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Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:52:00 -
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Yes a lot of players want walking in stations as was originally proposed. Not the single room that we got. There is a difference.
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:40:00 -
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I really wish CCP would just do devblog on whether or not Incarna is dead so we can all move on with out lives (or to other MMOs) I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:20:00 -
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Here is my simple fix.
CCP clarifies whether or not Incarna is dead.
There is far too much wild speculation that really isn't helping. Some players want walking in stations, others don't. Some players want more PVE, others don't. It doesn't have to be a case of either / or. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.10.25 02:58:00 -
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WTB. Response from CCP?
I find it interesting how whilst Devs have been active in other threads, they have not participated in these many Incarna threads. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:20:00 -
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The confusion stems from Hilmars recently interview in which he said that 'we may get back to incarna'. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:39:00 -
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CCP. For **** sake, release a dev blog clarifying the future of Incarna. Players are confused about the uncertainty that Hilmars comments have created.
First he says that it's an integral part of EVE's future. Then he says 'we may get back to it'. Can we just have a straight ******* answer? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:23:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Quote:Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. Especially the latter part of that sentence is distressing (emphasis mine). In other words: we're only releasing a bit of more Incarna because we had it finished already, and not because we plan to actually work on it some more. On the upside, I just realize, he is saying that he's releasing the new quarters this year. Of course, the man's made promises before, LOL; but let's hope he keeps this one. And if it's true, then, who knows, maybe we'll get the entire Winter expansion this year (as that's the logical inference of the above).
Personally I think it sounds like they are trying to distance themselves from Incarna by implying that minimal work is being done on it. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:51:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote: The "might" qualifier should be pointed out here. That way if they dont come back to it, they can say they never said they WOULD
Which is exactly why players are pissed. We have no idea if Incarna will ever be finished because of his language.
Personally I think they should just come clean and say something like.
Winter 2011 expansion: Space stuff and remaining captains quarters Summer 2012 Expansion: Null sec revamp and Dust Winter 2012 Expansion: Multiplayer establishments plus cool space stuff and t3 frigates
At least this way we know it's coming, and have broad understanding of when. Instead of this endless "wait and see" nonsense.
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Posted - 2011.10.26 05:14:00 -
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My final solution.
CCP releases Dev blog on the fate or death of Incarna.
People return to their lives. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:03:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote: You mean a poor version of skype ( a free application that many already use) that is executed via the eve client?
Why does it seem that certain players have nothing better to do but reflexively reject anything that is Incarna related? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:17:00 -
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Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. Perhaps we should ask the CSM to represent our views to CCP.
At the very least it would be nice for CCP to clarify what their plans for Incarna are given the uncertainty created by Hilmar's interview. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:38:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Flamespar wrote:Given the huge response that this thread has gathered. You mean the handful of people who want to play dress up and all their alts?
This is the best argument that the WiS haters can come up with?
Wow. And they say WoW players are dumb. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.11.06 06:44:00 -
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Do you reckon there is any value is CCP asking the player base what they would like to see in Incarna?
Dunno if this has already been done. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.11.06 08:26:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Because a possible future is one of many outcomes for the future? Hint: WiS is not one of them.
When you say it, I would like to know what you refer to? As for myself, I heard about this mysterious sci-fi MMO from Iceland around 2001-2002 in PC Gamer that seemed to have more in common with David Braben's Elite than the undisputed king of sci-fi MMO at the time, Anarchy Online and I liked what I read so much that I started playing EVE May 2003. For me it is about space.
Nothing else.
Fair enough. Contract me your stuff and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Wow. You actually think EVE is all about satisfying you.
Can I recommend that you go play second life instead? That was you can indulge your fantasy by creating a world that caters only to your particular interests.
They have flying *****' generators that you can use to indulge your FiS fantasies. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.11.08 00:21:00 -
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I really wish CCP would comment on this thread already. A large proportion of players clearly want WiS (but not at the expense of FiS obviously).
CCP. How dead is WiS? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.11.20 23:45:00 -
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I would like to see PVP in Incarna.
Personally rather than just run and gun type pvp, I would like to see something different. Like poison slipped into your drink, or a stranger brushing up against you and injecting you with an almost invisible nano needle.
Incarna should not be risk free. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:09:00 -
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Traelox wrote:posting here with my 2009 main main (?) to emphasize that WiS has never made any sense to me. I fly around the Lowsec and Highsec and NPC 0.0 universe and visit system after system seeing only ~20% of the pilots in system FiS to begin with. FiS is what built this game, WiS is the biggest example of CCP having an interesting idea, but failing to realize this isn't the game to implement it on. Why give people one more excuse to stay docked up playing in a station when this is a FiS game that brought us here to begin with? (if you say WiS brought you here, you must admit you were gambling on a change to a game that is and always will be based on FiS.... so sucks to be you, sorry).
Let's be PERFECTLY honest. EVE does not have the subscriber base to afford having 10%, 20%, 30% more players stay docked up playing some SIM game. We need more people FiS INTERACTING in space with the other people in this SPACESHIP game.
^^ not yelling, emphasizing.
With several thousand systems already to spread out in, 40K-50K accounts logged in MAX at the busiest times I've seen, and only 20K-25K online in late US TZ when I'm online, my perspective is that there just aren't enough individual users to open up an entire new separate interaction realm within this game and still provide an interactive massive multiplayer experience for FiS.
