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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.12 06:05:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees. I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.
So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.
The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.
Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.
The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production. Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation. CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose. Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications. CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation. CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts. Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."
Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected? Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.
By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected? |
Ai Shun
349
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Posted - 2012.03.12 06:38:00 -
[3752] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:actually, i agree with you, a separate game would be the best final solution to the question of the deviant emoting barbie lovers, if unfortunately team avatar cannot come up with any sort of meaningful gameplay. but if they do that i'd rather they do the WOD stuff, as i understand White Wolf has quite a large table-top gaming market, they might as well go tap into it. i've also noticed you can literally print money with the vampire werewolf stuff.
Thank you for the clarification. I don't like the "deviant emoting barbie lovers" as a term, as I am very much in favour of WiS. (As a separate game, as I said)
There is cross-over (potentially) between WoD and a WiS EVE game in terms of underlying technology. Yes, there may be separate rulesets for character development, but the ambulation, interface and building blocks for the universe will likely be compatible / re-useable. (At least, I'd hope so)
I would hope they combine the best of the two to create a real WiS experience that will contribute to the EVE universe without taking away from the core of the EVE Online experience.
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Khonsu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:55:00 -
[3753] - Quote
Just checking if I understand this correctly.
CCP spent several years and tons of money and work hours on delivering a 10 square meter broom closet where you can use the same features as you already could through the station buttons. Plus the fantastic feature of having your avatar sit on a sofa watching commercials on TV.
And after all these millions and years spent, they're still in the phase where they're considering thinking about trying to come up with a plan for figuring out which WiS features would be nice to implement? And the token group of people who sometimes think about this while eating their lunch, have several other tasks with higher priority?
OK, this has probably been beaten to death, but I've been away for some time... But coming back to find they just added a balcony where I can stare at my ship, which remains interesting for around 0,4 seconds (didn't some dev stress that they require high replayability in the additions?), leaves me unimpressed.
So yes, I'm pretty much ranting about something everybody agrees is broken. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
215
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Posted - 2012.03.12 08:48:00 -
[3754] - Quote
[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai]
Well, they're going after an untapped source of customers: 63 million of PS3 owners [/quote
The problem is that the PS3 is already saturated with generic FPS and eve just adds to the list. Sure, Dust has the gimmick of being connected the EVE but I don't think your average PS3 owner will care.
The only saving grace is that Dust will be free so maybe the casual shooter fan will play it while all the seriouse FPS players will be playing games like call of duty and battlefield. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:05:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:No... they had to lay off 20% of theri employees because there was no WiS at all. Sure there was. Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?
You allways forget one thing. That 18 months was for carbonization of EVE. That's what majority of EVE DEVs worked on. Just look at how much of EVE code was rewritten and pushed out after that "18 months". You can see numerous bugs that appeared in all things that worked before and on the first look that did not seem like they touched it. You can see it that after "Incarna" list of CCPs technologies appeared on CCP web page all named with "Carbon" prefix. You can see it in tests of many "Carbon" things and putting it in game, like UI, like inventory, and stuff like that. They had to rewrite 8 years of old messy python code and rewrite it in C on all crucial parts of the game because it take 10 times more time for new programmers to find head and tale in that code and to implement something.
You see how they can magically change many things over night that they could not before??? Yea, thats because of it.
Their error was that they did not tell that to player base, maybe because some ppl would quit .
In that time one part of the staff worked on WiS (majority of designers) and they just didn't have time to make WiS and create what they advertise.
So please don't tell me they worked on WiS all that much. In 2 years (after pre production) you can make all new game from nothing. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:13:00 -
[3756] - Quote
Khonsu wrote:Just checking if I understand this correctly.
CCP spent several years and tons of money and work hours on delivering a 10 square meter broom closet where you can use the same features as you already could through the station buttons. Plus the fantastic feature of having your avatar sit on a sofa watching commercials on TV.
And after all these millions and years spent, they're still in the phase where they're considering thinking about trying to come up with a plan for figuring out which WiS features would be nice to implement? And the token group of people who sometimes think about this while eating their lunch, have several other tasks with higher priority?
OK, this has probably been beaten to death, but I've been away for some time... But coming back to find they just added a balcony where I can stare at my ship, which remains interesting for around 0,4 seconds (didn't some dev stress that they require high replayability in the additions?), leaves me unimpressed.
So yes, I'm pretty much ranting about something everybody agrees is broken.
