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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.12.01 23:09:00 -
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Would it make perhaps more sense if its dronebay was reduced to 90m3, allowing it a full rack of meds, and 4 spare, without its current ability to use 5 heavy drones, with both drone interfacing and cruiser V damage bonus. Basically, it does all the damage an ishtar does, while nossing at about 35k and draining more cap than multiple large nos, and tracking disrupting with permanent 25% bonus. I dont object to the uber-nos nor tracking, they make it damn fun by the looks of it, but please dont take away the ishtar's role entirely!
With medium drones boosted as they are (lots more damage), and a set of T2s with these bonuses, the Curse will put out more damage than the rook with its un-bonused 5 heavy launchers, or even the Lachesis with both damage and RoF bonuses. With 5 heavies, it would do crazy amounts of damage.
I'm not asking for a "nerf", per se, before its even released, but just some equality with ishtar pilots, and a sense of balance compared to the other combat recon.
100m3 would give it 4 heavies, still a little much, and 50m3 gives it no backups when drones are lost, so I feel 90m3 is adequate - if there's enough CPU, you could still fit a drone control mod in a spare hi (not gonna use all 5 for nos at 200 grid each!), and launch 6! ---:::---
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 23:30:00 -
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It's the new thorax -.-
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Woopie
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Posted - 2005.12.01 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK It's the new thorax -.-
How's so? By that logic the Ishtar is the 'current' thorax...
No really, totally different class. Comparing it to it's own class it's not that uber, all those ships (combat recons) are uber.
Secondly with the heavy drone nerf, meds will probably be the prefered drones anyways and why shouldn't a drone carrier have spare drones??
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Woopie
Originally by: KilROCK It's the new thorax -.-
How's so? By that logic the Ishtar is the 'current' thorax...
No really, totally different class. Comparing it to it's own class it's not that uber, all those ships (combat recons) are uber.
Secondly with the heavy drone nerf, meds will probably be the prefered drones anyways and why shouldn't a drone carrier have spare drones??
I mean't it's the new thorax because it's a weak cruiser that will get used by everyone with the skills to fly it. It will probably be called the 'new solo ship' when RMR comes out.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.12.01 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Woopie
Originally by: KilROCK It's the new thorax -.-
How's so? By that logic the Ishtar is the 'current' thorax...
No really, totally different class. Comparing it to it's own class it's not that uber, all those ships (combat recons) are uber.
Secondly with the heavy drone nerf, meds will probably be the prefered drones anyways and why shouldn't a drone carrier have spare drones??
I want it to have spare drones, but not so many that it can basically annihilate everything, by using heavies. With their 125m sig res on sisi, heavies will still destroy cruisers and up, and thats enough. Heaives are not nearly as nerfed as you think. ---:::---
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Woopie
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Posted - 2005.12.01 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Woopie
Originally by: KilROCK It's the new thorax -.-
How's so? By that logic the Ishtar is the 'current' thorax...
No really, totally different class. Comparing it to it's own class it's not that uber, all those ships (combat recons) are uber.
Secondly with the heavy drone nerf, meds will probably be the prefered drones anyways and why shouldn't a drone carrier have spare drones??
I mean't it's the new thorax because it's a weak cruiser that will get used by everyone with the skills to fly it. It will probably be called the 'new solo ship' when RMR comes out.
And that's bad how....? It doesn't have less skills than HAC, it probably wont cost anything less (if it become popular) and it's easier to kill. Like you said it's a weak cruiser and people are way overrating it. Ishtar will still remain a pwn mobile. Much better suited for taking on larger targets, were is Curse would probably be pwnd. Curse wont tank much better than a T1 cruiser and wont be half as good in more than 1 vs 1 battles. So I see nothing wrong with it having some firepower... meh?
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Hobblin I
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Posted - 2005.12.01 23:57:00 -
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Ishtar user commenting about other ships being overpowered
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.12.02 00:14:00 -
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Code freeze for the win.
Whine all you want ________________________________________________________
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2005.12.02 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Code freeze for the win.
Whine all you want
Code Freeze does not mean that the stats can't or won't change. _________________________________________________
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Woopie
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Posted - 2005.12.02 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Brown
Originally by: Meridius Code freeze for the win.
Whine all you want
Code Freeze does not mean that the stats can't or won't change.
No, but one thing is quite certian, all pre-emptive whining (if I may be so bold to call it that) will be ignored. If this was a result of some actual play testing it might, but it is just ones option, which he is freely to make I may add.
I'm quite sure CCP has done quite alot of play testing on those ships or they wouldn't have this weirdo bonuses. I think alot of people are underestimating both Rook and Lachesis.
I also dont think people even begin to realize the impact of a 40km web.. who cares about the tracking penality on the new t2 ammo when you can have this sweet thing dual web anything in combat range for you. Granted, you could do so with tackers to begin with, but this is instant. Over all I can't wait to see those hit TQ - unnerfed.
Personally I think people are gona be suprised when they find out that those ships are much more a tincan than a I-win-button. - but if I'm wrong I'm sure CCP will do something about it (like bs, missiles, thorax, etc, even ishtar..?).
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xeno calligan
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Posted - 2005.12.02 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta Would it make perhaps more sense if its dronebay was reduced to 90m3, allowing it a full rack of meds, and 4 spare, without its current ability to use 5 heavy drones, with both drone interfacing and cruiser V damage bonus.
Perhaps you should reread Tux's 2nd drone dev blog. All drone bays will be cut in half to compensate for the increased damamge post RMR, so the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim will end up with 75m^3 while the Ishtar end up with 125m^3 + 50m^3/lvl.
