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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:03:00 -
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First of all - a quick thanks for the upgraded Exploration UI - its fantastic.
Now then - Ive been online in lo sec nearly every day since Odyssey but I've not seen ONE example of 'team /multi-player exploration' in a data/ relic site in all this time.
(i have seen squabbling frigates trying to kill each other with their probes though )
As the stated aim of CCP was to make exploration a team effort ( many posted against this ) will they admit that so far this has failed? Also, I don;t know what the Gnosis was all about, but all I'm seeing are exploration fit frigates.
This isn't a ' told you so' post, but a possible fix is :-
- keep the new players coming in to Lo sec- but reintroduce RATS into some ( valuable) sites.
This should kickstart the team stuff that CCP wanted and also get some better ships coming into exploration sites again.
Lo- sec is certainly busier, but in my corner of Eve, it's quantity not quality.
Exploration & Exploration related PVP is now easier , but much less satisfactory than before.
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Elder Ozzian
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
66
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:22:00 -
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I suggest tech-1 exploration cruiser with better bonuses and cargo-bay than the frigates. Perhaps even "can scoop two minicans at one time" role bonus. But then again, if I suggest this, then this post should be in "features and ideas" subforum. I disagree! |
Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:32:00 -
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if you want rats in exploration sites, go WH space. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5367
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:35:00 -
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Elder Ozzian wrote:I suggest tech-1 exploration cruiser with better bonuses and cargo-bay than the frigates. Perhaps even "can scoop two minicans at one time" role bonus. But then again, if I suggest this, then this post should be in "features and ideas" subforum. It wouldn't matter much, since the frigates available are good enough for all the data and relic sites, get most of the loot and have sufficient cargohold for extended trips. They also have superior survivability in travel, so your proposed cruiser would be a downgrade compared to both the frigates and cruisers already used for the job.
An exploration cruiser wouldn't be a bad idea though, but I'd like to see it do something actually different. A solid reason to favor it over the scanning frigates, covops and T3s for some, perhaps new, type of exploration. |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:42:00 -
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Sex Slave Girl wrote:if you want rats in exploration sites, go WH space.
Explain to me how that improves lo-sec experience - which is what my post was about. |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:50:00 -
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Elder Ozzian wrote:I suggest tech-1 exploration cruiser with better bonuses and cargo-bay than the frigates. Perhaps even "can scoop two minicans at one time" role bonus. But then again, if I suggest this, then this post should be in "features and ideas" subforum.
Simpler solution - just reintroduce some Rats back into some sites. The ships already exist to fight them.
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Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:00:00 -
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Zen Dad wrote:Sex Slave Girl wrote:if you want rats in exploration sites, go WH space. Explain to me how that improves lo-sec experience - which is what my post was about.
Low sec is fine as it is, go null sec or wh space for eve endgame content. |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:51:00 -
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Sex Slave Girl wrote:Zen Dad wrote:Sex Slave Girl wrote:if you want rats in exploration sites, go WH space. Explain to me how that improves lo-sec experience - which is what my post was about. Low sec is fine as it is, go null sec or wh space for eve endgame content.
Thanks for the advice - I'm going to ask some Nulli Secunda members about their 'end game content' satisfaction before I make any decisions. |
Evei Shard
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:44:00 -
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CCP makes changes to the mechanics that result in an influx of low-skill easy kill targets into lowsec, and yet someone still finds a way to complain. Only in Eve. Profit favors the prepared |
Winter Archipelago
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
58
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:44:00 -
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Zen Dad wrote:Thanks for the advice - I'm going to ask some Nulli Secunda members about their 'end game content' satisfaction before I make any decisions.