25,000 pilots logged in - 1,000 Jita trade alts and gankers = 24,000 / 7500 systems = 3.2 pilots/system. <- not very massive.
If you're banking on WiS to up the subscriber count so that the concerns I note above are resolved through more people (keeping the count of FiS players where it is today, or even growing), I believe you're reaching too far to assume that EVE will pull players from other 1st person SIMs where you already get a fancy looking character and customizable clothes with a well established world to play in.
Lastly, i support the dedication of finite corporate resources available to FiS instead of spreading the work across the 2 vaslty different gamestyles. Whether the Crucible model of bug fixes and gameplay hardening will continue, or be augmented with whole new FiS content produced for the next release - the change in focus over the past 1-2 months meets my expectations of a company building a FiS game. Thanks for a fun 2 years of EVE for me, I look forward to the creative things CCP can bring us in the future.
In summary: **** WiS. Those Devs and Graphics guys/gals can do sweet things for FiS --- keep them there.
/brutal honesty
Quoted for poorly thought out arguments and make believe maths.
Some players want EVE, others do not. Same as Faction warfare. Same as PVP. Same as any particular thing you can do in EVE. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.04 07:20:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I want walking in stations so bad : (
I think it is still coming. I just wish CCP would update us on their plans for it. I mean is it going to be another 2 years? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.05 00:54:00 -
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Zevina wrote:WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :)
I agree.
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:48:00 -
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Hi everyone
I've started a thread in features and ideas so we can direct peoples passion for seeing Incarna realise it's potential as a fun and compelling addition to EVE.
Please check it out and add any ideas of your own https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42247&find=unread I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:04:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Zevina wrote:WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.
WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :) who liked this? step out seriously i want to know this is what is wrong with you people
Yes how dare someone talk about Incarna in something other than a reactionary whiney manner. Naughty poster. Don't you know that EVE is all about toeing the party line and never saying anything positve about the game.
Why can't you be more like Taiwanistan and stumble out a poorly thought through and essentially inane arguement that is nothing more than parroting of the standard 'OMG its not flying in space therefore I hates it' drivel.
Good on you Zevina for saying what you like about EVE and about what you are looking forward to. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:47:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:i am inane and i am against ccp dedicating resources on worthless crap i hate space barbie dress up i hate enhanced chat room with /emotes which is what the whole incarna wis amounts to what part of that do you have trouble understanding?
Your first three words sum you up nicely.
Thankyou for providing clarity. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:04:00 -
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[quote=Taiwanistan and what i will be missing out if i am not /emoting with my avatar [/quote]
If you don't like a particular feature or activity in EVE, don't do it, there are plenty of others things to do Just don't expect that you should be able to come on the forums and demand that CCP focusses on only those features that you like.
In a sense, the pro-Incarna players have the same demands as those players that enjoy null-sec, or PVP, or industry, or PI; which is that CCP doesn't neglect their preferred play style or release half completed features.
EVE has thousands of players, thankfully not all of them are you. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:04:00 -
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If only CCP would deign to give us some clarity on the future of Incarna.
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:48:00 -
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Can you imagine what EVE would be like if all the whiners that dismiss Incarna as 'visual fluff', had their way?
We wouldn't have the trinity graphics engine, revamped planets, V3 textures, new warp effects, ship trails, new turrets, new shadows, new character creater, updated ship models, new weapon effects, revamped asteroid models.
Just to name a few.
All of these things enhance gameplay, even though they could be classified as 'visual fluff'. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:59:00 -
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Dearest CCP, please grant us some info on the future of Incarna. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.08 04:39:00 -
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I've started a thread in the Assembly hall, asking that the CSM ask CCP to clarify the future of Incarna given Hilmar's conflicting comments.
I'm very specific that we're just wanting clarification on the future of Incarna over the next 12 months, not that it take precendence over any particular feature.
Please check it out and give support. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:06:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote: I just don't want incarna to be added to list of content that feels half finished in this game and I can't see how I can be expected to support the game when they are this quick to go back on their promises and waste my money developing unthoughtout content.
Heart of the matter. CCP has a long way to go on restoring confidence.
Personally I think remaining silent on the future of WiS does not help, or ignoring this thread, which has been going on for well over a month.
Lately I've been thinking that the reason that CCP is silent regarding WiS is because they are trying to distance themselves from the ****-up which was Incarna.
Will players leave until WiS is actually implemented? I'm definitely going to take a break because of it. IGÇÖm just tired of CCP promising the world and then delivering nothing.
Lots of players play this game as they like where the game was heading, and wanted to be part of that journey. But now, itGÇÖs lost some of its magic.
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:59:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:"not a peep", as in not a single post by a dev? Is that why there's a big fat blue dev arrow pointing towards this thread?
Wow. Well spotted.
Now if only you had the intelligience to see what was written.
No clarification has been offerred from CCP.
The only official communications that allude to the future of WiS are Hilmars contradictory remarks "Incarna is an essential part of EVE/ Incarna is on ice, we may get back to it". I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.11 05:17:00 -
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Grukni wrote: A hint: In the fanfest video you can see a Nvidia representative saying that within 5 years it will be possible to render 100 concurrent avatars (quoting the Moore's law). I don't think they can now render more than 5 avatars at the same time on a modern machine with the Carbon engine and its detail.
Hopefully they will reveal the multiplayer environments at fanfest. (With multiple players in them, not just the environment itself"
CCP, care to comment?
