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Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:43:00 -
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Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
503
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:49:00 -
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I support this pretty good idea.
A safer EVE for us all!
I also would like to propose renaming Old Man Star to "The Barrens". Lock up your staions and hide your daughters.
Nulli incoming |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2706
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:49:00 -
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You should get a few bites.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Braxus Deninard
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
153
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:50:00 -
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I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7122
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:58:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse.
Guess they are trying to get ready for life in high sec under a forever wardec. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:58:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse.
Ummm I took time out to try to think of a way to improve the game for everyone and you decide to attack me personally instead of discussing the idea. Real mature. |
Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:01:00 -
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just because your war time freighters are getting sniped doesnt mean we should get rid of freighter ganking |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:05:00 -
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Aprudena Gist wrote:just because your war time freighters are getting sniped doesnt mean we should get rid of freighter ganking
I don't have anything to do with TEST wartime losses. I am strictly head of our Highsec mining fleet. Please go troll somewhere else serious discussion only. |
Jamagh
Grand Violations
41
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:06:00 -
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While I would like for highsec to be safe, I know that it will never happen. Making it so that you can toggle the PVP flag on or off will just lose them subscriptions. Some people only want to gank. That is how they get their jollies. Do I approve of that? No... not really. But I am not going to try to ruin their enjoyment because I "might" get ganked. I know it s only a matter of time before it happens. It happens. I know that. I accept that I will eventually lose a ship. The best thing to do is move on when it happens. Don't rage at them. "Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."-á CCP Navigator. |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:06:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote: It is high time we end highsec ganking.
Nope.
Quote:PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Nope.
Quote:Pros:+ Easier for new players to get acclimated
Not true. Getting ganked is one of the best and fastest ways to get aclimated to EVE. Putting it off is no going to help anyone.
Quote:+ Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
That's not a pro.
Quote:I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
I propose you eat a sack of gravel. |
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Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
1966
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:10:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
If only I could ban your entire alliance from the forums as easily as I banned them from the from the locates channel for scamming people out of 5mil. Did not know TEST was this desperate for isk. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:13:00 -
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I do not understand the level of toxicity I am seeing here. These are merely ideas I have proposed for discussion.
CCP please remove these forum PVPers from my thread. They are derailing it and personally attacking me and I will not stand for it. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
74
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:15:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2072
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:16:00 -
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Troll post is troll. Next time try on on a toon not in TEST...
0/10
PS:
ISD Tyrozan wrote:Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. LOL, swing and a miss buddy... |
Alara IonStorm
5190
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:17:00 -
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She is ready to be loaded up with your life savings and put on autopilot. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:21:00 -
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Thank you for moving my thread to the correct area. Hopefully these forum PVPers will get a clue that this thread is for serious discussion only. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
186
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:41:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
There is already such flag/switch implemented that you can turn on/off: undock button. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
201
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:44:00 -
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Nice to see this thread has been moved to the correct place, the forum graveyard. This poor horse has been dead for years yet you still beat it. RIP |
Chimpface Holocaust
Zarnfell
1
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:53:00 -
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Expecting a serious discussion in the EVE forums about removing PVP anywhere is like expecting a pack of wild dingoes to not eat the baby you just threw at them |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
740
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:56:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:Thread has been moved to die in Features & Ideas Discussion. fixed that for you.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse. Guess they are trying to get ready for life in high sec under a forever wardec.
No, that just means the null war is taken to high-sec, as the Goons are the epitome of PvE.
Then put a fork in it, because when high-sec becomes null, EvE is over (bye bye to new players; nullbears and their IsBox mining fleets die and doesn't justify the cost to keep them active; and industry grinds to a halt).
Stay in null and leave your PvP paddy cake games down there. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
559
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:31:00 -
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Corps would very much like to remain able to harm the economic progress of other entities, even if their members hide in NPC corps nobody should be invulnerable. Easing in newbs is done in player corps by throwing people for the wolves and casting the bones, not by a safe world or handholding throughout the entire game. A safer hisec has nothing to offer to anyone, except easier access to common resources and an even more inflated market. |
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
6
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:56:00 -
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Hello. I primarily operate in high-security, especially for mining and production, but I 'm going to have to disagree with this suggestion to remove PVP from there. As an industrialist player, I could certainly benefit personally in the short term from never needing to worry about PVP in High, but I do not see how it would be at all good for the longevity of this game as a whole.