I would like to point out this quote, from Totalani:
Totalani wrote:While we lost 350Billion and the Renter Sov, itGÇÖs not that huge. This is EVE, events like this has happened before and it will happen again. But this is the first time it has happened to us. We are handling this situation with a cool head and sorting out what needs to be done, I donGÇÖt suspect this cleanup will take more than a few days. We will make sure we recheck our roles and security to ensure this doesnGÇÖt happen again.
which can be found at http://themittani.com/news/s2n-aftermath-totalani-speaks-line-holds
You might want to research opinions before attempting to point at people and say "They agree with me" and similar comments.
As for rats in exploration sites... that was what sites were like before, and do you know what people did? They didn't run them together, with one combat ship and one exploration ship, they would take the exploration ship, scan down a site, reship/refit to a combat ship, go kill the rats, dock back up, reship/refit back to exploration mode, then loot the sites.
Adding rats back to exploration sites will only put said sites right back to where they were before: people won't go out in pairs or fleets, they'll just reship or refit as they need. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
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Isaac Collins
Penumbra Military Industrial Complex
18
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:44:00 -
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So 5/10 and 6/10 combat sites (Commonly found in low sec) have a chance of dropping 1 billion isk worth items. Do you just ignore these sites existence or do you have friends who are a bunch of chicken shlts and decided you'd come to complain on the forums? |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
311
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:48:00 -
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I run these sites with friends and/or an alt all the time. No sense letting half the lootsplosion get away. I love Dust514. But it needs more EVE. Read my idea on how to do this at General Tso's Alliance blog: http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2013/06/dust514-uprising-needs-moar-eve.html |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:44:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:CCP makes changes to the mechanics that result in an influx of low-skill easy kill targets into lowsec, and yet someone still finds a way to complain. Only in Eve.
Yes, lots of kills but I was pointing out that something has lost, something intangible and mysterious, something you'll never understand.
Try to understand also that in the absence of any other channel, the forum is the only place to let CCP know your opinion.
It's not just a complaint - try and comprehend that if you can - Im talking to CCP not you. |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:49:00 -
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Isaac Collins wrote:So 5/10 and 6/10 combat sites (Commonly found in low sec) have a chance of dropping 1 billion isk worth items. Do you just ignore these sites existence or do you have friends who are a bunch of chicken shlts and decided you'd come to complain on the forums?
Err no, but I keep getting blown up
i'm solo so I dont have any friends locally to my systems - and if I did they wouldn't include someone as mouthy as you.
It's not a complaint BTW - just an opinion directed at CCP.
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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:00:00 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:
You might want to research opinions before attempting to point at people and say "They agree with me" and similar comments..
Not pointing at anyone - and that quote is pure Alliance propaganda to keep people in bondage down your ISK mines....
Winter Archipelago wrote:
As for rats in exploration sites... that was what sites were like before, and do you know what people did? They didn't run them together, with one combat ship and one exploration ship, they would take the exploration ship, scan down a site, reship/refit to a combat ship, go kill the rats, dock back up, reship/refit back to exploration mode, then loot the sites.
Adding rats back to exploration sites will only put said sites right back to where they were before: people won't go out in pairs or fleets, they'll just reship or refit as they need.
Look, Ive spent over a year hunting in exploration sites, I know what they were like, I wasn't advocating teaming up, thought it would never happen anyways and my post clearly states that. Adding rats back to SOME sites ( read the post) will mean that some sites will require a better ship and not just yet another frigate. |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:06:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:I run these sites with friends and/or an alt all the time. No sense letting half the lootsplosion get away.
If you do I don't doubt you - I just haven't witnessed it yet in all the systems I cover ( Aridia and Genesis).
And thanks for not berating me for having an opinion! |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
561
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:20:00 -
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Signing in just to post I almost never run these sites myself anymore, but I do enjoy helping out a corpmate because you never know who tries to jump you, and having a pvp capable ship at your side definately helps! I got some very nice loot from derpy kills this way too (That covops that always slips by the gate? It's hacking those sites uncloaked nowadays ), and handling scattering it together... yeah, you get all the useless stuff too, but it's mainly about minimizing the risk you don't get the nifty blueprint that you actually want. I do have to say most of these sites get ran out of oppurtunity when our home system is calm, I'm not going out of my way to find them anymore unless I actually want some decryptors for reasons. |
Hann Spree
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:11:00 -
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Zen Dad wrote:Winter Archipelago wrote:
You might want to research opinions before attempting to point at people and say "They agree with me" and similar comments..
