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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
441
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:14:00 -
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One thing I noticed about ice mining is that the 10 mack fleets with the orca and charon seem to get most of the ice and clears out the belt.
So if you come with your single mack, you can expect to get jack poop for the entire belt is vacuumed up.
So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.
So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.
Great job. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9503
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:23:00 -
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It's called competition, turning a formerly infinite resource into a finite one tends to cause it. Now you have to figure out ways to get what you consider to be your share of the ice. The tools are already in the toolbox, you just have to learn to use them.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:23:00 -
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Yeah I'm noticing the same thing in pretty much every ice belt system I visit.
Always 8-14 Macks, an orca and a freighter. I manage to get maybe 2 cargoholds full once I arrive before the ice is all gone.
Granted I only do ice mining when I'm watching a movie, youtube, chatting on comms or doing some actual work, but still it's more than slightly annoying. Another thing is if a second multiboxer shows up to vaccume the ice, it's all totally gone in 15-25 minutes from spawning.
Yes yes, go to low/null sec and you get it all I know that, but sometimes you just want to relax in space shooting rocks (even though most of the time if your solo it's best to just mine asteroids). |
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
441
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:24:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It's called competition, turning a formerly infinite resource into a finite one tends to cause it. Now you have to figure out ways to get what you consider to be your share of the ice. The tools are already in the toolbox, you just have to learn to use them.
So the solution is to buy more accounts from CCP? I see this whole change was designed to make more money where no money existed before? I mean that is the only real way to compete right?
Great job. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:33:00 -
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the solution is to join the new order |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9512
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:59:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It's called competition, turning a formerly infinite resource into a finite one tends to cause it. Now you have to figure out ways to get what you consider to be your share of the ice. The tools are already in the toolbox, you just have to learn to use them. So the solution is to buy more accounts from CCP? I see this whole change was designed to make more money where no money existed before? I mean that is the only real way to compete right? Screw the solo player. In order to compete you must buy more accounts. Great job. Think outside the box young padawan, sure you can buy more accounts and sit there plugging away at the ice for a while until it depletes, there are certainly other options though, most of which involve denying access to the ice via intimidation and explosions, and they're probably more fun to boot. Off the top of my head you can
- Contact other independents experiencing the same, and get some alts rolled for the sole purpose of ganking any mining ship that doesn't belong to your own group. (works really well on people hiding from PvP in NPC corps)
- Hire Mercs to remove the non NPC corp competition from the ice
- Start a war on non NPC corps that you see taking what you consider to be yours (see Mercs)
- Contact your local New Order representative, they just love target rich environments
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
486
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:57:00 -
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Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Desiree Sirena
Dark Blood Industries Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:07:00 -
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Ok, buying more accounts for the sake of harvesting more ice is just plain ridiculous. Every account you add is (at least) $12.50 more OR 500 million ISK per month.
if it takes 40 hours to mine enough isk for a plex, then it's going to take 40 hours of mining AT LEAST to support all of your accounts no matter how many you have.
In terms of ISK/hr, just regular mining or lvl 4 mining missions (if you care to go that far) is somewhat on par with ice mining, but is a hell of a lot more convenient and available. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9535
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:07:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice. This is what I'm talking about, cut throat business practices are very in keeping with the ethos of Eve.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Soloman Jackson
Badabing Salvage Corp
10
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:20:00 -
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I usually just send a message to the Orca pilot and ask for an invite to fleet. More often than not an invite is sent. Then you gain the boosts from the big ole beast and can hoover your own pile of ice. "Badabing Salvage Corp at your service. Taking care of all abandoned wreck sites, making the universe a better place. One pile of crap at a time." |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
487
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:22:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice. This is what I'm talking about, cut throat business practices are very in keeping with the ethos of Eve.
It's what has to happen if OP wants a bigger share of the ice. Right now, that ice field belongs to the multiboxer, because he goes in and takes it.
OP, if you want that ice, then you have to take it. You have to make it totally unprofitable for the multiboxer to mine that field. You and the rest of the indy miners need to either buy mercs or get in ships yourself and destroy this person. Gank his Macks, gank his Orca, and even better, bump and gank the hell out of his freighter. Destroy his haul of ice, day after day, until he packs up and goes elsewhere. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:22:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice. No reason to waste perfectly good tornados, 6 blaster catalysts per ship do the job fine. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2848
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:51:00 -
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Before the change I got a hold of an ice miner and snagged 2B worth of ice.
That ice now has a value of 2B ISK.
The only conclusion I can come up with is that either people have so much hoarded that it might be years before it gets used up or it could be that the limited supply is plenty to cover the needs of those who use it. In any case I switched to ore sites and am doing just fine. I have to pay the tiniest bit more attention but the iskies per hour are about the same probably. I don't actually sell it. I refine it and build freighters with it. Sure can't do that with ice.
So just to have something that remotely comments on the OP, I'd say to all the little solo guys to switch to ores. It's nearly as relaxing and the bots don't go into ore sites so in the right systems you can grab most of the ore before anyone notices that it spawned.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1275
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:59:00 -
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Soloman Jackson wrote:I usually just send a message to the Orca pilot and ask for an invite to fleet. More often than not an invite is sent. Then you gain the boosts from the big ole beast and can hoover your own pile of ice.
But that still doesn't allow him to sit endlessly mining ice in the same spot all day.