You know instead of adding a new feature with the next big expansion, it would great to see existing features brought closer to the original vision that was promoted with each feature.
Like Planetary Interaction 2.0 (remember that dust will only involve null sec planets) The multi-player establishments. Null Sec revamp. The mining and exploration changes that have been talk about forever. Faction war\fare 2.0
I know the above is just the product of my currently fevered imagination. But how awesome would it be?
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:19:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:About CSM... **** it... It don't represents me. So, you didn't vote?
Just because you vote doesn't mean you are going to be represented.
The only problem with the CSM is that they get carried away making statements for the 'whole playerbase' when they can only claim to represent their constituents. There's nothing wrong with what they are asking for, only when it's members act like their concerns should be prioritised above everything else.
In any case. Some CSM members do want to see Incarna reach it's potential. They just don't want it to do so at the expense of other parts of EVE.
There are lots of areas of EVE that need work. Just need to prioritise appropriately.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:06:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:I don't want to walk on stations.
There are enough MMOs where you can run around with your Avatar. If I want to do it, I play one of these.
Eve is "flying in space with cool ships" and not "walk around with ugly Avatars".
Then don't.
EVE at it's best is about choices. And giving players lots of ways to interact with the EVE universe. People who want walking in stations are wanting to deepen their experience of the game world and see it from another angle.
EVE at it's worst is about a small group of players (including CCP and CSM) thinking they can dictate peoples experience.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:03:00 -
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Agallis Zinthros wrote:I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.
I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.
Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP.
Perhaps this is the best way forward for Incarna. Each release having a focus on FiS with smaller addition for WiS - much as Crucible did.
Although personally I don't want to be drip fed content for WiS over the next few years. Personally I would rather an expansion that largely delivers the complete feature in one hit.
As long as we get something I spose. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:10:00 -
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Tomytronic wrote:You're all madmen. Why not just get on TS or mumble or - gasp - EVE Voice and talk to your corpmates. If you're so desperate to see their mute faces stare at you while a disembodied voice laughs at whatever lolcat link you've just sent them in corp chat, just open their avatar from the character panel and stare at it intently until the straining in your eyes causes pinpricks of light to erupt across your vision, smearing the view and making the blank collection of pixels look like it's anything other than a waste of developer time.
Seriously. The image you have in your head of Walking in Stations is nothing like any reality that could ever be achieved by a company like CCP. Why not communicate with the people directly through some sort of telephonic medium instead of watching their expressionless pixel blob faces clumsily clip through glasses of Quafe while sitting stock still in a glitchy and aliased table in the middle of a deserted and lifeless room.
You'll never, ever get what you imagine. Let it go.
Either go look at previous fanfest videos on what Incarna was meant to involve (and see that Incarna does not deliver on that vision), or quit your idiotic rhetoric and GTFO.
I also find it funny how people like you bag out the graphics of Incarna when FiS largely involves watching little red crosses of various sizes vanish. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:56:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:
highly likely after 3 years the doors open and you are disappoint
What is it with Goons and poorly articulated counter arguements?
At least this is a refreshing change from the usual 'OMG ITS NOT FiS THEREFORES I HATES IT'.
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:09:00 -
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It's interesting given the huge response this thread has attracted, and the obvious support that Incarna does have from many players, that neither the CSM or CCP have graced us with a serious, well thought out, response. Nor to my knowledge was WiS seriously discussed at the Summit.
Both CCP and CSM say that we can have a voice through the CSM, and that CCP wants to hear our feedback. So why can't either group be bothered developing an well thought out response (that doesn't devolve into the usual rhetoric that has characterised some of CSM).
It's been raised in the assembly hall, it's being on the front page of general discussion for months, CSM members have been emailed. What else is there to do? Email Hilmar himself?
This represents what is broken with CSM, that unless your interests match their own, then you won't get your view seriously represented. Which is stupid as despite the fact that each CSM is voted in by a particular group of players, they are still tasked with the role of representing all players to the best of their abilities. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:01:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
thats what we all want
now for a ccp response if they can make that happen
I remember that earlier on in this thread that a Dev mentioned that CCP was interested in our suggestions on what gameplay should happen in Incarna. Aside from the features and ideas section of the forum (and who knows what does and doesn't get read in there), I'm wondering how we can make the process more participatory for both sides.
Maybe do some crowd sourcing for gameplay features? Or a survey as part of the next EVE newsletter to all players asking them to rate various potential gameplay items for WiS?
At least this way, CCP can demonstrate player support for the features they include in stations. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:02:00 -
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Illion wrote:CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev).
I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then.
I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:16:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Flamespar wrote:Illion wrote:CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time.
They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff.
You know that they *want* to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'.
Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out.
They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined.
Ill.
Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev). I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then. I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. You are not going to get that kind of commitment here because CCP does not even know if they will need to layoff more people or not to stay in business. If you want WIS to become a reality, you need to start buying a lot a PLEX, get a lot of old players to come back (CCP is working hard on this) or get new players to join for the content and features we have now. EVE revenue alone has been funding development of 3 separate games for the last 3 years, which became unsustainable when they lost 25% of their concurrent online player numbers after the ham-fisted NEX/Incarna release. Adding to that, there was something like a $10Mil bank loan that came due in October they either refinanced or had to pony-up. They are literally fighting for their jobs, and if you are very lucky CCP might have enough confidence and insight into their present situation to commit to something at fanfest. But don't count on it, CCP makes a lot of promises and hints at a lot of things at fanfest that don't become reality.