Events such as Hulkageddon and Burn Jita 1 & 2 could and most likely have drawn in bursts of new subscriptions by acting as irrefutable proof of the cut-throat player-defined game-play unique to EVE. These help reinforce the point that this kind of game-play can happen anywhere, not just LowSec (Battle of Asakai) or Null (S2NC's disbanding, the big Goon/Test war, etcetera). On a smaller scale but longer duration, we currently have that Goon freighter thing and the New Order coalition running amok with its Knights. These activities rely on the presence of non-consensual PVP, even with CONCORD breathing down their necks as soon as they go weapons hot. While they do cause massive amounts of destruction via ganking, this damage serves two very important purposes:
1. It teaches the new and the complacent that you can die anywhere, and that insufficiently tanked ships will die very quickly. Also, anything will explode once shot at enough times.
By the newer players being vulnerable, they can learn about the dangers of space and the necessity of defensive measures on their ship before they start flying anything big and expensive. The sooner they learn, while their ships and clones are cheap or even free, the better. For the older ones, the loss counts as a reminder of these things.
2. It creates demand. Every ship destroyed needs to be replaced, and it is up to the industrialists to provide them. This applies not only to the industrial, transport, and mining ships, but also the ships used to gank them, because of the omnipotent space police who guarantee cost for the attacker.
Granted, we would still have some demand for these things because of new members and the combat in Low, Null, and J-space, but I recall reading somewhere on these boards where people pointed out High-sec is a significant amount of the player base. If that's true, they're also a significant amount of our market. Without them needing replacements, the builders end up with excess stockpile they cannot move, and prices drop like stones. If miners can never be destroyed, the ore and minerals would flood the market, resulting in collapse. Without the ability to make a profit, because of a glut in supply and sharp decrease in demand, High-sec industry will grind to nearly a halt, if not completely. Some suppliers may try getting into Low/Null/WH corps to market their skills and sell products, but plenty others will simply quit.
CCP updated their tutorials I-don't-know-how-long-ago to incorporate ship loss, with not one but two suicide run missions in the advanced military career tutorial. If you have no ship when you dock in a station, they give you a rookie ship so you can get back on your feet. With these two simple features, the developers make it clear that ships going boom is expected, even in High.
High-sec's safety is quite sufficient where it is, and making it perfectly safe will have unforeseen consequences, regardless of whether CCP does anything else to High to account for the invulnerability. If you can never die in High-sec, many of the people will go there. Few if any targets = the PVPers will get bored and leave, and no action or customers = the builders and miners will get bored and leave. Perfectly safe High-sec = death of New Eden, and I can see that as a 2-month-player. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
277
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:59:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
There is an implicit flag already in the game -- it is linked to the Undock button. Click on that and the volunatary PvP flag is raised.
Working, as they say, As Intended. GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
121
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:17:00 -
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TL;DR
Do I personally want more severe penalties for gankers?
No, because I don't think the current mechanics are mature enough to start applying weird penalties to. Pretty sure if the game had very solid mechanics to do with Pirates VS Carebears - (im making a pun on WoW Horde VS Alliance) where a "pirate" was a very definite class of player mechanic, and NOT just a Jekyll-and-Hyde normal players become for a laugh - then more strict and mechanics WOULD make sense.
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These days, I tend to keep a lot of comments to myself as I already know that by pointing out massive issues in the EVE mechanics, people with blinkers will start shouting about it not being "in the spirit of EVE" or something.
Here goes anyway:
If anyone - and I mean _anyone_ takes an illegal commodity (drugs, slaves, etc), in a ship, into high sec, Concord will fine them instantly at stations, and take away standing and isk AND the goods.
So, all good so far?
You gank a ship in hisec, kill the pilot in the pod, and you just get a standing loss, which for the record means absolutely nothing to the guy doing it, cause it's probably an alt that got dragged out of station just for the purpose of that _particular_ gank, then parked again until that person gets bored again, and the alt is on a perma neg-ten standing anyway.
Why no massive fine? Why not disallow that person from docking at ANY hisec stations for an entire day, week even, hell, make it a month, as we don't like killers drinking with us at our local bar.
Why not?
Cause all the "gankers" will cry foul, ad that "EVE is a cruel universe". All bull; they just want the ability to go out ganking if they feel like without being hassled too much by the mechanics. I don't totally disagree with them, actually, as by the same token, the next time I go rescue "The Damsel" I should be expecting 10 times the NPC ships, cause you know, they got fed up with me taking that cheap hussy away for the 320th time. This month.
EVE is patches on top of patches on top of patches. Good in many ways, but it creates these weird gaps that suddenly become "gameplay", like ganking and can flipping etc etc.
It's my right to say stuff in forums when I don't like something, but I should have ZERO expectation of having it implemented.
Yes, I'd like Hisec/Lowsec/Nullsec to be different in many ways. Bugger if I know what to do that will not create even MORE problems though.
I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1020
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:39:00 -
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0.5/10
And players do have an option not to PVP in Highsec!
This option impressively looks familiar to the undock button!