And yea... that's why ppl left. They told us that they are working on WiS all that time, ppl wanted WiS and they wait, and then there was nothing of stuff their promised and it was all published with lame excuses. Only one prison cell and thats it... come on...
Ppl got frustrated by lies and by lack of WiS features that they were waiting for years, and after they have been patient for the last 18 months because promises of awesomeness, they left. |
General Jung
Asgard Intelligence Services Most Usual Suspects
1
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:14:00 -
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Dear CCP,
keep on working on incarna the social-economic perspective to EVE and ignore those who won-¦t understand. But it clear there is much todo in space and other areas from envolving and developing perspective. |
Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
4
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:20:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Close the NEX store and stop throwing resources at WiS. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM. Vote Here: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:49:00 -
[3759] - Quote
FiS Eve = Spaceship pew pew.
Dust = Walking around pew pew.
WiS Eve = Walking around... erm... yeah... just walking around. Doing jack all.
Let Incarna die, dont waste any more time, instead use the technology to let my capsuleer grab guns and pwn the CoD fanboys on Dust. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:50:00 -
[3760] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear WiS fetishists,
Please continue to insult and belittle the devs that are working hard to make the game better for everybody. It will make them less likely to listen to your silly ideas about abandoning real Eve content for more space barbie foolishness.
Sincerely,
99% of Eve players
I did not insult anyone. And i don't know how person can have that low intelligence so that cant differentiate whats insult and whats not.
p.s. And please, don't insult other EVE players with that signature under that post. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:55:00 -
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Elanor Vega wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear WiS fetishists,
Please continue to insult and belittle the devs that are working hard to make the game better for everybody. It will make them less likely to listen to your silly ideas about abandoning real Eve content for more space barbie foolishness.
Sincerely,
99% of Eve players I did not insult anyone. And i don't know how person can have that low intelligence so that cant differentiate whats insult and whats not. p.s. And please, don't insult other EVE players with that signature under that post.
Don,t blame mister Harlot having so much alts ,its easy to think that you are 99% of the playerbase
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:01:00 -
[3762] - Quote
Alfred Mahan wrote:Dear CCP,
Close the NEX store and stop throwing resources at WiS.
agreed on the Nex store a real reason for the summerrage
Sorry but i want WIS so i disagree about that
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
543
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:07:00 -
[3763] - Quote
There is an easy way for us to show CCP how many players want Wis work and how many do not.
All those who want WiS work: Keep your CQ turned on. Spread the word to others who do not read the forums. CCP knows how many players have it on so this will give them a direct measure of WiS interest. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ai Shun
351
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:03:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:There is an easy way for us to show CCP how many players want Wis work and how many do not.
All those who want WiS work: Keep your CQ turned on. Spread the word to others who do not read the forums. CCP knows how many players have it on so this will give them a direct measure of WiS interest.
It would certainly be an easy way to get a skewed result that favours our position, yes. I can completely see why you would want it that way. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1220
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:34:00 -
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If this isn't already the case then the anti WiS players should just shut the **** up now. If I didn't like WiS, I wouldn't run it at all. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Scitor Nantom
AfterMath. Broken Toys
2
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:42:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
Work on the plan, not the product at this point.
I disagree. I like agile development:
Quote:The Agile Manifesto reads, in its entirety, as follows:[1]
We are uncovering better ways of developing software by doing it and helping others do it. Through this work we have come to value:
Individuals and interactions over processes and tools Working software over comprehensive documentation Customer collaboration over contract negotiation Responding to change over following a plan That is, while there is value in the items on the right, we value the items on the left more.
FiS is great, but WiS pulls it all together and creates immersion. I can see all of this as modular based on logical structure design of stations.
1st, create fully fleshed Captains Quarters 2nd, create fully fleshed main open air station areas 3rd, create fully fleshed bars, shops, etc. with games, gambling games, entertainment, etc. 4th, add more features to all of this and possibly implement other interesting things within station that correspond to New Eden lore
I'm all in for WiS. Maybe we can eventually shoot people in the face... in stations. Just throwing this out:
I'd love for a way for a pilot to come out of capsule in a suit, spacewalk to a titan (or other ship), find a way in, take out guards, etc, but sneak their way to either the pilot or engine and take him or the engine out via sabotage.
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Ai Shun
352
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:46:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:If this isn't already the case then the anti WiS players should just shut the **** up now. If I didn't like WiS, I wouldn't run it at all.
Are you really so stupid that you think other paying customers should refrain from voicing their opinion just because they disagree with you?
