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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:58:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:drdxie wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. Switch off CQ. Problem solved. I have but me being selfish would prefer CCP effort spent on other things rather than "Leisure suite Larry" type game play Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
ur stuff I can have?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
483
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:06:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
ur stuff I can have?
Of course don't, I may need it in the future if CCP does their homework. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Ai Shun
654
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:14:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:drdxie wrote:We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties ^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay. There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc. Switch off CQ. Problem solved.
So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved.
How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
483
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:45:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Quote:Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. Yeah, except those are aspects of the core EVE game and has been since the game was released. If you didn't want a part of that, why did you even try playing EVE? Radically different gameplay should go into a different game. How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time.
Abridged version: wanted to play X3 online, EVE was the nearest thing.
I didn't start playing EVE because i liked it, but because it was the only one. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:18:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Quote:Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. Yeah, except those are aspects of the core EVE game and has been since the game was released. If you didn't want a part of that, why did you even try playing EVE? Radically different gameplay should go into a different game. How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time. Abridged version: wanted to play X3 online, EVE was the nearest thing. I didn't start playing EVE because i liked it, but because it was the only one.
took you three years? |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:50:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
ur stuff I can have? Of course don't, I may need it in the future if CCP does their homework.
you wont, they wont, gimme
Ai Shun wrote:
So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved.
I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ai Shun
655
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:42:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want.
Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players.
Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
483
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:42:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
"I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.
I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"
You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:46:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
264
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:41:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
I think you should give up on the idea of WiS being a stand alone game. It would be amazing if CCP made a RPG like Mass Effect, Skyrim or Fallout set in the EVE universe but that would involve a massive time and money investment from CCP... Besides, i doubt CCP would be capable of creating an RPG that could compete with the examples listed above without buying up another company.
There are multiple ways CCP could develop and expand WiS, most of which have been discussed in this thread at length but it looks like CCP have completely lost convinced in their originally vision for WiS, made evident by the fact they are prototyping exploration content rather than station content. |
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Ai Shun
655
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:09:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I think you should give up on the idea of WiS being a stand alone game. It would be amazing if CCP made a RPG like Mass Effect, Skyrim or Fallout set in the EVE universe but that would involve a massive time and money investment from CCP... Besides, i doubt CCP would be capable of creating an RPG that could compete with the examples listed above without buying up another company.
I'm guessing this is why CCP is developing World of Darkness. Because as you say, they don't have the capacity to create a RPG and they don't have the time and money investment to do that ...
I'd prefer it if they took that team and had them develop a game in the EVE Universe. Different IP, different content, same engine, same team - familiar universe with a significant amount of lore and opportunity in it.
Then we'd have the trinity of avatar based gameplay, ship/space based gameplay, mercenary FPS. All we'd need then is a RTS to layer inbetween Dust / EVE and WiS / EVE and WiS / Dust and the EVE universe will cater for everyone. And tie them all together.
Don't you think that is a glorious vision for the future?
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
264
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:20:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:
Don't you think that is a glorious vision for the future?
I do but sadly, i don't thing that vision will be realized for quite some time.
I think the best way forward is to iterate on the existing content and keep it all on a single "shard". |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
485
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:41:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling
As a mater of fact, my accounts have been cancelled since november (my main) and after Crucible (this one). This one is runing on the remnant of a 6 month prepayment. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:48:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling As a mater of fact, my accounts have been cancelled since november (my main) and after Crucible (this one). This one is runing on the remnant of a 6 month prepayment. Really? why? sorry to hear that. |
bornaa
GRiD.
218
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:35:00 -
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I was thinking a little about all this DX11 thing in EVE and WiS.
I think that DX11 will be savior for WiS. DX11 have so much more optimizations in it and it will make WiS engine viable for use. Ok, minimal specs machines for EVE will go up (now its like 8 years old machine) but i don't see why to have 100% support for more then 4 years old machines... EVE could get DX11 in a year, year and a half and that would mean that you will need hardware from like 2008/9th for EVE.
And, its only logical that avatar engine is made for DX11 because i don't see that MMO that will be released in few years does not support DX11. Yea, I am talking about WoD. And maybe all this problems with WiS are here because of that. They tried engine that is made for DX11 push on DX9 machines and because of that remove some of optimizations. That Ain't Right |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:49:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them
thats what Im saying... as long as the damn opt out button stays in the UI I dont care what WiS ppl do
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them "I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.
I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored.
Yeaaaah cause WiS or no WiS is soooooo a racial thing... Plus, you ignore everyone that disagrees with you an youll soon be talking to yourself
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:54:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
now that's trolling As a mater of fact, my accounts have been cancelled since november (my main) and after Crucible (this one). This one is runing on the remnant of a 6 month prepayment.
so youll be gone soon. That "ignored" thing has gotta sting SOOOOO hard
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1698
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Posted - 2012.04.18 18:47:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want. Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players. Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them "I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.
I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored. Exactly 100% true. Not to mention now using the 'Saintly Victim' card whenever called on it. Especially like the tactic of continued misdirection with selective quoting and bringing in alts to post agreement trying to give credence to their statements, mainly using the old strategy of overwhelming the opposition with a flood of multiple posted replies, basically shouting out and silencing any rebuttal which they do quite well.