Now, Biomass yourself on the way out as this, or anything similar to it will NEVER happen! I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
264
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:12:00 -
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If we can get a sponsor for the fee my booties will gladly show test what we think about the idea. My true stories |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:15:00 -
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Tydeth Gilitae wrote:Events such as Hulkageddon and Burn Jita 1 & 2 could and most likely have drawn in bursts of new subscriptions by acting as irrefutable proof of the cut-throat player-defined game-play unique to EVE.
No it brought us newer mining ships that are better REINFORCED and with LARGER ore bays to mine even more.
Cause and Effect.
Be a cause of losing players, the effect is to buff what was being destroyed! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
188
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:32:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:`snip`
Please show on this doll or better KM where those gankers touched you. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Mark Androcius
155
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:04:00 -
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I support this idea...... if at the same time, we reduce the number of high-sec systems to 10.... maybe 20m good luck mining with all that TiDi bitchahs If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
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Mark Androcius
155
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:07:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:DSpite Culhach wrote:`snip`
Please show on this doll or better KM where those gankers touched you.
Originality level -10000, awesomeness level Zero, post value none.
A few more people saying this and the value will drop to minus numbers, which means you'll have to pay me in game, for the privilege of using unoriginal re-posts. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
480
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:40:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not. Oh how I laughed! I'm more pve than pvp and I have lots of problems with traveling in high sec due to wars but hell, even I know why it would be a terrible day if CCP ever made high sec actually safe. All your suggestion would do is to make botting really, really easy and completely risk free.
I have to ask, do TEST use bots for their high sec mining fleet? Botters would be the real ones to benefit from your proposed change so it does make me wonder.
Zah Damaja wrote: Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
Cons: - Will make new player quit the second they step out of high sec due to shock as they would have had no experience of PVP or losing their ships. - Will remove a large portion of the player made content from high sec. - Will remove a large portion of the player made content from high sec. - will remove a large portion of the player made content from high sec.
Zah Damaja wrote:I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want. As previously explained, you flag yourself for pvp when you undock. Whilst docked you have your "I don't want to pvp" flag set. You can play the game without undocking because there are player entities (like Red Frog) who will do all your industrial logistics for you if you want. Oh, but if you removed all PVP from high sec these entities would no longer have a reason to exist so as I said:
- will remove a large portion of the player made content from high sec.
So no.
Have you discussed this with you CEO and/or alliance leaders? I'm not sure they'll like being associated with such a ludicrous suggestion which quite obviously shows a rather substancial level of fear and a complete lack of understanding of why PVP in high sec is essential to the game. |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:26:00 -
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I fully support this. As long as high sec is limited to starter systems only. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Asa Shahni
Tainted Dragons Drunk 'n' Disorderly
0
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:11:00 -
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ganking meta gaming like spys and ransoms ...how could you get rid of that if its not coded into the freakin' game ?
the way i see it is that you want to '' live '' in your own little world and ignore the consequence of living is a sandbox ...is that what
you want ...a theme park where you can watch your laser go '' Brrrrr Brrrr '' all day without using your mind ...well good luck with
that ^^
ps: dont want to get ganked then dont play the game |
Ellon JTC
The Fated E.Y
1
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:21:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
No don't like this idea:
reason is that i've always liked how this game is so realistic. Its a sand box and anything is allowed, even scamming. Just like RL, you're not allowed attacking anyone, but hey you hear it in the news everyday, it happens, and you will pay the consequence.
I would hate to see a pop up window saying: "You are in a region that does not permit attacking other players"
What i would like to see is an improved bounty systems so gankers would be targeted everywhere.
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Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1223
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:04:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:Hopefully these forum PVPers will get a clue that this thread is for serious discussion only. In order to have a serious discussion you first must post a serious topic. This is a bad troll or a lame joke at best. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
790
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:25:00 -
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I suggest that we implement the OP's courageous idea to eliminate highsec ganking by removing highsec. |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:45:00 -
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This just made my day.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Purps
Anatidae Rising
0
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:16:00 -
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Could always extend the crime portion of ganking.
Squad/fleet mates in system are flagged red flashy too (I can see some griefing here) as accessories. The chaps that loot/salvage the goods are considered receiving stolen goods and flagged.
This red flashy won't bring Concord, but will allow everyone else to pew pew you.
People always say they like the risk, but there's no risk in being the collector during a suicide gank, so if we add some it would make things a little more interesting. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
210
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:41:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
no, no, no |
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Coreola
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
18
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:12:00 -
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Part of what makes Eve so unique is there is some level of risk in everything you do. There's no 100% safe place in Eve after you've undocked. There's no time out button. If a gang of people are willing to blow themselves up by Concord in the process of killing you in high-sec, then so be it.
While I understand you'd like to be able to pick and choose the parts of Eve you participate in without that choice being infringed upon, it's just not Eve.
