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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:56:00 -
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Galdar Nox wrote:I get more dps with heavies on a caracal. Do you guys still recommend rapid light? :)
In level 2 missions, most of the rats are going to be frigates. So light missles are your best option.
Examine the info of some missles. You'll see things like explosion velocity and explosion radius. The smaller these numbers are, the more of the missle's damage will be delivered when compared to the target.
A frigate has a small radius. A light missle has a small explosion radius.
You may find this link helpful,
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage
On a related note, does anyone remember those graphic damage calculators that used to be on the old eve web site? Where did they go? |
C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
191
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:59:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:On a related note, does anyone remember those graphic damage calculators that used to be on the old eve web site? Where did they go?
this? |
Arkenai Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1841
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:00:00 -
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Galdar Nox wrote:I get more dps with heavies on a caracal. Do you guys still recommend rapid light? :) Yeah. Heavy missiles don't hit as effectively against small targets - they're designed to hit medium sized ships, rather than the small ones you see in level 2 missions. Rapid light missile launchers will be much more effective against small ships. While your paper dps of your missiles is higher with heavy missile launchers, more of it will actually be applied to the target if you use rapid light missile launchers. Sig'd.-áGallente FW best FW. |
Adunh Slavy
1072
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:01:00 -
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C DeLeon wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:On a related note, does anyone remember those graphic damage calculators that used to be on the old eve web site? Where did they go? this?
Yeah, that thing |
sason kuro
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:46:00 -
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target navigation prediction Warhead Upgrades
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Galdar Nox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:49:00 -
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sason kuro wrote:target navigation prediction Warhead Upgrades
wow, great skills. Thanks :D |
Silverback Zylo
Miners and Runners
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:04:00 -
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Many people hate the certificate planner, it can get you skilling useless skills. It's worth using when you're new. Focus on Core Competency Basic, Active & Passive Shield Basic and Missile control basic. Getting the skills for these cert will guide you on available skills and give you a platform to build on. The advantage of missile control before other missile skills is they apply to all sizes. Also look at getting some T2 equipment, like Ballstic Control Units. They increase damage and RoF, check the requirements and skill them up.
However as said, Eve is not a pickup and win out the box. It takes time, patience and planning to succeed. Good luck and stick at it, don't let being new deter you. |
Norm Tempesta
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:10:00 -
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Not a missile guy myself but since you are new, don't forget your handy http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports.
It may save you some ship losses. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1976
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:10:00 -
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Level 2 = mostly frigates with the odd cruiser = Use a Rapid Light Missile Launcher to spew light missiles.
Caracal are bonused for these:
5% bonus Rapid Light, Heavy Assault and Heavy Missile Launcher rate of fire 10% bonus to Light, Heavy Assault and Heavy Missile Velocity
Use a Drake and heavy missiles when you reach level 3, which are mostly cruisers with the odd battlecruiser (and rare battleship). |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:20:00 -
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Galdar Nox wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Keep flying that Navy Scorp if you want to lose it. What do you mean I will lose it? :P A caracal is probably better but i feel pretty safe in a navy scorpion :)
Because in game mechanics make it so someone can do "something" you don't like and will trigger an aggression timer where he can engage you at will and kill you without your permission or Concord intervention. And just because it's a Navy ship even T1 or meta 0 fitted there will always be a jerk doing this just to pave his killboard.
In Eve no where is safe the moment you undock and at the very same moment you accept PVP. High sec has different mechanics from other areas but if someone wants to mess with you he will find how, specially against a noobie like you who doesn't have a single idea about Eve and its pvp mechanics.
And you can believe me if I tell you the simple fact you posted here there are already jerks typing your nick in agent finders to come mess with you just because they can and feel special doing so.
However if this happens you might get help from some GM if the guy abused of something particular, the GM only decides at which moment he abused or not of your "nooblet" attitude and can cost him a quick ban or some tears and rage for you.
Just ask questions in help channel or join known corporations helping noobies to get used with Eve and your progression will be way faster and better, Eve University is one of them, RvB is another one with specifics to learn pvp and start winning isk etc, plus you make plenty of new friends and get contacts with older players having alts in those corps and at some point this might be interesting for your Eve career.
