still dont know how to avoid getting ganked... GG
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15093
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Posted - 2013.07.06 08:04:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tippia wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about. GǪok, and what's the reason everyone else isn't doing it? After all, if it was easy and bountiful in ISK, people should be flocking to it like crazy. I think its because most people prefer to play EvE, not game EvE. Also since this thread is about ganking an empty jump freighter I dont think your last post claiming noone ganks empty JFs So shooting ships is now gaming Eve, not playing it? Does this mean if you play chess you wouldn't dream of taking someone's queen, as that would be gaming chess?
Oh and Tippia actually said if they at war or are trying to deny others strategic assets, then people would gank empty jump freighters.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Starkiller Lothlorien
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:29:00 -
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Ganking empty shipf all fine, no complaints from CCP only carebears no scout first.
No-score empty gank even better some as forthcoming gankolympics show - less at risk, less prior intel so easier gank.
Still boring though. |
Istyn
Freight Club Whores in space
223
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:08:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Anyone know what the average salvage from a freighter/JF is?
Freighter = metal scraps or something equally worthless.
JF, it depends on which one, but can max out around 1bil if you're very lucky but nobody is ever going to run the risk of ganking for salvage (500m+ drops are really quite rare), and even if you do get a good drop, your entire gank fleet is rendered useless for 15 minutes, so you have nothing to use when something actually worth money passes by. |
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