My sole activity in Eve for the first couple years I played was running level 4's. Eventually, I moved to a system closer to Amarr to make trips to the market more convenient. As a result, I had my first run-in's with players scanning down my mission site and stealing my salvage/loot from under me while I was in other rooms. While my initial thought was this was complete crap that they could steal my hard-earned loot, I realized this mechanic was intentionally put into Eve.
The ability for one player to disrupt another player's game play is what makes Eve great. No man is an island, and you and your high-sec mining fleets aren't either. Every single pilot, including high sec miners, are a part of Eve, and occasionally people will do things that **** you off to remind you of it.
Jump, jump, jump. |
Radhe Amatin
Caldari High Prime SpaceMonkey's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:15:00 -
[42] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
HELL NO. stop crying because u lost your billions isk freighter or pve ship or whatever. If you are afraid of losing stuff to gankers stay docked and watch outside the window....if u can find one. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
188
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:35:00 -
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The PVP Flag idea Sounds to much like WoW so no!
But please show the court where the Ganker penetrated your ship when you were AFK. My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1452
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:50:00 -
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Posting in a troll thread
or in a "TEST are worse than I thought how is that even possible" thread |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:54:00 -
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I have put a lot of time and thought into this. I do not understand where the hoards of trolls are coming from trying to attack me personally.
Are there no moderators on the Eve Online Universe forums? Is this Forum PVP?
Obviously the PVP flag works for other VERY POPULAR games. The proof is in the pudding. People love this idea and just because some of you are too immature to understand it is not my fault.
This would be great for the Eve Online Universe.
Serious discussion only please.
BELOW THIS POST IS A TROLL FREE ZONE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1224
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:01:00 -
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There is no such thing as a troll free zone in a troll thread. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
TehCloud
Carnivore Company
61
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:02:00 -
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Your Idea is horrible. The whole concept of EvE is about the players being in a harsh, relentless and unforgiving environment.
Everytime you undock you agree to nonconsensual pvp, so deal with it. My Condor costs less than that module! |
NotTheSmartestCookie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
9
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:05:00 -
[48] - Quote
Although I applaud your initiative I suspect that the mining community is not yet ready for CCP to move all asteroids belts to lowsec. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Ex Cinere Scriptor
1966
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:15:00 -
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The only way to balance such a proposal would be to eliminate all forms of ISK income that could not be achieved exclusively when docked. All reward and access indexes are currently balanced with consideration of PvP risk, however remote that may seem.
Transporting goods specifically requires undocking, so while you could have market access to other areas, local access to goods would be prohibited.
No missions, or mining, or NPC's to be shot at.
Possible use: Setting up your HUD and overview in a safe area. Parading expensive ships considered gank targets in high sec.
Access to these systems would need to be restricted if player is on cool down for hostility timers. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
I think if we had some sort of cooldown for the timer so that you couldn't switch it on and off at will it would make sense. This feature, to choose when to PVP, would add a lot to this game.
I also noticed some trolling after I declared the remainder of this thread a NO TROLL ZONE. Please refrain. |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15059
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:36:00 -
[51] - Quote
I was going to give this thread 6/10, but his posts on this page have made me re-evaluate this..
He's trying way too hard, poor effort. 1/10
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:38:00 -
[52] - Quote
Mag's wrote:I was going to give this thread 6/10, but his posts on this page have made me re-evaluate this..
He's trying way too hard, poor effort. 1/10
Umm the only thing I'm trying hard about is keeping trolls like you out of my legitimate idea to improve this game. Thanks for wasting everyones time. Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Forum Representative GÇ£A leader leads by example, not by forceGÇ¥-á-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15059
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:40:00 -
[53] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:Mag's wrote:I was going to give this thread 6/10, but his posts on this page have made me re-evaluate this..
He's trying way too hard, poor effort. 1/10 Umm the only thing I'm trying hard about is keeping trolls like you out of my legitimate idea to improve this game. Thanks for wasting everyones time. Way too hard. Try learning from this failure and you'll do much better next time. Well, one would hope so.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:42:00 -
[54] - Quote
NO TROLL ZONE BELOW THIS LINE _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Forum Representative GÇ£A leader leads by example, not by forceGÇ¥-á-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15059
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:48:00 -
[55] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:NO TROLL ZONE BELOW THIS LINE _________________________________________________________________________________________________ So how are you going to reply to other posts then? Surely you'll have to follow your own rules?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:57:00 -
[56] - Quote
Mag's wrote:Zah Damaja wrote:NO TROLL ZONE BELOW THIS LINE _________________________________________________________________________________________________ So how are you going to reply to other posts then? Surely you'll have to follow your own rules?
Obviously the forum MODs determined my post to be legitimate, otherwise they wouldn't have moved my post to the OFFICIAL FEATURES AND DISCUSSION forums.