Really?
Do you not see those who dislike WiS could turn around as easily and say:
Quote:If this isn't already the case then the anti FiS players should just shut the **** up now. If I didn't like FiS, I wouldn't run it at all.
And that would be dumb. Very, very dumb. Try to have a constructive debate and ignore the ones that are not constructive. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1223
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:32:00 -
[3768] - Quote
I think you missed the point of my post entirely. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Aquila Draco
146
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:34:00 -
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This is just LOL...
Guy thats pro WiS write lines and lines and lines of opinions and facts... And then few anti WiS ppl comes and write one or two whole lines anty wis. We all see now whose group have more brain and facts to sustain their opinions. |
Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
6
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:27:00 -
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Scitor Nantom wrote:
Agile manifesto quote goes here
That manifesto is getting a little old. It's all about delivering value to customers early and often. No more, no less.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM. Vote Here: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp |
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:42:00 -
[3771] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Ill rewrite (copy -> paste) part of what i said before, because i think i must do it again:
How you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST... There is only CCP - the development studio. They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money. All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game. Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way. Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead.
You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then. You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time.
There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS. And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen. Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech? Why you want EVE dead?
And many ppl like WiS. Many ppl want WiS. Many ppl need WiS to play EVE. So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever?
But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.) But... Well... thats impossible. If you dont grow, you die. Law of the stronger.
(its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.)
p.s. I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS. I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk. Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again.
... stuff ...
You have a strong point. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1229
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:57:00 -
[3772] - Quote
His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:26:00 -
[3773] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:You allways forget one thing. That 18 months was for carbonization of EVE. That's what majority of EVE DEVs worked on. Just look at how much of EVE code was rewritten and pushed out after that "18 months". You can see numerous bugs that appeared in all things that worked before and on the first look that did not seem like they touched it. You can see it that after "Incarna" list of CCPs technologies appeared on CCP web page all named with "Carbon" prefix. You can see it in tests of many "Carbon" things and putting it in game, like UI, like inventory, and stuff like that. They had to rewrite 8 years of old messy python code and rewrite it in C on all crucial parts of the game because it take 10 times more time for new programmers to find head and tale in that code and to implement something. You see how they can magically change many things over night that they could not before??? Yea, thats because of it. Their error was that they did not tell that to player base, maybe because some ppl would quit . In that time one part of the staff worked on WiS (majority of designers) and they just didn't have time to make WiS and create what they advertise. So please don't tell me they worked on WiS all that much. In 2 years (after pre production) you can make all new game from nothing.
Few people have wrote similar things on this forums, and no one of haters don't want to listen. They all "sing the same song" over and over... so, don't hold your breath that they will listen to you now. |
Aquila Draco
151
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:11:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE.
But i can't understand that some ppl just cant (or dont want to) understand it, can't see the obvious. It looks like some ppl want to see EVE dead. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1102
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:10:00 -
[3775] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE. But i can't understand that some ppl just cant (or dont want to) understand it, can't see the obvious. It looks like some ppl want to see EVE dead.
At one time that was the stated goals of the Goons in Eve.
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:57:00 -
[3776] - Quote
eve online is a complex game with great depth. the wis i see that is wanted here is not complex nor does it have any depth you all seem like a bunch of deviant freaks that want no more than dress up and emote each other in the corp room. you want social first, gameplay second. and don't tell me you had this idea and that idea, it's all shitstupid don't quit your day jobs and try to be game dev, only team avatar can do that so give them some goddamn time. eve online is a complex game with great depth. wis has to be the same.
and issler, funny how the goons, have quite a lot to lose in-game if the game is destroyed, in fact they've lost it all before and actually put the effort to getting it back again. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1103
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:46:00 -
[3777] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:eve online is a complex game with great depth. the wis i see that is wanted here is not complex nor does it have any depth you all seem like a bunch of deviant freaks that want no more than dress up and emote each other in the corp room. you want social first, gameplay second. and don't tell me you had this idea and that idea, it's all shitstupid don't quit your day jobs and try to be game dev, only team avatar can do that so give them some goddamn time. eve online is a complex game with great depth. wis has to be the same.
and issler, funny how the goons, have quite a lot to lose in-game if the game is destroyed, in fact they've lost it all before and actually put the effort to getting it back again.
If you don't believe that early in the history of the goons they openly stated their goal was to ruin Eve then you need to learn your Goon history. They intended to do to Eve what they had so successfully done to other games. I'll admit these days the Goons seem to have bought into the future of Eve more that they once did.
