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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1661
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:11:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread?
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Ai Shun
646
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:54:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread?
Reported for off-topic and personal attacks - as you have been for the last few posts. Please keep this thread clean and about WiS instead of your personal vendettas, DMC. WiS is important to some of us. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
408
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:53:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread? Reported for off-topic and personal attacks - as you have been for the last few posts. Please keep this thread clean and about WiS instead of your personal vendettas, DMC. WiS is important to some of us.
He's usually so good at reporting ppl but keeping his nose clean. sad
Ai Shun: If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading?
Ive noticed that too. We seem to be agreeing, unless theres a point I hadnt read where I said it was the ONLY reason ppl left? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Soritai
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:16:00 -
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Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
193
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:20:00 -
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Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely?
My Magic 8-Ball says no.
Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time. |
Soritai
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:30:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely? My Magic 8-Ball says no. Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time.
Well if ccp hasn't said definitively, this is a pretty reasonable response, thanks. |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:39:00 -
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I should think that if they want to make game-play content for the avatars, THEN it's a pretty simple matter to create some in-station RP spaces as well. They are primarily just environments. Things to do there would be nice, but just having the environments is key.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
356
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:01:00 -
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Given that there is pressure to remove local. CCP needs to ensure that players are still able to meet and socialise so they can form friendships and corporations.
A social space on stations would help provide this. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
408
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:18:00 -
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Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge)
They are btw
Lapine Davion wrote:Soritai wrote:Ah you lovable little forum junkies. I'm definitely not wading through 100's of pages of childish bickering (if the last 2 pages are any judge), so if this is a repeat question sorry...
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely? My Magic 8-Ball says no. Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time.
My magic 8 ball says theyre waiting for the negative press to die down first
Flamespar wrote:Given that there is pressure to remove local. CCP needs to ensure that players are still able to meet and socialise so they can form friendships and corporations.
A social space on stations would help provide this.
and/or make it so the rest of us can murder you in your stations :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ai Shun
646
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:31:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive noticed that too. We seem to be agreeing, unless theres a point I hadnt read where I said it was the ONLY reason ppl left?
I didn't see that either and scanned back through the posts to double check.
I did find your comments about World of Darkness and the development parallels interesting though. I'm a big fan of taking the entire team from World of Darkness and building a full, avatar based experience for EVE online that is not just restricted to capsuleers, but planetary environments, etc. as well. Basically taking that team and instead of developing World of Darkness, building a new game focussed on the EVE Universe.
Has a lot of potential, I think and the resources as well. I've been devoting some of my spare time to scoping it, but as with most pet projects it's the type of thing that doesn't see much time when I could be playing EVE / Age of Conan / whatever or being out and having fun.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
409
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:00:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Ive noticed that too. We seem to be agreeing, unless theres a point I hadnt read where I said it was the ONLY reason ppl left? I didn't see that either and scanned back through the posts to double check. I did find your comments about World of Darkness and the development parallels interesting though. I'm a big fan of taking the entire team from World of Darkness and building a full, avatar based experience for EVE online that is not just restricted to capsuleers, but planetary environments, etc. as well. Basically taking that team and instead of developing World of Darkness, building a new game focussed on the EVE Universe. Has a lot of potential, I think and the resources as well. I've been devoting some of my spare time to scoping it, but as with most pet projects it's the type of thing that doesn't see much time when I could be playing EVE / Age of Conan / whatever or being out and having fun.
Yeah it would be cool. I just thought that the parrallel between when WiS was put on hold (As per the dev blog and what CCP said) and at the exact same time WoD was put on hold and/or given a skeleton crew (at the time as they werent playing up as big a team as theyre saying are working on it now thats for sure) was THAT hard to see, then I see that page where they say its a prototype (yeah its not an official CCP site but guess who it was that told THEM the info THEY had), and its not hard to put two an two together here if youre willing to see it https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ai Shun
646
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:47:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Yeah it would be cool. I just thought that the parrallel between when WiS was put on hold (As per the dev blog and what CCP said) and at the exact same time WoD was put on hold and/or given a skeleton crew (at the time as they werent playing up as big a team as theyre saying are working on it now thats for sure) was THAT hard to see, then I see that page where they say its a prototype (yeah its not an official CCP site but guess who it was that told THEM the info THEY had), and its not hard to put two an two together here if youre willing to see it
Yarly. Keep in mind though that there was a lot of resentment built up from FiS and the legacy problems, then the whole gold ammo / microtransaction fiasco that broke the Drake's back. I'm not surprised CCP re-allocated a number of resources to focus on their core product and that they pulled them from everywhere.
