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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:17:00 -
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First and foremost, I am not complaining that CCP's NeX idea is terrible. This thread is just about the prices.
Now, on to the discussion: It would appear that some of the NeX items are a tad more expensive then they ought to be. I was in Jita the other day and found that on of the Men's Sterling Dress Shirts/coats (forgot which particular one) was selling for 500 mill ISK, another one for 900mill, and an Ishukone one for over 1200mill ISK. If you go into the USD part of that, just getting a nice looking coat for your character is going to run you $60 USD unless your a billionaire (not that getting money is difficult, it's just very time consuming). Seriously; who's gonna pay that much just to get a nice looking piece of cosmetics?
Alright, yes, I know what your thinking. "Well you don't have to get it if you don't want to. You go grind that money to buy it". Or you might be thinking: "Well, it's CCP's fault. Blame them". (Note: Considering the fact that the system has already been implemented there really is no point in removing it). Look here; all I'm trying to explain is that it would be very nice of the devs to lower the prices on their more expensive merchandise. Everything else seems fine.
Your opinion? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9520
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:21:00 -
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Welcome to 2011, the summer of rage.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:33:00 -
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It is odd that clothes cost more than giant futuristic spaceships. You'd think clothes would cost less than ammo even. But that wouldn't make for a successful MT store. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
570
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:34:00 -
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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn wrote: Your opinion?
-1/10
You're 2 years late.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:35:00 -
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Some clothing is 4m or so.
Some is extremely high.
Some items are FW LP items |
Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:43:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Some clothing is 4m or so.
Some is extremely high.
Some items are FW LP items
.....Seriously? That makes things easier. Would be better if people had a list so they could do missions for the faction that gives out the clothing they want. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:44:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Some clothing is 4m or so.
Some is extremely high.
Some items are FW LP items
How much do you pay for a pair of glasses?
How much do you pay for a yacht?
How much does an aircraft carrier cost?
How much would a giant space carrier cost?
Yeah - a pair of monocles costing more than a space carrier sounds perfectly legit...
4 m for a shirt - you get a cruiser for that - makes sense... You know... morons. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
304
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:50:00 -
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http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LPSearch/sterling/
They cost 100m isk + 100k LP
And, judging by the movement of some clothing, and the sets people buy, the outfits are quite popular :p |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
450
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:50:00 -
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CCP has stated that they made more income off of the ridiculously priced monocles than any other item in the store.
CCP's train of thought is simple. Cosmetic bling is 100% status symbol, and status symbols are given credence with correspondingly high prices.
I think it's good that microtransactions don't expand beyond this niche of "gold plated expensive bling". |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1275
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:53:00 -
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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn wrote:First and foremost, I am not complaining that CCP's NeX idea is terrible. This thread is just about the prices.
Now, on to the discussion: It would appear that some of the NeX items are a tad more expensive then they ought to be. Everything else seems fine.
Your opinion?
6d old toon.
Sean Decker alt detected.
Really, Sean....really? Come on man. Really, you're getting paid some serious cash and you don't have a clue.....please, give me a well paying job and I'll turn the NeX around for you.
HTFU!...for the children! |
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Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:55:00 -
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It isn't just a coat. It is a lifetime subscription to coats. Every station in the galaxy has a copy of your coat in your size waiting just in case you ever turn up there. A lifetime subscription is expensive when you are immortal.
Imortal clothes for immortal men. It ain't cheap.
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KracKstar
Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities
105
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:56:00 -
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this again? maybe this time since you brought it up it will go farther |
Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.05 00:58:00 -
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Also, what about those items like tattoos and the cool laser monocle? Their listed in the game but can't find them for sale anywhere. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9535
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:01:00 -
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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn wrote:Also, what about those items like tattoos and the cool laser monocle? Their listed in the game but can't find them for sale anywhere. They're not available yet, the assets are in the current client, and many more have been in the SiSi client for a while. I think CCP is looking at actualising some of the assets as part of a promotion going by a recent thread regarding the sleeve tattoos
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:02:00 -
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$1000 pants, so you can feel elite, along with all the other upper-middle-class wanna bes wearing the $1000 pants. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:16:00 -
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Basically comes down to the expensive items were the original ones and remained expensive because people had already obtained some from NeX. |
Litair
Donchian Stripes
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:28:00 -
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Luxury items/status symbols just wouldn't be the same if every random peasant could afford to buy them, even though it doesn't cost more than a bowl of rice to have an indian child produce it.