Work for CCP? No. Then quit the endless speculation. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:34:00 -
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Diana Dour wrote: What failed was Hilmar and Soundwave's version of WiS. Which was NeX and...modeling? Player interaction, somehow was last on the list, establishments crossed off the list. Literally replaced by CCP brand skirts printed at the MT shop and a prison cell. They hired fashion designers for god ******* sakes... they abandoned a working engine and started a new untested one for some silly ass fad vampire game. It took them a decade to develop the "Loot All" function, they shouldn't be working on new games or selling skirts.
That's what lost them a chunk of their subscribers, not EVE WiS, or the idea of it.
I don't know why players are saying the WoD is the reason the Incarna was developed. WiS/Ambulation/Incarna has been a concept that has been talked about, for far longer than WoD.
Also I don't know how 'working' that earlier engine was, since all we saw was still a single player environment (with graphics that were inferior to Incarna if you ask me).
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:37:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Again, CCP Please at least address the issue in this thread. Clarify the future of ambulation in Eve!
Issler
Agreed.
You know, even if CCP clarify the future of Incarna by saying 'nothing new for WiS for 12 months, but will be doing this instead" at least players can then decide whether or not to keep waiting, or find something else to do.
This endless game of "wait and see" that has typified CCPs approach to WiS (and other features) is just ridiculous.
Just give us something to look forward to in regards to WiS. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.
It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game?
It's funny how most of the arguments from WiS haters amounts to nothing more than 'OMG IT"S NOT SPACESHIPS THEREFORES I HATEZ IT'.
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robbyx wrote: .....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "
Again, see how the barely incoherent arguments against WiS amount only to rhetoric, finger pointing, and breath holding.
Nobody is wanting Incarna to be about playing dress ups.
Incarna was the latest in a long series of mistakes that caused subscribers to drop and the resulting job loss. Attributing the drop in subscribers as being sorely due to Incarna - whilst making for great (albeit simplistic) rhetoric - is lazy analysis.
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I don't know why people bother replying to the small group of people who claim to 'speak for the eve community' and then launch into a ******** attacked on WiS.
It's the same people and the same ******** arguements against WiS again and again. OMG it's not spaceships therefor it fails. OMG I don't want to play dress-ups (though when customisable ship skins arrive I'm sure you'll have no problem dressing up your space sparkle pony). OMG if they work on WiS then no-one will be working on FiS (because it's just not possible to have different teams working on different features, is it? That's just impossible).
Want this thread to end? Get CCP to clarify the future of Incarna. They need to clear up the uncertainty that Hilmars conflicting remarks have created. Give us a yes or no regarding if we are getting new Incarna content in the next 12 months. Then people can move on, and oh I don't know, actually play the game.
The only valid arguement that the anti-WiS crowd have is that, is that CCP should not neglect FiS. No-one who wants to see the rest of Incarna is asking that it should. Only that it gets some dev time same as any other feature in EVE. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Doc Fury wrote:
Keep stamping your feet and shouting about WIS, CCP is presently interested in revenue and not what might happen with WIS. They are invested in releasing DUST 514. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can move on and wait for WIS to get an iteration just like all the pro-FIS people have been doing for over 2 years.
It's not so much if WIS will get some love, but when.
Wow. It's almost like you didn't read all of my post (which is in broad agreement with what you say).
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:[quote=Mukuro Gravedigger]I've been casually following this thread and Robbyx's comments parallel my thoughts.
As an ex-miner, I have read threads asking CCP to boost the mining barges from being a bit more than paper tanks. Those threads boil down to "HTFU, Return to WOW, umadbro?" and other childish comments. Yet the underlying theme of PVP remains intact for these situations. CCP has not cornered off a section of space, much less made ships invunerable and destroyed what originally made Eve the game it is today. Players accept this to various degrees.
I place a buy order onto an empty market and within a hour, someone placed a 0.1 ISK higher order. Again, the underlying theme of PVP is present, though nothing is destroyed. While I can continue mentioning various aspects of PVP, it seems that many people that desire WIS want it as a non-PVP setting. "I want to sit at a bar, have a drink, play poker, talk to friends." Would a majority of players be more receptive, and possibly push CCP in the direction to work further into WIS if avatars had the possibility of being engaged in PVP actions?
Again, being the lowly miner, I get ganked by some hot shot pilot that docks in a nearby station afterwards to laugh it off with his buddies. As I quietly approach this individual (using a new set of skills not ship related, but more combat avatar related that CCP created and released onto the market), I use my trusty projectile pistol and place a well-placed shot between the ganker's eyes to make a sharpshooter whistle in amazement. As this individual has his brain matter splatter the back wall as his clone elsewhere is suddenly activated, being a lower security station, I have a bit of time to steal his new clothes he just bought with Aurum. And for a trophy prize, I pluck out his monocle to wear as a necklace...
Personally, I rather see a "Blade Runner" type atmosphere in WIS instead of a simples Sims game with bubbles above our heads.
Sounds ike fun to me.
I remember Devs saying that stations won't be entirely 'risk free', and also remember a mention that one of the benefits of sharing resources with World of Darkness, was that Incarna could benefit from the development of WoDs combat systems, though obviously it would be modified for the EVE setting.
So maybe, one day.
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Industrializer Tekitsu wrote: War sounds interesting enough. The next one should be about WiS.