Their agenda ever since the beginning of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the implementation of WiS content into Eve Online. All kinds of reasons have been desperately used trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to WiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that it be considered and released as a completely different game thus fulfilling their initial objective: stop WiS content being implemented into Eve Online.
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Ai Shun
657
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:20:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I do but sadly, i don't thing that vision will be realized for quite some time.
I think the best way forward is to iterate on the existing content and keep it all on a single "shard".
/sigh. Probably not. But I see a lot of promise, a few small ideas - but nothing solid happening from CCP and this thread is now 216 or 218 pages (More if you lose the trolling responses like above)
If we could have a dedicate team - not a 4 or 5 man team - but a full project / game team we may get something awesome developed and before another 5 or 6 years have passed. No disrespect intended to Team Avatar, but you guys seem to be left mostly without plan, guidance or a big vision and you have a lot of other cool things you seem to be busy with as well.
I can't help but feel that a small exploration site, or a 10 person room is just going to be awesome for us - but a death knell in terms of the rest of the game's population.
DMC wrote:Exactly 100% true. Not to mention now using the 'Saintly Victim' card whenever called on it. Especially like the tactic of continued misdirection with selective quoting and bringing in alts to post agreement trying to give credence to their statements, mainly using the old strategy of overwhelming the opposition with a flood of multiple posted replies, basically shouting out and silencing any rebuttal which they do quite well.
Their agenda ever since the beginning of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the implementation of WiS content into Eve Online. All kinds of reasons have been desperately used trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to WiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that it be considered and released as a completely different game thus fulfilling their initial objective: stop WiS content being implemented into Eve Online.
Unfortunately, replying to someone forces you to see the last 10 posts which includes this. Please stop with the personal attacks. I have asked you before and reported your posts; you may have noticed they were removed. The factual statements from myself and people like Doc Fury remained.
Again, please stay on the WiS topic and drop the personal attacks. There is no need for it here. If you feel like insulting me or making baseless accusations, please send me an EVE Mail. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
215
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:40:00 -
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Historically speaking, there has been a very small minority of players who want absolutely no WiS content. More recently (post-incarna) a few more people are against it because they believe that after this one screw up CCP cannot do it right and so should stop trying.
It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content. Many just don't want to it end up being like Space Orgrimmar.
Edit: Also I would like to confirm that I am an Ai Shun alt. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
824
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:11:00 -
[4701] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content.
Where did you obtain this information? I would like to review it assuming that CCP has released statistics supporting your statement.
Or is this just your impression or feeling?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
215
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:17:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content.
Where did you obtain this information? I would like to review it assuming that CCP has released statistics supporting your statement. Or is this just your impression or feeling based on reading player forum posts/threads?
It's a rough ballpark guesstimate. I would also go as far as to say that most players don't want the WiS portion of the game to take away attention from FiS.
Edit: I should have put a few "probably"s in that post. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1698
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:20:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:DMC wrote:Exactly 100% true. Not to mention now using the 'Saintly Victim' card whenever called on it. Especially like the tactic of continued misdirection with selective quoting and bringing in alts to post agreement trying to give credence to their statements, mainly using the old strategy of overwhelming the opposition with a flood of multiple posted replies, basically shouting out and silencing any rebuttal which they do quite well.
Their agenda ever since the beginning of this thread has been to disrupt and or obstruct the implementation of WiS content into Eve Online. All kinds of reasons have been desperately used trying to achieve this goal. Due to realizing that CCP is committed to WiS content, the new ploy is to feign interest and support while advocating that it be considered and released as a completely different game thus fulfilling their initial objective: stop WiS content being implemented into Eve Online. Unfortunately, replying to someone forces you to see the last 10 posts which includes this. Please stop with the personal attacks. I have asked you before and reported your posts; you may have noticed they were removed. The factual statements from myself and people like Doc Fury remained. Again, please stay on the WiS topic and drop the personal attacks. There is no need for it here. If you feel like insulting me or making baseless accusations, please send me an EVE Mail.
Using your 'Saintly Victim' routine while conducting your personal attack vendetta towards me is a very cunning ploy. Stop twisting everything out of context and making it personal.
My reply was on topic as I was agreeing with and elaborating on another players posted reply.
If you had me blocked, you wouldn't see my reply unless someone else quoted it. This wasn't a personal attack against you but you are damn sure trying to make it personal.
I noticed a lot of yours and other players posted replies were also removed as well. Since you're turning this into some sort of 'report' game with friends and alts, guess I need to step up. If you want to bring this in-game, no prob.
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Ai Shun
657
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:28:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Historically speaking, there has been a very small minority of players who want absolutely no WiS content. More recently (post-incarna) a few more people are against it because they believe that after this one screw up CCP cannot do it right and so should stop trying.
It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content. Many just don't want to it end up being like Space Orgrimmar.
Edit: Also I would like to confirm that I am an Ai Shun alt.
Ooo ooo! Can I be an Ai Shun alt too?