Nice try though, troll.
CCP I will not stand for being slandered by this troll any further. Please remove him from my thread he is trying to derail it. Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Forum Representative GÇ£A leader leads by example, not by forceGÇ¥-á-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15059
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:Mag's wrote:Zah Damaja wrote:NO TROLL ZONE BELOW THIS LINE _________________________________________________________________________________________________ So how are you going to reply to other posts then? Surely you'll have to follow your own rules? Obviously the forum MODs determined my post to be legitimate, otherwise they wouldn't have moved my post to the OFFICIAL FEATURES AND DISCUSSION forums. Nice try though, troll. CCP I will not stand for being slandered by this troll any further. Please remove him from my thread he is trying to derail it. I'm merely replying to your posts. You brought up the rule regarding trolls, are we not allowed to participate in how the rules apply here?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:05:00 -
[58] - Quote
Mag's wrote:Zah Damaja wrote:Mag's wrote:Zah Damaja wrote:NO TROLL ZONE BELOW THIS LINE _________________________________________________________________________________________________ So how are you going to reply to other posts then? Surely you'll have to follow your own rules? Obviously the forum MODs determined my post to be legitimate, otherwise they wouldn't have moved my post to the OFFICIAL FEATURES AND DISCUSSION forums. Nice try though, troll. CCP I will not stand for being slandered by this troll any further. Please remove him from my thread he is trying to derail it. I'm merely replying to your posts. You brought up the rule regarding trolls, are we not allowed to participate in how the rules apply here?
Your forum etiquette is reprehensible. Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Forum Representative GÇ£A leader leads by example, not by forceGÇ¥-á-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
170
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:19:00 -
[59] - Quote
0/10
As stated before, I could go higher if he wasn't trying so hard. Terrible idea and you should feel terrible. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:35:00 -
[60] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote: Obviously the forum MODs determined my post to be legitimate, otherwise they wouldn't have moved my post to the OFFICIAL FEATURES AND DISCUSSION forums.
No, no, no, you don't get it, this is where they move ideas to die. Good or Bad. In this case it has been just way to fun to troll in the Official troll thread that was given to us by the ISD. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
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Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:31:00 -
[61] - Quote
TehCloud wrote:Your Idea is horrible. The whole concept of EvE is about the players being in a harsh, relentless and unforgiving environment.
Everytime you undock you agree to nonconsensual pvp, so deal with it.
Agreed.
Highsec doesn't equal risk free, nor should it.
I myself don't do a lot of PvP, (because I still suck at it) and I'm really just in it to chase the ISK. But, when I move a whole bunch of ore around to get the best price that I can, I accept the risk that I can potentially get ganked, even in highsec.
Frankly, I WANT the risk. Otherwise, what's the point of even playing? I'd rather be pissed off at being ganked than be bored out of my mind! |
Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:02:00 -
[62] - Quote
I would think of CONCORD simply as the police. They're there to enforce the laws, yes, but they don't have any obligation to protect you. Matter of fact, if you try to protect yourself in highsec, CONCORD might very well tag YOU as the criminal, and you get to say 'bye bye' to your ship for your effort. Do you want to say 'bye bye' to an expensive mining barge, and take that as a total loss? Not me! I'm a freelance industrialist. I'm not that rich!
Get insurance. The more, the better. Run if you can. Die if you must. If you got the cash, slap a bounty on the ganker. Just be prepared to accept losses in the search for profit.
But in my honest opinion, as far as the mining aspect goes, the larger threat to me is not the suicide gankers. It's the AFK miners and bots. If there's no rocks, then there's no money, and no materials for manufacturing ****. I can only get so much for ratting, and salvage, and it's barely a pittance, which leaves me planetary materials and a lot of hauling stuff around to fall back on. Otherwise, I'm hauling rock out of lowsec just to keep things going. If the New Order is willing to come my way to clean that mess up, I'm more than willing to buy a mining permit, and I'll even join in on the bumping if I'm bored enough. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10543
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:12:00 -
[63] - Quote
The EVE economy depends on ship loss to keep turning. No one gets to be immune from losing their share of assets while still accumulating them.
1 Kings 12:11
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Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:53:00 -
[64] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:The EVE economy depends on ship loss to keep turning. No one gets to be immune from losing their share of assets while still accumulating them.
Just yesterday, I lost a Venture in lowsec to rats while off being stupid. Good thing those boats are cheap, though. Besides, I feel that it's good and healthy to be slapped in the face once in a while. It keeps you from sinking into complacency, and going soft. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2301
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:02:00 -
[65] - Quote
Posting in a 100% legit thread.