Now though, with a core of EVE development focussed on EVE FiS, a whole dev studio for Dust 514, I'd love it if they'd re-allocate World of Darkness to WiS as a new game. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
409
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:00:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Yeah it would be cool. I just thought that the parrallel between when WiS was put on hold (As per the dev blog and what CCP said) and at the exact same time WoD was put on hold and/or given a skeleton crew (at the time as they werent playing up as big a team as theyre saying are working on it now thats for sure) was THAT hard to see, then I see that page where they say its a prototype (yeah its not an official CCP site but guess who it was that told THEM the info THEY had), and its not hard to put two an two together here if youre willing to see it Yarly. Keep in mind though that there was a lot of resentment built up from FiS and the legacy problems, then the whole gold ammo / microtransaction fiasco that broke the Drake's back. I'm not surprised CCP re-allocated a number of resources to focus on their core product and that they pulled them from everywhere. Now though, with a core of EVE development focussed on EVE FiS, a whole dev studio for Dust 514, I'd love it if they'd re-allocate World of Darkness to WiS as a new game.
Well yeah especially given the MT based WoD they weer gonna create would cause SO MUCH more rage. Imagine a MMO whre to get more abilities you had to pay irl money... IF of course the WoD part of Greed is good wasnt meant as a joke (I hope it was).
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:47:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:I'm a big fan of taking the entire team from World of Darkness and building a full, avatar based experience for EVE online that is not just restricted to capsuleers, but planetary environments, etc. as well. Basically taking that team and instead of developing World of Darkness, building a new game focussed on the EVE Universe.
I would LOVE to see something that takes you into the various colonies on planets and particularly the major city environments (which I imagine would be quite different from one race to another), where they could build on some of the stories you might find in the Chronicles.
Some futuristic, Blade Runner type (as one example) story driven game play, something with a lot of depth and character development, would be great.
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Ai Shun
647
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Posted - 2012.04.16 06:42:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I would LOVE to see something that takes you into the various colonies on planets and particularly the major city environments (which I imagine would be quite different from one race to another), where they could build on some of the stories you might find in the Chronicles.
Exactly. I strongly, strongly believe they need to make WiS a separate game. That way they can fund it separately, have a separate development team and it won't cause any problems with EVE / FiS being left behind. It would allow WiS to stand on its own and if they allow us to use our capsuleer characters, with some cross-over skills, in the new Avatar based game it would be awesome. It needs to be able to interface with EVE pilots; but think of the Dust concepts ...
There is so much scope and potential.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1672
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:33:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
DMC wrote:I also presented lot's of other facts that contributed to the 'Summer Of Rage' yet some players choose to ignore them and cling to a fallacy that all players left simply due to WiS being implemented into the game If you two seem to agree that WiS was part of the reason, but not the entire reason, why are you derailing the thread? Or is it just that one or both of you two are incapable of reading? Once again you do selective quoting, misdirection and portray things out of context. Is it because you suffer from ADHD or are intentionally trying to derail this thread? Reported for off-topic and personal attacks - as you have been for the last few posts. Please keep this thread clean and about WiS instead of your personal vendettas, DMC. WiS is important to some of us.
Hahaha, talk about personal vendettas. I must admit I had a really good laugh when I read your reply, especially with you continuing to do the same exact thing you accuse me of doing. But hey, if you wanna start reporting every little thing, that's fine by me. Just remember it's a two way street and I have no problem traveling down that road with you.
FYI - Issler Dainze created this thread asking for all pro-WiS players to post their support. Going by that then everyone who posts a negative reply about WiS in this thread is off topic and trying to derail this thread. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
591
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:01:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:
you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.