Not pointing at anyone - and that quote is pure Alliance propaganda to keep people in bondage down your ISK mines.... Winter Archipelago wrote:
As for rats in exploration sites... that was what sites were like before, and do you know what people did? They didn't run them together, with one combat ship and one exploration ship, they would take the exploration ship, scan down a site, reship/refit to a combat ship, go kill the rats, dock back up, reship/refit back to exploration mode, then loot the sites.
Adding rats back to exploration sites will only put said sites right back to where they were before: people won't go out in pairs or fleets, they'll just reship or refit as they need.
Look, Ive spent over a year hunting in exploration sites, I know what they were like, I wasn't advocating teaming up, thought it would never happen anyways and my post clearly states that. Adding rats back to SOME sites ( read the post) will mean that some sites will require a better ship and not just yet another frigate.
Why would they need to add rats to these sites, as you have said you have been camped on these sites for a year.
Wake up You are the RAT! |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:30:00 -
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you said - Why would they need to add rats to these sites, as you have said you have been camped on these sites for a year.
Wake up You are the RAT![/quote]
Camping is a load of lazy blokes in a gate camp shooting noobs and reducing Eve retention rate. i am a fearless but sneaky Solo hunter - If you come in a BS I will still have a go.
And I cover over 60 systems in rotation so thats an expedition - not camping.
You dont like the idea of people taking you by surprise? |
Lee Hekard
Photon Scorpions
18
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:36:00 -
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Zen Dad wrote:i am a fearless but sneaky Solo hunter
Ni99a please. |
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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:44:00 -
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Lee Hekard wrote:Zen Dad wrote:i am a fearless but sneaky Solo hunter Ni99a please.
ok - you got me -Ni99a ? |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:56:00 -
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Lee Hekard wrote:Zen Dad wrote:i am a fearless but sneaky Solo hunter Ni99a please.
Ni99a - 0?
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Barron Hammerstrike
RISK Inc.
36
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Posted - 2013.07.24 14:48:00 -
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Sex Slave Girl wrote:if you want rats in exploration sites, go WH space.
I ran a WH data site and the drone wrecks netted more ISK than the junk the cans provided. I didn't even bother hacking the last can. IMHO post Odyssey exploration is utterly weakballz. there is no old system anymore |
Barron Hammerstrike
RISK Inc.
36
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:05:00 -
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"Now then - Ive been online in lo sec nearly every day since Odyssey but I've not seen ONE example of 'team /multi-player exploration' in a data/ relic site in all this time."
-- Me neither and I've done plenty of exploration (I'm masochistic that way). In fact I don't see any team work anywhere Hi, low, null, or WH. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.
"As the stated aim of CCP was to make exploration a team effort ( many posted against this ) will they admit that so far this has failed? Also, I don't know what the Gnosis was all about, but I just see frigates, frigates and more (yawns) frigates."
-- I took my Gnosis out for some WH exploration, but who would be brazen enough to take theirs into lowsec where every gate could be someone else's kill mail?
"keep the new players coming into Lo sec- but reintroduce RATS into some ( valuable) sites."
-- Rats aren't why people do exploration in Lo sec. It was the increased odds of getting decent loot.
"This should kickstart the team stuff that CCP wanted and also get some better ships coming into exploration sites again."
-- I doubt putting rats in the sites will kick start anything, although I do get your line of thought. Rats to keep teammates busy right?
"Lo sec is certainly busier, but in my corner of Eve, it's quantity not quality."