I've seen / heard players say "majority" before. I've seen / heard players say "minority" before. Not quite sure who has it right, although there are players that claim a self selecting, biased sample from a forum can be reliably extrapolated to a population - well - with at least a basic knowledge of statistical sampling I reject that as being the idiocy it is.
However, I am dead keen to see the truth.
I'd love it if CCP would actually release the numbers or even just do a public survey. It would allow us to put this to rest one way or the other and either get the support that WiS deserves from the player-base and the wider development community (In addition to the team it currently has) or to accept what will be a horrible thing.
I'm not hopeful though. The current resource allocation, grateful as I am for it, and the time devoted to the topic at fanfest makes me a little bit more pessimistic about what CCP's view is - irrespective of what the player view may be.
/sigh. Maybe I should just pull finger and get that proposal done, post it in Features and Ideas and hope it generates some excitement. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:22:00 -
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I know that there will be WIS in the EVE future. I have seen it in a "vision". |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
215
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:25:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Historically speaking, there has been a very small minority of players who want absolutely no WiS content. More recently (post-incarna) a few more people are against it because they believe that after this one screw up CCP cannot do it right and so should stop trying.
It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content. Many just don't want to it end up being like Space Orgrimmar.
Edit: Also I would like to confirm that I am an Ai Shun alt. Ooo ooo! Can I be an Ai Shun alt too? I've seen / heard players say "majority" before. I've seen / heard players say "minority" before. Not quite sure who has it right, although there are players that claim a self selecting, biased sample from a forum can be reliably extrapolated to a population - well - with at least a basic knowledge of statistical sampling I reject that as being the idiocy it is. However, I am dead keen to see the truth. I'd love it if CCP would actually release the numbers or even just do a public survey. It would allow us to put this to rest one way or the other and either get the support that WiS deserves from the player-base and the wider development community (In addition to the team it currently has) or to accept what will be a horrible thing. I'm not hopeful though. The current resource allocation, grateful as I am for it, and the time devoted to the topic at fanfest makes me a little bit more pessimistic about what CCP's view is - irrespective of what the player view may be. /sigh. Maybe I should just pull finger and get that proposal done, post it in Features and Ideas and hope it generates some excitement.
I'm pretty sure that WiS is in the future of our game. Whether people like it or not, it is going to happen. I think instead of people arguing about whether it needs to be made or not, people should argue about how awesome it should be. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:55:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved. Do you know how much content is in the client that I have never use? I'd be surprised if it was more than 50%. When you say substantial, is that more substantial than say Apocrypha? Can you point me to some hard facts?
Unless it is really substantial, I don't see a problem with people having to download and update stuff they don't like. That's how EVE is. You can't/won't use it all. |
Ai Shun
658
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:20:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Ai Shun wrote:So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?
Problem not solved. Do you know how much content is in the client that I have never use? I'd be surprised if it was more than 50%. When you say substantial, is that more substantial than say Apocrypha? Can you point me to some hard facts? Unless it is really substantial, I don't see a problem with people having to download and update stuff they don't like. That's how EVE is. You can't/won't use it all.
I take the point.
But I see the two as different games conceptually. The content you point at is part of the FiS portion of EVE and is a part of that game - irrespective of what you choose to engage in within that.
For a full, ambulation and avatar based game I would expect the content to be massive. It would have to be if it succeeds in the vision that we have for it - it could end up being the size of a typical MMO installation on top of the EVE content. (Think of Age of Conan which is how big?) It is also a substantial divergence from the core EVE FiS gameplay. (Desirable, but very different)
It would seem fairer to me if the players who only wanted FiS game as per original, vanilla EVE was not forced to download all the assets, models, textures, etc. required for the ambulation game.
Taking it a step further. If they ported Dust 514 to the PC; would we want to force everyone to download and keep that updated even if they did not play it? I see EVE Ambulation / WiS as similar in scope and would expect it to be handled similarly in execution.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:40:00 -
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Indeed, it might become a problem when it approaches that size, but I don't think that even the 2008 version/vision of WiS would come close to being a separate game, at least not one I would be willing to pay extra for.
But ideally, the whole universe will be Free-to-Play and modular by the time this becomes an issue.
Also, I would like to replace your FiS for sandbox, because EVE is a more than just FiS for me. That way I would be able to say that WiS is just another color of sand and not a divergence from the core gameplay. |
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:46:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Indeed, it might become a problem when it approaches that size, but I don't think that even the 2008 version/vision of WiS would come close to being a separate game, at least not one I would be willing to pay extra for.
I guess we have different ideas for what WiS / ambulation should be as an end-product. I'm not after a simple tack-on; I want a rich and compelling gameplay experience with a full avatar based game. No harm in that though
Che Biko wrote:But ideally, the whole universe will be Free-to-Play and modular by the time this becomes an issue.
Heh!
Che Biko wrote:Also, I would like to replace your FiS for sandbox, because EVE is a more than just FiS for me. That way I would be able to say that WiS is just another color of sand and not a divergence from the core gameplay.
Eventually I hope that EVE Universe will be the full sandbox with multiple games all playing in it. But I don't see the harm in having separate games to deliver a rich experience within that sandbox, specialised for the core gameplay they focus on. |
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