Of course that's just how it works in the real world, but the same principle of exclusivity works in regards to the NeX store too :) |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
83
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Posted - 2013.07.05 02:58:00 -
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Anela Cistine wrote:It isn't just a coat. It is a lifetime subscription to coats. Every station in the galaxy has a copy of your coat in your size waiting just in case you ever turn up there. A lifetime subscription is expensive when you are immortal.
Imortal clothes for immortal men. It ain't cheap.
Except we're nude when we're in our pods, so there's no clothing being destroyed. So that excuse doesn't work either.
Basically CCP threw lore, world building, and rational thought out the window when they made the NeX store. It doesn't make sense in the game world. They should have at least kept it to things that would make sense commanding a high price, like a new paint job or a model-altering retrofit kit.
Better yet, they should allow such things to be made by people outside the company. Just as Valve does with their micro-transactions in TF2 and DOTA2. Skilled modelers from communities like Polycount make cool things for Valve's games, Valve approves the best of them and sells them for real money, and gives a cut of the profit to the creators. If such a relationship existed with CCP and EVE, the first things I'd attempt to create for the store are replacement skins for all camouflaged ships. I'd be rich. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3102
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:33:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Needless to say, it didn't go down well.
I love British understatedness. Lol |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:52:00 -
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mechtech wrote:CCP's train of thought is simple. Cosmetic bling is 100% status symbol, and status symbols are given credence with correspondingly high prices.
The Noble Exchange was intended as a luxury goods store. The purpose of the store was to sell prestige, not cheap bling. For this, the Noble Exchange has been amazingly successful, witness the monocle wearer's club threads on this forum and the tears everywhere else.
Yes, the $1000 jeans comment didn't go down too well, because CCP Zulu was trying to explain the thinking behind the store rather than dress the gaping wounds of, "WAAAAAH! I can't afford the thing I want therefore CCP sucks! WAAAAAH!" As any parent knows, you cannot use logic or reason when talking to a two year old throwing a tantrum. I am guessing CCP Zulu either misidentified his audience, or has simply never had to deal with a temper tantrum. The appropriate response is, "time out! Go to your room and come back when you are prepared to listen!"
There are many players who want cheap frills (aka "bling"). There is a market there, which CCP is yet to address.
And of course there are a bunch of us looking forward to having shared social spaces where we can emote at each other while showing off our barbie dolls. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15379
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:20:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:The Noble Exchange was intended as a luxury goods store. The purpose of the store was to sell prestige, not cheap bling. Too bad it never achieved this purpose. In fact, that's not bad at all GÇö it means they can safely excise this unfinished bit of pre-alpha code and insert the actual content through regular and sane means instead without breaking anything. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:10:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
The Noble Exchange was intended as a luxury goods store. The purpose of the store was to sell prestige, not cheap bling. For this, the Noble Exchange has been amazingly successful, witness the monocle wearer's club threads on this forum and the tears everywhere else.
Except for the most part, those "luxury goods" where quite bland and the standard clothes actually looked better. With the monocle the nocticable (only?) exception. Which then leaves the question why CCP didn-¦t yet implement that new laser eyewear.
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
569
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:34:00 -
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Haute couture is expensive, call the waaaaaambulance!
The way I see it the game converts time into ISK and Gé¼ into AUR. That's two seperate exchange rates. I like this choice. I never put more Gé¼ into the game then my sub plan, but I'm definately OK with blowing tons of ISK (time) on vanity stuff. Granted, much of the Nex stuff is pretty overpriced, but that also keeps these vanity items from becoming extremely common. What the Nex Store needs is more quality goods and SOME cheap bling for the ladies. I wouldn't be opposed to cheap alternatives to the 'free' earrings and piercings for example. The sleeve tattoos also look promising. |
Hogarth Starbanger
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:51:00 -
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Anela Cistine wrote:It isn't just a coat. It is a lifetime subscription to coats. Every station in the galaxy has a copy of your coat in your size waiting just in case you ever turn up there. A lifetime subscription is expensive when you are immortal.