Welcome to Eve and hope you enjoy this cold harsh place that is Eve
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:30:00 -
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My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
362
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:35:00 -
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Galdar Nox wrote:I really like my missiles and was wondering how to get more dps? I have trained som skill levels at heavy missiles and such and I have 2 missiles rigs, more damage and "cooldown"
Level 5 skills (no way around it, even with rigs and other methods to boost it), especially Rapid Fire, as the worst thing about missiles that affect DPS is the long flight time. Faster you can fire = more missiles incoming = more damage. Other skills ensure you'll hit the target harder, and can hit more agile ships.
Also don't forget skilling up those drones. Level 3 missions you'll learn how important they become, especially handling the many smaller ships that can hurt. Missile boats supplement their slower DPS with drones. Get Scout Drones + Drone Interfacing to level 5 pronto.
And another thing, don't forget EFT. Experiment with fits. Lower skills you'll usually will use the rigs to supplement the lack of defense skills, which is why it's a waste to use the things like the Calcification rig for extra DPS, as you need to survive getting swarmed (and running out to a station to recover shields or repair is time inefficient). You'll never know if your mission will escalate (lost my Raven in a level 4 due to a horrible escalation with over *10* webbers [lost count after that], the freaking room was completely full of red +s, with the little webbing suckers faster than I can speed away...so much for that mission walkthrough of only 4 of them). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:51:00 -
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Klymer wrote:/facepalm
Stop using a Navy Scorpion for L2's and switch to something like a Caracal with Rapid Light Missile Launchers.
Caracal works for lvl3s too... even. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ ...end transmission... |
dal Rayl
Nightwing Trade Administration
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Posted - 2013.07.03 23:51:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Is a fail fit, I'm surprised u didn't put reinforced bulkheads on it, after all the raven never has enough hull
AB caracal with rapid light launchers for lvl 2s, put all BCUs in lows, rest of mids with shield extenders and one rat type hardener
Drake and HMs for lvl 3s, similar fit to your caracal, drake can also be used for the easier lvl 4s, once u have more skills
Cruise raven or cruise navy scorp for lvl 4s, with micro jump drive and sensor booster with lots of BCUs in lows for lvl 4s, again skills are important here. |
Fenix Caderu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:55:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Drake and HMs for lvl 3s, similar fit to your caracal, drake can also be used for the easier lvl 4s, once u have more skills
Cruise raven or cruise navy scorp for lvl 4s, with micro jump drive and sensor booster with lots of BCUs in lows for lvl 4s, again skills are important here.
Was just about to say something along those lines. And you actually do get a slight boost from some navy hulls as a low SP toon. You don't get better DPS with the normal drake over the navy drake, for example, until you train up the battlecruiser skill and supporting ones. So if you must have bling, try the navy drake with HML's for lvl1-4 and your BS with cruise launchers for lvl 4's.
I prefer a prop, either AB, MWD or MJD on a long range missile BS. This helps a low SP toon that can't tank well yet. You won't need a lot of tank if you're not getting hit, which you won't be at your optimal. You do need to get there, though, with speed. Rats are slow so AB is enough. I also don't get how anyone can stand traveling from room to room at 150-200 m/s...you don't need to be cap stable, you just have to know how to manage your cap.
As for missile DPS, explosion radius/speed is a big factor on anything smaller than battleship rats. The biggest threats are the warp scrambling and webbing frigates that tackle you and allow the other rats to get in range. Everything else, you can eventually kill no matter what your DPS is. I suggest fitting some rigor rigs to your BS. You'll get through missions a lot faster too. DNI doesn't need rigors, just a target painter, so rigs can be for damage and cap.
Fill up the lows with BCU II's on most missile setups.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3839
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:00:00 -
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sason kuro wrote:target navigation prediction Warhead Upgrades
Guided Missile Precision Propulsion Jamming Target Painting
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Galdar Nox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:11:00 -
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Fenix Caderu wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Drake and HMs for lvl 3s, similar fit to your caracal, drake can also be used for the easier lvl 4s, once u have more skills
Cruise raven or cruise navy scorp for lvl 4s, with micro jump drive and sensor booster with lots of BCUs in lows for lvl 4s, again skills are important here.