I say we vote on this one now and get the CSM pushing it ASAP!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
98
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:07:00 -
[66] - Quote
Stop putting up fences in my sandbox! |
Shaade Silentpaw
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:10:00 -
[67] - Quote
I find the risk of ganking makes usually tedious highsec tasks more exciting. It can be an enjoyable (however small) rush when ferrying valuable cargo out of/around Jita/Amarr/etc, and having to constantly watch your back when mission-running in a ship worth several billion isk again adds another element of excitement. I can see where you are coming from, players who don't want to PVP shouldn't be forced to (I suppose) - but that's just the nature of EVE. |
1Robert McNamara1
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:29:00 -
[68] - Quote
OP, Word of advice - if you're going to produce a terrible idea and put it on the EVE-O forums for review, expect to have it mocked and laughed at. If you cannot stomach the 'trolls' then whine about hi-sec ganking somewhere else.
Other players in Eve get it. This is a dangerous game full of mean people, and the nice people enjoying the struggle against them. It's fun because that challenge exists. Eve is significant because actions have real measurable consequences. It's niche because that challenge and risk exists throughout the sandbox. You're absolutely right, there are very popular games with kiddie pools. Those games don't have player events that make the news, In those games, player actions are not significant, in those games 'gold farming' is protected by the game from the players. Those games are not significant.
That you rose to a director level of such a large organization with the notion that PVP can be or should be removed from any corner of Eve is laughable. Whoever put you there should reconsider their decision. I'd want my hi-sec mining director to embrace the cruelness of eve, not lobby for it's castration. |
Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
Shaade Silentpaw wrote:I find the risk of ganking makes usually tedious highsec tasks more exciting. It can be an enjoyable (however small) rush when ferrying valuable cargo out of/around Jita/Amarr/etc, and having to constantly watch your back when mission-running in a ship worth several billion isk again adds another element of excitement. I can see where you are coming from, players who don't want to PVP shouldn't be forced to (I suppose) - but that's just the nature of EVE.
PvP is simply a part of EVE. Though you don't have to take part of it, it CAN take a part of you whether you like it or not. That aspect of the game is why I subscribe in the first place. EVE is not designed to be played like World of Warcraft, so if you take PvP out, the game will have no life to it. Highsec mining will simply be a treadmill task, best performed by bots. Actually, it's already like that now to a large extent.
Yes, I understand that some miners see the New Order as a threat. However, from my point of view, I see it as an opportunity. I'm not a fan of their evangelism, but they nevertheless have a valid point. Furthermore, their interests are not in conflict with mine. Also, 10 mil in ISK for a yearly permit? That's what? An hour's worth of mining at most on a good boat? Some people might call that extortion, but I call it good business. They clear out the bots and the AFK miners, and that leaves more rocks for those of us that play EVE legitimately. Therefore, it's a cause that's worthy of my support. |
Vrenth
Black-Talon
17
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
It has been stated by CCP OVER and OVER. They want pvp in empire space. They don't want anywhere in eve to be devoid of risk. They want you to die in empire space if you are not paying attention or fitting your ship correctly. Every action in eve has consequences, including autopiloting your freighter without escorts and not fitting a tank capable of fending off it's value in Catalysts.
Concord is not there to protect you, and they never will be. They are there to provide consequences in an OPEN PVP ENVIRONMENT.
PS. Sorry for the caps, but the italics on these forums are hardly noticeable, and those points must be emphasized. |
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Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:17:00 -
[71] - Quote
Vrenth wrote:Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War It has been stated by CCP OVER and OVER. They want pvp in empire space. They don't want anywhere in eve to be devoid of risk. They want you to die in empire space if you are not paying attention or fitting your ship correctly. Every action in eve has consequences, including autopiloting your freighter without escorts and not fitting a tank capable of fending off it's value in Catalysts. Concord is not there to protect you, and they never will be. They are there to provide consequences in an OPEN PVP ENVIRONMENT. PS. Sorry for the caps, but the italics on these forums are hardly noticeable, and those points must be emphasized.
Exactly.
If CCP wanted a no risk environment in empire space, then for example, why are there NPC rats in empire space in the first place? I've lost quite a few ships while ratting due to my own stupidity back when I first started. Even in highsec space. I even lost a couple of cruisers, too.
I lived and I learned. Lessons like that aren't cheap, and that is the point. There's no point in crying butthurt about it neither, and we don't need to be saved or hand held by either CONCORD, CCP, or by anyone wanting 'freedom' from the consequences of their own actions! |
Ash Katara
The Damned and the Doomed
14
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
The reality of this is that EVE is a PvP game. There is no way around that. Unlike most PvP-centric games a good portion of the world space is moderately safe from unwanted PvP. CCP will never remove the ability of one player killing another player anywhere in space so long as the player who initiated the engagement is willing to suffer the in game consequences. The entire economy of EVE is based around the concept they we as players are going to blow up stuff. It you take that option off the table, the economy in EVE dies. All those PvE players mining, rating, trading, and building things will no longer have a means of income as the need for the resources they gather and sell will dry up.