Hopefully the 'War' expansion will include the Corporation office with a big 3D interactive map upon which players can hatch their evil schemes.
You know what, rather than the multiplayer establishments, perhaps the corp offices should be the first multiplayer environments implemented. It would give CCP the opportunity to introduce a number of things to make corporation management (and war) easier, and more cool. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Disdaine wrote:
Birds of a feather....
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There are so many good ideas on how Incarna can be utilised (war room ftw). I really wish CCP would stop ignoring us and actually engage with us, to make Incarna an amazing experience. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Issler Dainze wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote: I think it would add a level of depth and immersion. It would be a better backdrop than spreadsheets and only spreadsheets. In my opinion.
Oh i agree with you there. I want CCP to develop Incarna more but there needs to be some meaningful optional gameplay. In this thread, we've discussed the pros and cons, and possible gameplay additions for incarna for 2 months now and nobody is saying anything that hasn't already been discussed anymore. The ball is in CCP's court now and we will just have to wait and see if they're kind enough to shed some light on their plans. It would be nice if CCP did a devblog similar to the one they did on the POCO's, where the players left feedback and helped CCP design part of the game. CCP, are you listening, Rek layed it out for you. You have the ball CCP, now do something with it!
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Doc Fury wrote:Flamespar wrote:There are so many good ideas on how Incarna can be utilised (war room ftw). I really wish CCP would stop ignoring us and actually engage with us, to make Incarna an amazing experience. CCP gave you all an answer, you just don't like what you got. Fair enough, but to keep droning-on and on about it is just going to push any dialog you will get from them out even further. Maybe if you guys started posting in the relevant forum area CCP would take you more seriously and you could also avoid being trolled? All I see here are some ideas of what could be (good bad or otherwise), and some pie-in-the-sky expectations, mixed between a lot of crying and foot-stamping that CCP is ignoring you. Maybe if you used the tools at your disposal instead of crying like 10 year olds that you want your candy (answers) now, you'd get some results? If you are sick of waiting, you should do what other players did when they got sick of CCP mostly abandoning EVE core game features. But lets also be realistic here. How many players do you think you can rally, and what trade publications or media do you think will lend you any press? Tools. You mean email the CSM, raise the issue in the assembly hall, participate in this thread in general discussion, post suggestions in features and ideas.
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Gummy Plaude wrote: Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS. The great thing about EVE is the variety of activities it has to offer which includes but are not limited to the spaceships. You need to realize that there are peaceful peeps out there chilling with asteroids or docked during months playing the market. Or the politics. Even within the safety of highsec, there are corps been wardecced by higher military forces everyday preventing them from undocking or even tearing apart their projects. For all of them, WiS is just the EVE content they miss.
I agree. The main point, that has been made again and again, is that WiS is another way of experiencing EVE. No-one is asking that CCP focus all their resouces on WiS instead of FiS. Just that it get some Developer time, and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are.
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Disdaine wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You are 100% wrong.
We pay a monthly fee and the only thing CCP owes us is access to the game for the amount of time we pay for. For our subscription fee we aren't owed any future development and anybody who expects it is dumb.
The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game. Fortunately there were enough people that did this that it finally made CCP wake up and change direction. So first you say that we are not to expect any future development at all. Then you say the riots were about CCP developing WiS. And here you are complaining about development allocation. Precious.
Lol. Good call.
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Doc Fury wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely. If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune. How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and finish the features thay only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund Incarna/WOD and DUST?
It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Doc Fury wrote: They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.
What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks.
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What he probably should have said, is that WiS has been a 'promised' feature for years (and years).
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Aalam Naar wrote:Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.
I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.
The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.
OP is liked.
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It's interesting how that survey doesn't actually have a section talking about the additions to Incarna. So except for the comments section, there is nowhere else to express your desire (or non-desire) for future updates to Incarna. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:[ Huh... no. DUST uses Unreal Engine 3.0. This is why it's been developed by a small bunch of Chinese developers in Shanghai, as it doesn't requires the kind of cutting edge development inherent to EVE.
I wonder if some of the art assets being developed for Dust (well at least those used in building interiors), might end up being resused in some modified form in Incarna. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that That's because your an idiot. Don't like it? Tough. Can I haz your stuff? lol go google up some more tired memes you worthless pedo runt Right back at ya. christ are you still trying? biomass yo, get another forum alt, we all know youse a pedo
Again, another personal attack, this time calling another player a pedophile.
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CCP Guard wrote: There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).
The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.
So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.
Finally, something.
So it turns out getting an answer from CCP is as simple as making a 120 page threadnaught on a topic Hooray for the 'new' CCP.
It's also important to point out that appealing to the CSM to seek clarification on our behalf did not work. Why do we have the CSM again if not to represent player concerns? Oh that's right, it's about null sec interests. Hooray for the CSM.
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Xuko Nuki wrote:"CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS! "
Please clarify the future plans for WiS!
future plans for WiS!
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No future plans for WiS were clarified, "we don't have one" does not count as a plan. The thread must go on.
It's a good enough answer for me. I'm going to let my subscription lapse and go play another game until CCP actually delivers something that interests me.
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
If you mean the robot game I think you mean...I feel for you. That game sucks.
I find it fun, and it reminds me of how EVE used to be. You know, back when the game was still vast and full of potential, CCPs word actually meant something, and the 'Soon'(tm) meme was yet to be invented.