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:49:00 -
[3778] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:eve online is a complex game with great depth. the wis i see that is wanted here is not complex nor does it have any depth you all seem like a bunch of deviant freaks that want no more than dress up and emote each other in the corp room. you want social first, gameplay second. and don't tell me you had this idea and that idea, it's all shitstupid don't quit your day jobs and try to be game dev, only team avatar can do that so give them some goddamn time. eve online is a complex game with great depth. wis has to be the same.
and issler, funny how the goons, have quite a lot to lose in-game if the game is destroyed, in fact they've lost it all before and actually put the effort to getting it back again. If you don't believe that early in the history of the goons they openly stated their goal was to ruin Eve then you need to learn your Goon history. They intended to do to Eve what they had so successfully done to other games. I'll admit these days the Goons seem to have bought into the future of Eve more that they once did. Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate
I voted for your opponent. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ai Shun
357
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:24:00 -
[3779] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.
Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.
WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE.
You have so many flaws in that post it is almost embarrassing to stand on the same side as you in terms of WiS.
One, 80% of the population. I believe it was closer to 60% of the population in terms of characters. Characters can belong to players that are primarily active in High-sec, low-sec or Null-sec. I hover between low/high and have trade alts (3) in each of the trade hubs I am interested in. But if I had to identify with a group, it would be low-sec. Yet, 75% of my characters ... wait ... 60% of my characters are in high-sec.
It is a dangerous thing to try and draw any conclusions from and it helps to create that concept of a divide between low, high and null sec. They're just security ratings. The game underlying, EVE Online, is still largely the same game with the same type of content. I don't see a point in splitting the population up that way and it diminishes the point for me.
You are right. Some people do seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. Be wary of falling into the same trap; because it could be equally true for you. Are you sure what you want is what everybody wants? DMC was making an assertion that because of forum support the majority of players support WiS / Ambulation. That is pure nonsense; we simply don't know. All I know is that I support it. You support it. And a number of people that posted in this thread supports it. It discredits the point too much for me when people make that type of claim. Best to just state our opinions and desires and leave it to CCP to do what they, through their surveys and data and the guidance of our CSM, knows is what is desired by the general population. We can never know what that is until CCP releases that data. And thus far they have not.
I agree with you on anything that broadens the gameplay. It, being WiS, will create more avenues for other players to join which really is a good thing. The concepts of WiS (As discussed in this thread) is very valuable. I can see that as compelling game-play.
But now I have a question for you, because this is my pet desire for WiS.
What about making it a separate game like Dust 514?
Make it a F2P game with Aurum / similar microtransactions to fund it. Give it to a team of solid developers who can work on that project. And allow us to use our capsuleers in WiS. This to me seems like the win-win for both those who desire WiS (And quickly!) and those who want to keep FiS separate. Both development streams can continue - without affecting eachother hopefully. It seems like the best win-win to me. |
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Abandon WiS. Lets put this issue to bed and remove CQ completely.
We pay to play this game to fly SPACESHIPS not walk around a station masturbating to players portraits. I pay to play this game, to blow people up.. I pay, to get blown up... IN SPACE...
Walking In Stations was never an intended part of the game, it was CCP using it's members as guinea pigs for their 'latest and greatest endeavor' what was World of Darkness or some such like that.
So most people 'WANT' WiS? Well, i can't say what most people want, because I don't speak for others like so many on these forums do. But I can say what I want, and that's CQ to be stricken from the game permanently. WiS to be stricken from the project boards, and for everyone to quit crying because it hasn't been implemented yet.
If you want to walk around in a game that is focused around flying space ships, you need to re-think your ideas of a space game. If people really want to walk around in a game, there are plenty of games to do just that... even space games (from what i hear)... lets list some now just for you people...
World of Warcraft - yep you can walk around in this... FlyFF - free alternative to world of warcraft - and yes you get to walk around in this too..
9dragons - made by acclaim, free -- and yep you can walk around here too...
None of these games are space games, but they give you what you want that is walking around like a rogue dumbass somewhere that no one cares you're doing it. There are plenty of space games that do offer walking around as well, though being that I don't pay to play a game to walk around -- i don't know them off the top of my head...
Keep WiS functionality to games for children -- for the people that are too scared to do anything else -- or for people who's comprehension of a game doesn't exceed that of something smiliar to WoW or FlyFF or any of the similar 'made for children' type of games... |
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