I ran into this with ore when I was first getting into the game. You can talk to the big guys and they might leave you some, might not. HTFU!...for the children! |
Nex Killer
Drunk3n Warfare
42
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Posted - 2013.07.05 02:09:00 -
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I box 3 accounts and I try it mine ice now with this update and it just hard now. I hop into a belt and within like 15mins the belt is gone because of the 10-15 macks with a ocra and freighter. I would love it if CCP made a ice mining laser for the venture if they did that I'm done with highsec and I'll move right into a low sec system in a heartbeat.
SO CCP MAKE A MINING LASER FOR THE VENTURE SO I CAN MINE THAT SWEET ICE IN LOW SEC!! |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
204
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:09:00 -
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leave tradehub areas and receive isk
or blow up miners with discoballs
hire the new order for help
bump macks
ye ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:31:00 -
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i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?..... |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9557
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:35:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?..... Your reasoning for this?
CCP nerfed the infinite ice for a reason, whether it was to create a conflict driver, or to make the passive cash cow it represented more in line with other forms of income or just because they felt like it is a question only they can answer. Meanwhile those who used to harvest it all day without competition are feeling the pinch and they only way they're going to get the ice they see as theirs is to fight for it.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1094
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:36:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.
Great job.
Sounds like a great job indeed. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Soloman Jackson
Badabing Salvage Corp
10
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:37:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?.....
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Emolgranlan
There are systems like this that have two ice belts....
"Badabing Salvage Corp at your service. Taking care of all abandoned wreck sites, making the universe a better place. One pile of crap at a time." |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3851
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:40:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?..... Your reasoning for this? CCP nerfed the infinite ice for a reason,
Having the anomalies respawn elsewhere in the constellation or region, with some variance to the four hour timer, would go a long way towards changing the current system of miners undocking with 10 seconds left on the timer, ready to warp to the ice field the moment it appears. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
83
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:09:00 -
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Yeah, they should have at least made them spawn randomly through out the region. If not also require them to be probed out.
Not that I care much. Ice mining is too boring and unprofitable, POS ownership too annoying, and I don't plan on flying capitals anytime soon if ever. I know people who ice mine a lot though, and have dropped by to check it out a few times. Each time the ice field popped quick, and there was always an obvious hardcore multiboxer. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9559
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:17:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?..... Your reasoning for this? CCP nerfed the infinite ice for a reason, Having the anomalies respawn elsewhere in the constellation or region, with some variance to the four hour timer, would go a long way towards changing the current system of miners undocking with 10 seconds left on the timer, ready to warp to the ice field the moment it appears. Can't say that I disagree with you there, at the moment it's almost a Pavlovian response.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
162
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:55:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:One thing I noticed about ice mining is that the 10 mack fleets with the orca and charon seem to get most of the ice and clears out the belt.
So if you come with your single mack, you can expect to get jack poop for the entire belt is vacuumed up.
So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.
So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.
Great job.
1. At what time did they pop the last asteroid? Set a timer for 4 hours and be the first one there.
2. Go to another system with ice that is less populated, they still exist.
3. Friend a lowsec corp, mine in lowsec with dscan and local. Stay aligned when someone is close and always orbit.
4. Join a nullsec indie corp mine with a team in nullsec.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2988
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:05:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:One thing I noticed about ice mining is that the 10 mack fleets with the orca and charon seem to get most of the ice and clears out the belt.
So if you come with your single mack, you can expect to get jack poop for the entire belt is vacuumed up.
So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.
So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.
Great job.
Hire some mercs.
Gank them for a week. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7205
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:09:00 -
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Join a corp that ice mines? |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1553
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:07:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.
Wow... Sean Decker works fast!
Ammatar - Matari by blood, Ammarian by the Grace of God. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
569
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:13:00 -
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The only Ice mining activity I am involved in is helping the guys haul the refined products. Our corp only mines Ice for POS fuel purposes. I never get complaints about belts being sucked dry or reports of those bot-fleets. Then again we operate a good bit away from the nearest trade hub. I'm no fan of multiboxing hoarders myself, but I kind of agree with the gentlemen suggesting removal of the competition via ganking, bumping, and other nefarious means! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
670
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:01:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.
So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.
Great job.
You know this is an MMO right???? Join or form an ice-mining corp and setup group mining operations.
Problem solved.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 11:44:00 -
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Nex Killer wrote:I box 3 accounts and I try it mine ice now with this update and it just hard now. I hop into a belt and within like 15mins the belt is gone because of the 10-15 macks with a ocra and freighter. I would love it if CCP made a ice mining laser for the venture if they did that I'm done with highsec and I'll move right into a low sec system in a heartbeat.
SO CCP MAKE A MINING LASER FOR THE VENTURE SO I CAN MINE THAT SWEET ICE IN LOW SEC!!
I kinda like the idea of making the venture more able to mine pretty much anything with the right gear. It shouldn't be more efficient than exhumers but it's already a nice little boat for newbies and alts to mine with, and as evidenced by your post it's cheap enough it actually encourages people to step outside of empire and take a little risk.
Heck, how about a T2 venture with an extra high turret slot and a better speedtank while we're at it? I always liked the idea of the venture being the "F-U" miner that just zips around vulturing anything it can get its grubby little hands on and works well for the solo miner without any support. NTM, a T2 venture with the right stats could make a pretty lulzy bait ship or tackler of opportunity.
Honestly though (this is a crazy idea) I wouldn't mind seeing all ice moved exclusively to lowsec, and taking away the concept of "ice systems" and just have it spawn and move/respawn like gas sites. This would give lowsec a very real meta value that would attract both null alliances and empire profiteers and breathe some life in to those systems.
That said, complaining that a fleet of 10 ships is more efficient at doing something than a single ship is just silly, no matter how many actual players are driving. |
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