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Also, if you played for 3 years you should know how they deal with new features (see FW, PI...): big fuss, Fanfest shows with huge effects that leave to intend thay will change the gaming world, then they get delivered half done and let to rot.
Quoted as the sad truth.
This fanfest may be a make or break for a lot of people. If CCP get on the stage, and make all sorts of promises (again) and don't deliver (again), I don't think many people will put up with it.
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Razin wrote:CCP Phantom wrote: We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things.
I guess the same but less verbose answer provided on October 15, 2011, on page 12 of this thread shows that the latest answer will be forgotten in a few pages and the cybering mafia will continue to beotch and moan about being ignored by CCP.
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Razin wrote: Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.
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Here is what I consider CCP should be aiming to deliver in the next 12 months for Incarna - The mentioned decorative items - Customisable CQ - Item interactions and emotes - The ability to invite another player into your CQ
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Ai Shun wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:That is all we wanted to hear from the get go. I fail to see how this is really that much different to what CCP Guard said before. Or from what Hilmar said before! It's gone from " On ice for a bit" to " We don't have a concrete timeline" to " We may release something that is almost finished, but we don't have a concrete timeline". ****, but you people have problems if something that has been said before placates you like that. Just roll over and have his children already.
Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then.
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Ai Shun wrote:Flamespar wrote:Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then. I've been following the direct dev / CCP communications. They are of more interest than a 125 page circle-jerk of dissatisfied, semi-emo capsuleers.
And yet here you are. 'Jerking' it with the rest of us.
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Ai Shun wrote: Your trolling skills are about as poor as your reading skills. Still. I'll give you a -1/10 for effort, how's that?
Still needs work since you cannot divide a positive number by a negative number. 0/10 would have been sufficient. Or a 'F', or even a frowny face.
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CCP Guard's response is still pretty vague (not his fault). Something may happen with WiS, something may not. Who knows? Who cares?
I can't speak for others, but I'm over the uncertainty and evasiveness from CCP, which is why I'm going to go play Perpetuum for a while. I really can't be ****** trying to get a straight answer from CCP. Or ask the CSM for support (which was done too, and they didn't bother discussing our concerns at the summit).
Like others I got seduced by the lies CCP told about WiS, which kept me playing for years after I got bored, as I was looking forward to the vision they promised. Yeah I know, stupid me.
What would it take to bring me back? CCP commiting to include something in the next expansion to show that they haven't abandoned WiS. Even something minor will do. Allow players to invite others over to their CQ so we can at least see that multi player environments are actually even possible in EVE. I don't know. CCP you need to show some respect for those players who brought into your dream of a full featured sci fi sim and supported you over the years.
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:That's not the right attitude to have at this time. The last thing this game needs is to have another mass exodus of players. We need to continue showing our support for development of WiS game play content. This is best done with patience, staying subbed and continuing to voice our expectations and dreams for future WiS game play content while allowing CCP time to fully develop it without being rushed.
Lol. Usually I'm the one to overstate my importance.
I'm just one player, though if the rest of you want to follow me to the promised lands of Perpetuum, I'm ok with that. (checks NeX store for Jesus robes)
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Che Biko wrote: I'm really worried CCP is learning the wrong lessons, and should really communicate with the players about this. I suggest publishing a devblog and reading the comments, or possibly a survey if you are not sure about what people want to see in WiS.
Yes, I agree that it would be good if CCP were to make an official statement on the future of WiS in response to this thread. CCP Guard's comments are appreciated, but it would be great to get some official details in the form of a dev blog.
Another CCP developer (I can't remember who) said earlier on in this thread that they are interested in hearing what players might want to use WiS for, I agree that doing a formal process (a survey? crowd sourcing?) could also be a great step. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Doc Fury wrote: If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved.
It's been done. At length. And is part of the reason why players are so WTF when CCP says they don't know what to do with WiS. As far as we are concerned, there are heaps of ideas out there. The main problem with the features and ideas forum is that they are rather ad-hoc method, and any pro-Incarna posts tends to get attacked by trolls.
It might be useful gathering all of those ideas together though into a single list. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Is it worthwhile starting an Incarna version of the 'papercuts' thread? There are a number of small tweaks to the captains quarters itself that I think would be worthwhile (for example being able to disable the tutorial adverts on the screens, or have them disable themselves once you've done them, or once your character reaches a certain age). I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Also the 'war room' idea is epic. Whomever came up with that idea is surely a visionary and should quickly be offered employment at CCP. :P I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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CCP Bayeshian. Will you be looking at the ability to invite other players to your CQ? This at least would show that multi avatar environments are indeed possible, and give you the chance to start dealing with any issues have multiple avatars in a single location might raise.
It might be a good idea to promote this as a 'beta' feature. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Will there be anything WiS related to get excited over at Fanfest? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:So much negativity in this thread, on both sides of the fence.
I think the speculation on what CCP can and can't do is probably not helping. Like an earlier poster who speculated that they can't have two avatars in the same space, there is no reason why this can't happen, it's just a matter of priority and resources.
Personally I think enabling the ability to invite avatars into your CQ is a good initial goal, as long as it is expressed to be a 'beta' feature. They could even make it something that players have to opt into, the same as they were going to do for the old 'new' neocom previously. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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CCP Bayesian wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, that could be a first goal. The point is, they don't have that technology yet. As Mashie put it, the CQ currently is a client-side feature and the only functionality it haves is the in-world UI (holograms).
it's kinda puzzling to try to figure what they did expect to do with Incarna, actually, provided it is a single player client side environment and they don't even have the foundations to make it multiplayer. There is a lot more there on the technology side than is visible in the current Incarna feature set. There's also a lot more work to do though. To ease some of the more worried minds I can say that we have had multiple avatars walking around in the same environment together.