The very Idea of WiS has been introduced in EVE by CCP since 2005-2006 and has been a concept from earlier. It has always been part of the future of eve. That is a fact and can be verified by many forums threads and videos of CCP themselves since they launched the game.
I left after being a good customer of CCP's since the launch of the game not because I didn't want WiS but because I didn't want an eve that was based on crappy principles, aurum, nex and fail-cascade hubris filled nonsense buzzwords like "fearless". I returned because CCP understood they should first fix a game, introduce new elements and flesh out their world while doing upkeep of the existing gameplay elements.
I look forward in running around in the new improved POS that will have WiS "easily" implemented thanks to its modular one piece construction and scavenging stuff in abandoned stations while ships await my return. I want everything that was promised in the eve forever and eve future vision trailers. I don't want a part of that vision I want the whole pie, but I want it in a sustained, correct, feasible and technically well introduced manner with gameplay, rewards, death and glory. (and explosions).
- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Ai Shun
647
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:06:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.
Qualified by saying: "for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't)
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FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:28:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I would LOVE to see something that takes you into the various colonies on planets and particularly the major city environments (which I imagine would be quite different from one race to another), where they could build on some of the stories you might find in the Chronicles.
Some futuristic, Blade Runner type (as one example) story driven game play, something with a lot of depth and character development, would be great.
Was the above quoted post I made deleted!
It appears to have been, and I'm probably violating the forum rules for reposting it, BUT I very much would like to know what exactly was wrong with it, that it got deleted, so I can be sure not to do it again. So.... someone please let me know before this post gets deleted. Sorry I'm a newb here, maybe mentioning Blade Runner starts flame wars or something.
(P.S. The original post included a quote from Ai Shun, that also didn't seem out of place under most forum rules I'm familiar with, but is also gone).
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Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:10:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
(P.S. The original post included a quote from Ai Shun, that also didn't seem out of place under most forum rules I'm familiar with, but is also gone).
I have no idea. After all, we were discussing WiS, the options on a full game by itself with Avatar gameplay on colonies and not engaging in personal attacks. It seemed completely on-topic to me. I suspect there was a bit of malicious post reporting going on from the usual suspect.
Edit: Here is your original post. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1678
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:25:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information. |
Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:46:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information.
I am not attacking WiS or blaming it. I understand concepts like "visible scapegoat" and "event if it wasn't" are difficult to understand. Please send me an EVE Mail if you would like them explained; I'm happy to take the time to do so.
Unless of course you are just deliberately mispresenting what I said because you are still upset over the time I called you on your lie that "most players wants WiS". In which case - carry on. I can't really help you feel better about that.
And no, you cannot rely on the forum as a source of information. All the players in-game do not post on the forums. That is a self-selecting sample and is certainly unreliable information. |
Avila Cracko
340
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:55:00 -
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WOW...
2 posts before this mine, DeMichael Crimsons post is 4354. post in this thread (#4354Posted: 2012.04.16 22:25) and that same post on Chribbas eve-search is 4642. post (Posted - 2012.04.16 22:25:00 - [4642] - Quote) Around 300 posts deleted from this thread. Thats like 7% of posts in this thread is deleted... truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
FoxFire Ayderan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:07:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
(P.S. The original post included a quote from Ai Shun, that also didn't seem out of place under most forum rules I'm familiar with, but is also gone).
I have no idea. After all, we were discussing WiS, the options on a full game by itself with Avatar gameplay on colonies and not engaging in personal attacks. It seemed completely on-topic to me. I suspect there was a bit of malicious post reporting going on from the usual suspect. Edit: Here is your original post.
Ah, the usual suspect. I'm new so I don't know who that is. But he (or she) is not making a very good first impression.