If CCP decide that in order to attract more players, they need to make a more safe area of space for them, I imagine they might put more safe guards in place which only exist in very high security areas of space, say 0.9-1.0 systems. Personally as a mostly non-PvP player I feel that space is too safe in general and the relative safety is not in sync with system security ratings.
You already have Concord in high sec, you have sentry guns at gates and stations is high and low sec. What additional safety measures do you think are reasonable, which do not limit what other payers are capable of doing. |
Biron Soringard
Enheduanni holdings The Enheduanni
2
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:47:00 -
[73] - Quote
Nope. Just Nope. "Undock" is the "I consent to PvP" button |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:00:00 -
[74] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:Ummm I took time out to try to think of a way to improve the game for everyone and you decide to attack me personally instead of discussing the idea. Real mature.
A statement of opinion, even as if it were a fact, is not a personal attack.
Zah Damaja wrote:CCP please remove these forum PVPers from my thread. They are derailing it and personally attacking me and I will not stand for it.
#1 The forums do not exist in high-sec therefore you are subject to forum PvP. #2 If you won't stand for it then sit. Grab a chair and quit whining. At least you have the option of standing for it when para/quadriplegics don't.
ISD Tyrozan wrote:Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
You missed The Trashcan...
Tchulen wrote: Cons: - Will make new player quit the second they step out of high sec due to shock as they would have had no experience of PVP or losing their ships.
Yeah... Sorry, no, but the first taste I ever got of PvP was when I went low-sec mining after a few weeks of playing. My next taste was when trying to rat in low-sec. I didn't experience high-sec PvP first, I didn't do any "practice" PvP, and those were my first ships lost.
Seven years later I'm still playing. Your idea that new players quitting due to low-sec PvP being a "shock" is refuted by the fact that people have continued and still continue to play after low/null-sec being their first PvP experiences.
Zah Damaja wrote:Obviously the PVP flag works for other VERY POPULAR games. The proof is in the pudding. People love this idea and just because some of you are too immature to understand it is not my fault.
I actually I hate PvP "flags" in traditional MMOs. I also hate that you can't gank the d-bags on your own "side/alliance/faction" for acting like d-bags. There have been dozens of times in, for example, World of Warcraft where I almost prayed that some deity would intervene and let me gank the stupid tank, idiot DPS, or incompetent healers. Then there are the people in warfronts in Rift who just sit on the sidelines talking s*** about everyone else on their team, how they all suck and aren't trying and are losers for it, or who are just botting it up for the free PvP rewards, all of whom ought to be killable by everyone on the field and not just the few people on the other team who might get to them.
In comparison to that EVE is awesome.
__________
I'm a PvP-averse carebear, and I cannot possibly support this idea. EVE provides something relatively unique in the MMO market and destroying that would destroy EVE's uniqueness. Also, I hear that games like Freelancer and X3 provide pretty good experiences for people who want high-sec EVE without PvP. |
Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:49:00 -
[75] - Quote
Don't want to be ganked in highsec?
Simple.
Learn how to gank back! Learn how to make friends so you can get vengeance with a show of force! Put a bounty on his head so that someone else can do the ganking. Catch him while he's can flipping so that you can fire at will without being sanctioned by CONCORD.
Or, go mine somewhere else, and maybe you won't be ganked again, either by the same guy, or someone else.
Learn how to bump other miners and ruin their day.
Learn to accept that there is NO free ride to profit, and that there is a potential to lose at any time. You have to accept risk in order to have a good return.
Learn to have an appetite for tastier rocks in lowsec, as well as how to mine and dash in a hurry.
Learn how to take tasty rocks from blown up ships like a scavenger, as well as can flipping dead rats for tasty morsels.
Hell, learn how to be a pirate, and just be a nuisance to everyone!
Also important is to learn how to HTFU!! You don't have to be a 'nice guy' in EVE with the expectation that everyone will be nice right back. However, it's good to be respectable while you stab someone in the back, or take his loot after someone else blows him up, or when you get blown up yourself with a shitload of stuff. Why? Because this is a GAME, and we're meant to be having fun doing these things. (or at least I think so)
Just don't whine about how 'it isn't fair' because you were singled out! EVE, like real life, isn't fair. Man up, and push forward! |
WolfSchwarzMond
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
As a current TEST member. 1 BORT has no mining operation 2 This idea is so REDACTED stupid I have no words. 3 You're all being trolled. |
WolfSchwarzMond
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:59:00 -
[77] - Quote
double post for some reason |
Robert Saint
Playright
77
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:52:00 -
[78] - Quote
Although I am basically a High Sec only player at the moment...