If you include a video of multiple avatars in the same environment in the upcoming devblog, I'm sure it will be well recieved (and shut up some trolls .. for a while). I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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It would be awesome if the next expansion for EVE had updates to both FiS and WiS. Given the fact that they have more developers working on EVE than they have in years, I think this may actually be possible. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:45:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:How about we make sure there are some CSM7 members that have ambulation as a priority! Voice of Reason PartyIssler
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Posted - 2012.01.30 02:15:00 -
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It's great that WiS will be the subject of a roundtable discussion on Fanfest. The only problem is that unfortunately that means players that aren't going to be at Fanfest will miss out on the opporunity to talk about it with the Devs.
Is it possible to organise a 'virtual' roundtable whereby players are able to discuss the future of Incarna? Perhaps you could incorporate a crowd sourcing exercise as part of it to help gauge interest in different proposed features. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: on a closing note, maybe it is you who needs to read up or Google the stats on players who have left because of what WiS did to EVE last year. WiS brought ZERO players into game, it drove them away, you yourself are here playing spaceships onlne, i mean come on,, are you really going to tell me you joined EVE for WiS ?
show me the stats of players who joined EVE for WiS Vs players who joined for FiS. all this from an alt,, post from your main and give backbone to your argument.
Lol. Dumb troll is dumb. Show me your stats and I'll show you mine.
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:25:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:I hope that there will be some good news about WiS on FanFest. Maybe they'll have come up with some actual gameplay by then! I mean they've been working on it for 5 years and never thought to include any in that time but you never know!
Not true, they had a playable demo a few years back which included an avatar walking around, going to a bar, and playing a game. I know it's not much, but it does show at least that ideas for gameplay do exist.
They have also said that they plan to make illegal items like boosters tradable in stations. Which I think sounds like great fun.
There are many, many ideas for gameplay already, they just need to implement them already.
Let's hope we get a great dev blog soon.
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Posted - 2012.02.06 04:47:00 -
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Another question for team Avatar.
Given that 60 devs are currently working on the World of Darkness MMO, can we expect any of the improvements that they make to the character rendering technology to make it's way into Incarna (presuming that they are doing this kind of work of course).
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:33:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:you can't ignore that fact that WiS was a part of the mess, i'm sorry, but my reading is fine, WiS( trapped in ya CQ ) and NEX ( dress ya dolly ) have a read >>> INCARNA
The problem with the original argument that you presented was that you were trying to attibute blame sorely to WiS, which is incorrect.
Also what people tend to forget is that the first iteration of Captains quarters was designed primarily to help new players get into EVE (hence the corp finder, agent finder, new tutorials and vids) I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:07:00 -
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Freylock wrote:I have no idea what these acronyms stand for.
Well to answer your question. FiS (which the rabid trolls demand CCP focus exclusively on) stands for 'fascism in space', where the views of a vocal minority dictate everyoneGÇÖs experience down a narrow view.
Whereas WiS, (which handsome, smart, forward thinking players like myself are asking for) stands for 'wonder in space' where players are given new ways of experiencing and participating in the EVE universe.
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.
You mean except for all of the pictures of Avatars and the pics and footage of players walking in the captains quarters and the new player vid that talks about creating your avatar and accessing the features of CQ.
Did you actually have your computer on when you went to the website?
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Zirse wrote: I think everyone can somewhat agree that ambulation in the future would be great for eve.
The issue is that right now it deserves 0 resources because the core of the game, the game that we all signed up for, is still in dire need of a myriad of overhauls. And yes, right ow FiS IS the core of the game so please spare me the 'simulator' **** until the EVE experience actually backs that up.
CCP can and should revisit ambulation in ~5 years when eve is on firm ground and the tech can actually support it.
Fortunately. CCP does not share your view - that we should wait 5 plus years for Incarna. Nor do many players. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:58:00 -
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Given that captains quarters was explicity an environment for new players (except for the NeX store) I would be interested in hearing if it has helped improve the retention of new players.
This should be included in the promised dev blog.
It would also be interesting to see any stats CCP has on the number of players that have left their CQ on. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:05:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: So let me bounce a theory off of you.
CCP can do more stuff to make Eve better if they have more money. Money mostly comes from folks that subscribe to play the game. Let's call those folks "subscribers". So given that set of facts, here is my theory!
If Eve has more subscribers... now follow me here.... CCP will have money.... OK, here comes the tricky bit... and CCP will use the money to keep making Eve better!! Wow! I mean, pretty radical of me to suggest!!!
Issler
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Posted - 2012.02.15 05:26:00 -
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Personally I hope CCP does not go down the instance route. I think they are terrible and immersion breaking.
They should set a (high) limit on the number of avatars that can be in any single environment at the same time. And then design WiS is a way that encourages players to spread out so that this limit is rarely reached. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:54:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends?
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:55:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Flamespar wrote:CCP karkur wrote:why can't we just all be friends? Well if you enable the option to invite other players to our CQs then we can be Open the door to the secret friends clubhouse!!! Next new ambulation feature!!! Issler
Joking aside. I really think CCP should implement this as a beta feature that players can opt in for. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:34:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:
According to "leaks" from inside CCP last summer, CCP lost 8% (conservatively) on subs. That is a *HELL* of a lot more people than have bumped/+1'd this thread - so I don't really think the people who *aren't* interested in ambulation are the minority...