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Sinas
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Posted - 2005.12.02 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: xeno calligan
Originally by: El Yatta Would it make perhaps more sense if its dronebay was reduced to 90m3, allowing it a full rack of meds, and 4 spare, without its current ability to use 5 heavy drones, with both drone interfacing and cruiser V damage bonus.
Perhaps you should reread Tux's 2nd drone dev blog. All drone bays will be cut in half to compensate for the increased damamge post RMR, so the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim will end up with 75m^3 while the Ishtar end up with 125m^3 + 50m^3/lvl.
Pretty sure 150 is after being cut...
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.02 04:18:00 -
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The stats on the server right now are what you'll see when they hit TQ. 150m3 is the number after the reduction...
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.12.02 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Woopie
Originally by: Doc Brown
Originally by: Meridius Code freeze for the win.
Whine all you want
Code Freeze does not mean that the stats can't or won't change.
No, but one thing is quite certian, all pre-emptive whining (if I may be so bold to call it that) will be ignored. If this was a result of some actual play testing it might, but it is just ones option, which he is freely to make I may add. [...]
You can't playtest a ship you get get ahold of. Considering how well CCP anticipated many of the things people have done in Eve (logistics, gankageddons, dualies, hyper tanks, etc etc etc), I really don't think CCP's playtesting is something they can crow about.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.12.02 05:15:00 -
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the sky is falling, nerf the sky, its too powerful. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!" |
xeno calligan
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Posted - 2005.12.02 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sinas Pretty sure 150 is after being cut...
Originally by: KilROCK The stats on the server right now are what you'll see when they hit TQ. 150m3 is the number after the reduction...
- Check the stats in the Item Database
- Check the stats on TQ
- Read Tux's dev blog
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.02 10:00:00 -
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IMO i vote for another variant, ship restricted usage
atm provided you have skills to use 10 drones, if your ship can carry 10, you can use them.
What if the ship could carry 50 drones but only 10 could be launched, wether you could use 50 or not.
That way, you always have some spare.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.12.02 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: xeno calligan
Originally by: Sinas Pretty sure 150 is after being cut...
Originally by: KilROCK The stats on the server right now are what you'll see when they hit TQ. 150m3 is the number after the reduction...
- Check the stats in the Item Database
- Check the stats on TQ
- Read Tux's dev blog
Then go on SiSi and look at the curse, not the arbitrator? All ships on SiSi have the reduced drone bay already, so Curse is at 150m3. ---:::---
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2005.12.02 13:10:00 -
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Who cares about heavy drones? Post RMR their accuracy will be nerfed to hell.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.12.02 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword Who cares about heavy drones? Post RMR their accuracy will be nerfed to hell.
You are wrong.
At 125m sig res they're perfect for shooting cruisers and HACs, with full damage on BC and BS. Ie, they're only no good at shooting frigates, and if you carry 5 heavies in a curse you can still fit 5 lights to launch on those! Lights damage have been massively upgraded, so will be very effective, especially when frigates cannot tank or MWD while being mega-nossed. ---:::---
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2005.12.02 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta
Originally by: Shadowsword Who cares about heavy drones? Post RMR their accuracy will be nerfed to hell.
You are wrong.
At 125m sig res they're perfect for shooting cruisers and HACs, with full damage on BC and BS. Ie, they're only no good at shooting frigates, and if you carry 5 heavies in a curse you can still fit 5 lights to launch on those! Lights damage have been massively upgraded, so will be very effective, especially when frigates cannot tank or MWD while being mega-nossed.
Of course, but usually most pvpers fly frig-sized ships, and if you use 5 heavies and 5 lights you got no spare at all to replace losses.
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Tassi
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Posted - 2005.12.02 13:31:00 -
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It will be the first khanid ship that will "own". Please leave it!
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2005.12.05 20:40:00 -
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Well meh, looks like the whiners got their way again. Drone bay is now 75m3.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2005.12.05 22:09:00 -
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Hmp. It wa soverpowered but giving it a 100m^3 drone bay would have done. Oh well, it was neve rsupposed to eb a drone ship but a Nos ship.
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sehrine
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Posted - 2005.12.05 22:21:00 -
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its all fine the curse losing some of its drones, but its drones are still one of its defining features, so why has it got less drone bay than the minmatar one. that to me makes no sense as the min one has its weapons and weapon bonus, doesn't need a compliment of drones plus reserves great than that of the curse who will be ****** once it runs out of drones
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.12.05 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: sehrine its all fine the curse losing some of its drones, but its drones are still one of its defining features, so why has it got less drone bay than the minmatar one. that to me makes no sense as the min one has its weapons and weapon bonus, doesn't need a compliment of drones plus reserves great than that of the curse who will be ****** once it runs out of drones
The minmatar recon ships, Huginn and Rapier both have 40m3 of drone space. Gallente ones also have 40, and the Caldari have 0.
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sehrine
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Posted - 2005.12.05 22:29:00 -
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so basicly its a flat drone cut across the board, ok that means its all ok, im going to leave now knowing that the tech 2 arbitrator gets the life on TQ it deserves (and ofc the first ever properly useful khanid ship)
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.05 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven Well meh, looks like the whiners got their way again. Drone bay is now 75m3.
woot! victory
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK The stats on the server right now are what you'll see when they hit TQ. 150m3 is the number after the reduction...
I love it when people make definitive statements like this. Particularly when they turn out to be wrong.
(Not in any way personal, just a general observation that people shouldn't state things as facts to support their case unless they actually have reason to do so)
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:44:00 -
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Haha.
So an Amarr Khanid ship is finally semi-decent and its nerfed before even being released. We've been whining about the sucky Khanid ships for months and theres fckall being done about those.
The Irony of it All.
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