--Is it busier? I haven't noticed and there's certainly more sites due to ease of locating them with less quality rewards in regard to the risk and effort put in to exploration.
"Exploration & Exploration related PVP is now easier , but much less satisfactory than before."
--Totally agree, although I haven't seen much PVP either. there is no old system anymore |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
587
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:13:00 -
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There are some circumstances in which using a second player to scoop cans is a good idea, just not too many of them.
The loot distribution is more or less trivialized by having a cargo scanner and knowing what cans have which loot. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:47:00 -
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Barron Hammerstrike wrote:"Now then - Ive been online in lo sec nearly every day since Odyssey but I've not seen ONE example of 'team /multi-player exploration' in a data/ relic site in all this time."
-- Me neither and I've done plenty of exploration (I'm masochistic that way). In fact I don't see any team work anywhere Hi, low, null, or WH. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.
"As the stated aim of CCP was to make exploration a team effort ( many posted against this ) will they admit that so far this has failed? Also, I don't know what the Gnosis was all about, but I just see frigates, frigates and more (yawns) frigates."
-- I took my Gnosis out for some WH exploration, but who would be brazen enough to take theirs into lowsec where every gate could be someone else's kill mail?
"keep the new players coming into Lo sec- but reintroduce RATS into some ( valuable) sites."
-- Rats aren't why people do exploration in Lo sec. It was the increased odds of getting decent loot.
"This should kickstart the team stuff that CCP wanted and also get some better ships coming into exploration sites again."
-- I doubt putting rats in the sites will kick start anything, although I do get your line of thought. Rats to keep teammates busy right?
"Lo sec is certainly busier, but in my corner of Eve, it's quantity not quality."
--Is it busier? I haven't noticed and there's certainly more sites due to ease of locating them with less quality rewards in regard to the risk and effort put in to exploration.
"Exploration & Exploration related PVP is now easier , but much less satisfactory than before."
--Totally agree, although I haven't seen much PVP either.
My line of thought was more devious and selfish - the rats mean people have to use better ships to tank them - which means nicer wrecks to loot and better PvP.
So now I'm reduced to raping frigates in a bastardised Purifier - and having a hoot ATM
P.S. hate the hacking game - gave it a fair trial but now I don't bother - just loot the fools who do it.
Another set of level V skills are down the pan.
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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
141
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There are some circumstances in which using a second player to scoop cans is a good idea, just not too many of them.
The loot distribution is more or less trivialized by having a cargo scanner and knowing what cans have which loot.
In all honesty - the only time I have seen two ppl in the same site, it was a pair of T2 frigates trying to bump each other off the cans and probably reduced to using handbags against each other.
Funny to watch this co-operation in action.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
588
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:58:00 -
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Zen Dad wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There are some circumstances in which using a second player to scoop cans is a good idea, just not too many of them.
The loot distribution is more or less trivialized by having a cargo scanner and knowing what cans have which loot. In all honesty - the only time I have seen two ppl in the same site, it was a pair of T2 frigates trying to bump each other off the cans and probably reduced to using handbags against each other. Funny to watch this co-operation in action.
I do a lot of it in lowsec, so I just kill anyone I find there.
But yes, there isn't really a lot of cooperation inherent in the loot spew system. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
263
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Posted - 2013.07.24 17:07:00 -
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Casual explorers have mostly stopped doing sites. More dedicated explorers scan the cans and know what to grab and so they don't need help.
Really when my corp did exploration fleets we used the extra people to scan down sites faster. Once you get there do a quick scan of the cans and tag the ones for your best hacker to go and crack. |
Spurty
912
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Posted - 2013.07.24 17:14:00 -
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- if you want a challenge, fly a badger in low sec. - If you want quality, leave low sec (it's not there for quality, its just where null sec people jump to, to get to high sec easier). - if you want to find a 'gudfite', again leave low sec. It's bear MkII space. People don't engage here if they can't win without loss (N vs 1 fights are horrible).
--- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
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