People presume that players quit because of Incarna. When in reality it was due to an ongoing decrease in development in the game overall and the fact that Incarna did not meet expectations. and due to the threat of pay to win. Check out the many fanfest videos to see what Incarna was meant to be like in its first iteration. This is what we were expecting. Pro-WiS players were just as pissed off as you at what we actually got.
That is very different from players quiting because of WiS, which you suggest. Your analysis is lazy and incomplete.
As an aside, I actually know a couple players who quit saying that they might came back when (if?) Incarna is actually done. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Those videos were mainly set up to attract console players to DUST514. I believe the DUST514 scenes are a good representation of DUST514 game play content and visual graphics.
Really? What do you base that belief on?
The dust514 scenes were made using the the ingame engine and graphics. If you look, you will notice the difference in graphic fidelity between the planet-side and in-space parts of the video.
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:31:00 -
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I recently posted in response to the Dev Blog on improving the new player experience and how WiS could help https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=829297#post829297
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Posted - 2012.03.01 01:55:00 -
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I was disapointed by the Incarna dev blog. I was really hoping for a video of multiple avatars in the one environment to show that it is indeed possible I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.03.02 04:21:00 -
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I would be great if Team Avatar were to organise a virtual roundtable so that players who are passionate about WiS, but are unable to attend fanfest, are still able to contribute. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Taiwanistan wrote: do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:28:00 -
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I find the argument for evidence that players want WiS really stupid.
Firstly because it is obvious that there is support for WiS. Not only within this thread, but in the fanfest videos talking about WiS that shows the audience was in favour of it.
Secondly. Look at incursions. You could argue that before this feature was implemented that there was not support for it (in fact, the CSM was unconvinced that it would be a success), but look how popular it has become. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:21:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
Don't worry CCP Karkurjwow. It's just the same old trolling from the same small group of Goons.
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:03:00 -
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When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.
Incarna will be a link between the two games,
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:03:00 -
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Given that allowing dust players to socialise with EVE players on stations is something that CCP intends to implement (eventually).
I guess that for dust players, parts of WiS will be free to play. Though I dare say that due to limitations of the PS3 there will be areas and things that dust players might not be able to do. And they shouldn't be able to do it all anyway, because we are elite , and they are not. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Taiwanistan wrote:There is a concept, resources are finite, so when buying a blade you want the one with the sharpest edge, not the one with the most ornate hilt. I imagine there is some austerity measures going on in CCP, times are not great. The things you described Issler corp room and etc, are the nice ornamentation on the hilt, not the edge. Gameplay is the cutting edge that will retain and attract players. With many challenges looming in the horizon, i don't see how CCP can spare the resources on ornamentation.
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.
Not completely true. Players are attracted by the visual appearance of a game, and it does add to the overall experience, why do you think CCP upgraded to the trinity engine in the first place? From the perspective of a new player, the appearance of a game is a major aspect that they judge it by before they make the decision to buy.
If you really believe what you are saying, you should also be telling CCP to stop work on V3 shops, new effects, turrets, particle effects, and customisable ship skins.
EVE's cutting edge graphics are one of it's unique selling points. They need to remain on that edge to remain competitive.
The truth is, gameplay and appearance are tightly coupled. Each sweetens, the other if you like. For some people, admiring your ship in the hanger, or your avatar in the CQ, is gameplay. Meeting up in a corp room, for some, is gameplay. Making stuff blow up, for some, is gameplay.
You make the mistake of defining gameplay as those features that you personally enjoy.
Mining is the exception, which is like dying a slow death from boredom.
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I hope CCP follows through with the exploration and discovery angle for Avatar gameplay. I think it would be great fun. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:41:00 -
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Hi all
After watching the latest CCP video, I had some thoughts on how exploration gameplay in Incarna could work.
I started a thread here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87487&find=unread
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:27:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:[ Not sure if that is the plan but sadly the mittens apology thread may become bigger than this one! Gah! Issler
Nah.
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Hey CCP. Can we beta test your prototypes :P I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.04.07 06:33:00 -
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Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will.
Well it does depend on where you build your POS. Griefers can't 'simply' blow up your POS in high sec.
And in any case. So what?
I think it would be a awesome if other players could disable your shields, dock at your POS, and wait for you to come home and sit down on the couch with a can of quafe in your hands, and then blow your brains out just as you begin to nod off.
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Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
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Gevlin wrote:I am wondering how much of Dust 514 can be ported to WIS.
The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine. When PS4 comes out and Dust moves to that platform. we may actually see some porting back and forth from WIS, Dust and WOD
I remember reading somewhere that CCP creates high detailed models and then uses them to create the lesser detailed models that end up in the game. So the higher quality suff might actually be available.
Personally I think that dust514 is going to increase the demand for avatar related gameplay in EVE. Simply because dust players will come to EVE who are used to avatars. And also because EVE players will see how much fun dust players are having with their avatars.
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Given that there is pressure to remove local. CCP needs to ensure that players are still able to meet and socialise so they can form friendships and corporations.
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oh god spare us please don't escalate.
Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.
It's probably worth mentioning that there is nothing in the NeX store that you can't buy with ISK. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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