Imortal clothes for immortal men. It ain't cheap.
Thats...somewhat logical. CCP make that official.
Edit: And to those who say your naked in pod; bollocks! My pod be pimpin. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1197
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:33:00 -
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You now the really messed up thing about the nex prices.....
10,000 isk is meant to be a TONNE of money to a planet dweller and they manage to clothe themselves and such.
So how come in a space station some, just nicer clothes are multi million isk!?!?!
Spacetax? Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9586
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:41:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:You now the really messed up thing about the nex prices.....
10,000 isk is meant to be a TONNE of money to a planet dweller and they manage to clothe themselves and such.
So how come in a space station some, just nicer clothes are multi million isk!?!?!
Spacetax? Price gouging, nothing new there, it's been happening in the EU and Australia for years. The standard currency conversion seems to be take whatever it costs to buy in the US, add an arbitrary number and then multiply by at least 2.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
165
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:47:00 -
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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn wrote:Also, what about those items like tattoos and the cool laser monocle? Their listed in the game but can't find them for sale anywhere.
Lol, Laser monoccle. I'd actually buy that just so I can say "we are borg" There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:08:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Anela Cistine wrote:It isn't just a coat. It is a lifetime subscription to coats. Every station in the galaxy has a copy of your coat in your size waiting just in case you ever turn up there. A lifetime subscription is expensive when you are immortal.
Immortal clothes for immortal men. It ain't cheap.
Except we're nude when we're in our pods, so there's no clothing being destroyed. So that excuse doesn't work either.
Yes, we are nude in the pods. So where are the pants?
In a luggage compartment in the pod? If so they are lost if we lose the pod. In a luggage compartment elsewhere in the ship? If so they are lost if we lose the ship. In our captain's closet in the last station we undocked from? Then we won't have them if we dock anywhere else.
In order for pants to be on hand whenever we dock, or clone jump, or die and have a new medical clone activated it MUST be a galaxy-wide subscription to pants. Not just empire space either. The pants distributors have to hit all the lowsec and nulsec stations, even the pirate stations. That would cost a fortune.
The only other alternative is even more absurd: Quantum Locked Indestructible Pants. Your pants absolutely can not be destroyed by any means. Even if you get out of your pod and hang around in in a rusty minmatar station for the next 20 years, your pants will be in mint condition. Not only are your pants indestructible, through some sort of poorly understood Jovian ~quantum~ technology they are always with you. Jump clone to the other side of the sector and somehow your pants detect that your consciousness has left your previous clone, the pants zero in on your current location, and appear next to you before you open your eyes. This incredibly useful technology is only used for pants.
Personally, I would have prefered much cheaper destructible pants that existed as physical objects and occupied cargo space. When you undock you either leave your pants behind in the station, or carry them in your cargohold and risk losing them. If you undock without your pants or you clone jump your pants are left behind in that station, and you do not have them when you arrive at a different station. The pants would cost much less, but eventually every player might own dozens, even hundreds, of pairs of pants so they can look cool wherever they go. |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:09:00 -
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That's a lot of words about pants. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
683
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:15:00 -
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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn wrote:First and foremost, I am not complaining that CCP's NeX idea is terrible. This thread is just about the prices.
Now, on to the discussion: It would appear that some of the NeX items are a tad more expensive then they ought to be. I was in Jita the other day and found that on of the Men's Sterling Dress Shirts/coats (forgot which particular one) was selling for 500 mill ISK, another one for 900mill, and an Ishukone one for over 1200mill ISK. If you go into the USD part of that, just getting a nice looking coat for your character is going to run you $60 USD unless your a billionaire (not that getting money is difficult, it's just very time consuming). Seriously; who's gonna pay that much just to get a nice looking piece of cosmetics?
Alright, yes, I know what your thinking. "Well you don't have to get it if you don't want to. You go grind that money to buy it". Or you might be thinking: "Well, it's CCP's fault. Blame them". (Note: Considering the fact that the system has already been implemented there really is no point in removing it). Look here; all I'm trying to explain is that it would be very nice of the devs to lower the prices on their more expensive merchandise. Everything else seems fine.
Your opinion?
How do you determine the value of worthless fluff that adds nothing to the gameplay experience?
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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