Was just about to say something along those lines. And you actually do get a slight boost from some navy hulls as a low SP toon. You don't get better DPS with the normal drake over the navy drake, for example, until you train up the battlecruiser skill and supporting ones. So if you must have bling, try the navy drake with HML's for lvl1-4 and your BS with cruise launchers for lvl 4's. I prefer a prop, either AB, MWD or MJD on a long range missile BS. This helps a low SP toon that can't tank well yet. You won't need a lot of tank if you're not getting hit, which you won't be at your optimal. You do need to get there, though, with speed. Rats are slow so AB is enough. I also don't get how anyone can stand traveling from room to room at 150-200 m/s...you don't need to be cap stable, you just have to know how to manage your cap. As for missile DPS, explosion radius/speed is a big factor on anything smaller than battleship rats. The biggest threats are the warp scrambling and webbing frigates that tackle you and allow the other rats to get in range. Everything else, you can eventually kill no matter what your DPS is. I suggest fitting some rigor rigs to your BS. You'll get through missions a lot faster too. DNI doesn't need rigors, just a target painter, so rigs can be for damage and cap. Fill up the lows with BCU II's on most missile setups.
Im flying a drake now on lvl 3's and have a dps of 190 (31.6 per launcher) and im struggling at some missions, Its not like im in danger of being destroyed (yet) but some ships that has shield booster takes me a loooong time to take down, I often run out of missiles before I can get them :S |
Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:50:00 -
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You know.... i bet this is that guys CCP just hired.
using PLEx to do dumb things, check.
treating plex like pay to win and then asking why hes not uber.
i really think this is that guy. |
dal Rayl
Nightwing Trade Administration
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:35:00 -
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Quote:Im flying a drake now on lvl 3's and have a dps of 190 (31.6 per launcher) and im struggling at some missions, Its not like im in danger of being destroyed (yet) but some ships that has shield booster takes me a loooong time to take down, I often run out of missiles before I can get them :S
190dps is a bit low for a drake, u may want to fit some BCUs (ballistic control units) on some of your lows, get caldari battlecruiser to lvl 4 (helps with the tank too) and read mission intel (I know people tend to skip this) and get rid of the omnitank and just harden for the main type of damage the rats do
Buffer tanks (like large shield extenders on a caracal or drake) instead of active (ships with local reps/shield boosters) make mission a lot less of a pain in the ass too, when u have the skills for it.
Navy ships now give u better real (not paper) at low SP, but are a big investment and not fun to loose, on the other hand, standard ships can do just as much dps now, can be insured, so u worry less about loosing them and can play with fits more. ie, get your fit right on a standard ship, then go for the navy one if u must. |
Fenix Caderu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:24:00 -
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Galdar Nox wrote:Im flying a drake now on lvl 3's and have a dps of 190 (31.6 per launcher) and im struggling at some missions, Its not like im in danger of being destroyed (yet) but some ships that has shield booster takes me a loooong time to take down, I often run out of missiles before I can get them :S
Try 3-4 BCUIIs, a calefaction rig or two, and of course scourge ammo...If you're talking about killing shield boosting frigates/Dessie's, try the rigor rigs or the DNI, and make sure it's the right ammo for the rat. You should be doing better dps than that soon, just keep training.
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Galdar Nox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:08:00 -
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Fenix Caderu wrote:Galdar Nox wrote:Im flying a drake now on lvl 3's and have a dps of 190 (31.6 per launcher) and im struggling at some missions, Its not like im in danger of being destroyed (yet) but some ships that has shield booster takes me a loooong time to take down, I often run out of missiles before I can get them :S Try 3-4 BCUIIs, a calefaction rig or two, and of course scourge ammo...If you're talking about killing shield boosting frigates/Dessie's, try the rigor rigs or the DNI, and make sure it's the right ammo for the rat. You should be doing better dps than that soon, just keep training.
I already had 3 BCU and 2 rigs, one damage and one rate of fire.
I can start training for BCUll :P |
Galdar Nox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:09:00 -
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Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:You know.... i bet this is that guys CCP just hired.
using PLEx to do dumb things, check.
treating plex like pay to win and then asking why hes not uber.
i really think this is that guy.
I dont care how much of a noob I might look like on this site, I'm getting all kinds of valuable information and knowledge from all of you.
All I have to say is, thank you all :) |
Jayem See
Biohazard.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:18:00 -
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I started reading this thread with high hopes.
Since when did GD become a fountain of help and friendly advice?
Nobody even pointed to the correct sub-forum!
Relish this moment OP - there won't be many like it!
Aaaaaaand relax. |
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