Anyhow... does that site you linked archive posts to these forums? If so, cool! Glad someone out there is keeping an accurate record.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1678
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:04:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information. I am not attacking WiS or blaming it. I understand concepts like " visible scapegoat" and " event if it wasn't" are difficult to understand. Please send me an EVE Mail if you would like them explained; I'm happy to take the time to do so. Unless of course you are just deliberately mispresenting what I said because you are still upset over the time I called you on your lie that " most players wants WiS". In which case - carry on. I can't really help you feel better about that. And no, you cannot rely on the forum as a source of information. All the players in-game do not post on the forums. That is a self-selecting sample and is certainly unreliable information. Wow, more personal attacks? I'm not even going to get into how your previous statements contradict this latest statement from you.
FYI - My statement = majority of players wanted the WiS that was previewed in Ambulation, not the WiS that was implemented in Incarna.
Please post proof that my statement is a lie.
As for you stating the forums isn't a source of information. You really need to check yourself. CCP has stated in this and other threads they view the forums as a source of information. |
Ai Shun
648
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:26:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information. I am not attacking WiS or blaming it. I understand concepts like " visible scapegoat" and " event if it wasn't" are difficult to understand. Please send me an EVE Mail if you would like them explained; I'm happy to take the time to do so. Unless of course you are just deliberately mispresenting what I said because you are still upset over the time I called you on your lie that " most players wants WiS". In which case - carry on. I can't really help you feel better about that. And no, you cannot rely on the forum as a source of information. All the players in-game do not post on the forums. That is a self-selecting sample and is certainly unreliable information. Wow, more personal attacks? I'm not even going to get into how your previous statements contradict this latest statement from you. FYI - My statement = majority of players wanted the WiS that was previewed in Ambulation, not the WiS that was implemented in Incarna. Please post proof that my statement is a lie. As for you stating the forums isn't a source of information. You really need to check yourself. CCP has stated in this and other threads they view the forums as a source of information.
If you want to persist in dragging this off-topic.
(a) Not all the players post on the forums. Yes or No? (b) Can you tell me how many post on the forums out of the total population? (c) Can you claim a majority, based off a forum thread, from that?
The answer to all three is no. Not all the players post on the forums. You can't tell there is a majority, thus claiming a majority from a forum thread is patently false. Spin whichever way you want; but you do a disservice to WiS by keeping on with those types of lies.
I am asking you politely, stop lying about WiS. You are harming a product a number of us want for EVE Online. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:52:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.
No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.
AGAIN, quote the post where he said WiS was the
ONLY
reason ppl left the game. I seperated that out cause ppl are having a hard time with it
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was. Qualified by saying: " for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't) The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives.
Please go back and review my posts. Youre agruing a point I WASNT making
Since this is SO DAMN HARD Ill repost it
Quote:WiS was part of why ppl; left the game.
associating WiS with the lack of work on FiS...
So in your world view what WERE they doing during that time? What do YOU blame for that lack of development?
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
FYI - My statement = majority of players wanted the WiS that was previewed in Ambulation, not the WiS that was implemented in Incarna.
Hey look, we DO agree on something https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:04:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:WOW... 2 posts before this mine, DeMichael Crimsons post is 4354. post in this thread (#4354Posted: 2012.04.16 22:25) and that same post on Chribbas eve-search is 4642. post (Posted - 2012.04.16 22:25:00 - [4642] - Quote) Around 300 posts deleted from this thread. Thats like 7% of posts in this thread is deleted...
Wonder how many will be before they lock the thread? Demichael and the girl he's fighting with are pretty much just punctuating their personal attacks with WiS here and there to make it look like they're on topic now
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Ai Shun
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Richard Hammond II wrote:AGAIN, quote the post where he said WiS was the
ONLY
reason ppl left the game. I seperated that out cause ppl are having a hard time with it
True.
I strongly suspect that WiS is getting the blame for a lot of it in the hearts / minds of players though. Not because it was at fault; but because it was the fail-feature half delivered at the time. It was the one aspect of NeX and micro-transactions that was visible. It was the elephant in the living room that did just about nothing except melt video cards for poorly performing systems and it has a strong association with other reasons for failure that just became visible because of it.
I hope CCP can find a way around that initial impression, because if you look at some of the concept avatars that are created (See www.eveportraits.com) there is some amazing scope from a character creation aspect. It has a lot of potential. |
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