It's much more fun knowing that "There is some element of risk" to playing the game. High Sec Ganking is a very fair system, since there is a bit of balance to it. Any yes, I've had my freighter ganked in Jita, but I haven't since....
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Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:20:00 -
[79] - Quote
Robert Saint wrote:Although I am basically a High Sec only player at the moment...
It's much more fun knowing that "There is some element of risk" to playing the game. High Sec Ganking is a very fair system, since there is a bit of balance to it. Any yes, I've had my freighter ganked in Jita, but I haven't since....
I currently operate in both highsec and lowsec as a freelance miner/industrialist. Just lost a Corax destroyer a little while ago for not paying attention to my environment while can flipping for goodies in highsec. Being pod killed was kind of a bummer, but on the other hand, I was quite a few jumps away from by base of operations, and I eliminated the rest of my journey upon my death.
Now, I'm vacationing in Halaima after a 30 jump lucrative haul into lowsec.
And yes, after blowing through Jita a few times, I'm convinced it's quite the house of ill repute. But, it makes the game all the more interesting. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2013.07.07 04:31:00 -
[80] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:Thank you for moving my thread to the correct area. Hopefully these forum PVPers will get a clue that this thread is for serious discussion only.
Why so serious? I can has blogging skills! |
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2013.07.07 04:33:00 -
[81] - Quote
Okay, here's an honest question for the debate, if you deflag yourself, will other players still be able to trick the system into making you PvPable like with can flipping or loot stealing? If we make high sec pvp an option only how far are we going with this?
Also, what happens to hulkageddon and burn jita? I can has blogging skills! |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2013.07.07 04:38:00 -
[82] - Quote
WolfSchwarzMond wrote:As a current TEST member. 1 BORT has no mining operation 2 This idea is so REDACTED stupid I have no words. 3 You're all being trolled.
A member of a major alliance trolling the forums? GASP!!! The non-story of the year! I can has blogging skills! |
Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
141
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Posted - 2013.07.07 05:36:00 -
[83] - Quote
Swiftstrike1 wrote:Stop putting up fences in my sandbox!
You get out from my sandbox where I wanna build walls |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10574
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:08:00 -
[84] - Quote
I cant believe people are taking this seriously.
1 Kings 12:11
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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:36:00 -
[85] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I cant believe people are taking this seriously.
It's a slow day. |
Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:47:00 -
[86] - Quote
Linna Excel wrote:Okay, here's an honest question for the debate, if you deflag yourself, will other players still be able to trick the system into making you PvPable like with can flipping or loot stealing? If we make high sec pvp an option only how far are we going with this?
Also, what happens to hulkageddon and burn jita?
If you make PVP a flaggable option in highsec, then I may as well just play World of Warcraft instead.
I don't want to play in a game universe where I can't do this and I can't do that in some ghastly space pseudo socialist order in order to make the crybabies happy. Gah! I want to steal your crap in highsec, and suffer the consequences of doing that when I'm sleeping behind the wheel! Maybe I want to blow up other suspects and take their loot, too! If I can get shot down in highsec for being a bad guy, then at some point I'll want to respond in kind to another player.
Why?
Why not? I just want to start a conversation once in a while. People do start conversations IRL from time to time, no? However, If you simply grind rocks in highsec all day, then you end up talking to no one, and you're not playing the game to your full potential.
If people want to play like carebears, then that's all fine and good, too. However, I'm not going to fight for their protection. I might mine with them for a bit, or I might just bump them for my sick pleasure. If people get suicide ganked while I'm in the neighborhood, then I'll break out the popcorn and watch the show. |
Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:54:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:Zah Damaja wrote:Thank you for moving my thread to the correct area. Hopefully these forum PVPers will get a clue that this thread is for serious discussion only. Why so serious?
Having fun is serious business. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I cant believe people are taking this seriously.
I'm taking this thread as seriously as one clown kicking another clown in the nuts.
The answer of course is to require all people to have a Gold LOL ranking before they can enter high sec. I blame CCP and their irrational hatred of Ahri for all this. I can has blogging skills! |
George Boothe
Blootered Bastards
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:22:00 -
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This idea is awesome! But just having some kind of flag might make it too much like WoW. How about you can redeem a plex and then for a month you could opt out of pvp in highsec? If a month is too long, scaled, smaller amounts of time might be purchasable in which one can opt in and out of pvp. So lets say 2.99$ for an hour of "No-pvp" or something like that. We could call these payments "Monetary Investments Capable of Reintroducing Order", or M.I.C.R.O.-Transactions |
Michael Hickey
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:06:00 -
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Microtransactions. Bleccch! |
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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:48:00 -
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George Boothe wrote: We could call these payments "Monetary Investments Capable of Reintroducing Order", or M.I.C.R.O.-Transactions
I prefer Monetary Investments in Creating Regional Order. |
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