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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:43:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. They can peacefully co-exist; it's CCP's poor implementation of Incarna's debut that was the problem. Hilmar and company saw a well organized, very vocal and sizable group (whether that group truly represents the "will of the playerbase" I don't know) and got scared. Now they're moving the pendulum too far in the other direction and tossing us who wanted Incarna (as it was initially presented) under the bus.
A lot of people (me included) were, and still are, looking forward to being able to interact with other players in ways besides shooting at a soundless, zoomed out bunch of red icons on a HUD.
You guys saying "it's only 20%" who want Incarna (and you have no idea but, let's take your figure for the sake of argument) think about what impact it would have if CCP loses 20% of its subscribers. It probably wouldn't kill Eve but, in these economic times what business wants to risk cutting off 1/5 of its revenues like that?
make sure you send a thank-you card to aunt muriel for the thesaurus |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:44:00 -
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or thank the guy from the end of matrix II for ghostwriting your post, whichever is correct |
Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:45:00 -
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Id very much like WiS but what i want more than that is spaceship suff All Carebears Must Die. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:47:00 -
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I want interesting and usable content.
Captain's Quarters has been a pathetic failure on this count, so it can die in a fire. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
36
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:48:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
LOL an MMO player talking about FPS. Like any of you have a clue. EVE, like all MMOs, is easymode, low skill gaming. If you can PVP with a mouse in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other then you are the typical MMO player. Don't even dare to think about incorporating a game of skill into EVE. This is why Dust needs to be released sooner than later. A lot of people want a twitch skill game. EVE is losing out on a vast part of the gaming market. If you added anything in EVE that required the use of the WASD keys(walking, for instance), half the playerbase would (threaten to) quit. Oh wait... Mr Epeen
Not sure if serious........ "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
13
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:49:00 -
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No walking in station is nonessential not working not interesting part of the game .
Vision that CCP shoved us is years(maybe never) away only thing we got and will got if wis is to continue is nex joke with poker and similar crap that are nothing more than "cheap lack of idea product" no thanks go ruin some other game. |
Tristan North
The Scope
22
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:51:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hell yes this. Id much rather they turn away from this trend and work on the main game instead of a side game Ill never play. You WiS wanters saw the same chain of events we did, if you actually give a **** about this game and not just your feature of the month, youd shut the hell up and let CCP recover before making these demands. Id rather have EVE than let you guys **** it all up, **** over CCP and get this game destroyed listening to you. If you want Barbie, there are a hell of a lot more games out there for you, get the hell out of the ONE that isnt this. You wont be missed and you can even keep your stuff.
CCP didn't spend years with all the devs working on WiS, they weren't even working on EvE. It's obvious untill you're ********.
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Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:52:00 -
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All the trolls aside, yeah, some of us do want WiS, and have done so since who knows when. Current implementation aside (see what I did there?), it would be an awesome addition to the Science Fiction game with spaceships I started to pay for.
There's an immense amount of lore and backstory for EVE, but only one fourth of it is in the spaceship department. Spaceships do tie in with the rest of it, but it's not the whole damn thing. It's the arrogance of a few pilots that makes it seem more important than it is in the big picture, and the arrogance of few vocal ones was what led SOE astray with SWG... Don't do the same mistake all over again.
EVE is about spaceships, yes, but that's not ALL it is about, and there's only so much content for spaceships you can make in the end. Developing different types of content and making it all work together is a lot of work, but it will open up combinations that expand the amount of things you can do exponentially (at least in an ideal situation).
Also, people constantly crying about BARBIE are obviously upset with their current avatars, so allow them a makeover, please . |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:54:00 -
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I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:59:00 -
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Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there.
After observing some of the Goons' avatars on the forums, I can understand that. Also, I get it that they're made that way since they weren't interested in the idea in the first place, but honestly, beyond some of the CSM, who cares what the Goons think? |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:59:00 -
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the funny thing is, you know who wrote a column about how great an addition incarna would be and then got rather embarassed when captain's quarters hit?
CSM chairman for life The Mittani
doesn't matter if you want it or not, the reality is CCP can't deliver |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:00:00 -
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seriously, it's on ten ton hammer, and his "oops, mea culpa" followup column when incarna was such **** |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
68
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:00:00 -
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To the WiS haters, I never suggested stopping work in the FiS content. I am commenting that Hilmar is wrong about folks in Eve not wanting WiS, a lot do! And ending WiS development after delivering the only single player per instance prison cell MMO in the 'verse will be a constant reminder of how lame CCP is at things.
I'd suggest WoD is dead, not because there isn't a huge market for MMO vampire games, but because CCP finally realized there is no way to commercialize a game based on the Carbon engine.
What I want (and I think a lot of other folks) is for CCP to let us know there is staffing asigned to WiS, that they will farm the best suggestions that the players have offered about how WiS would make Eve better and finally they will be finding a new engine for WiS going forward.
We now have to live with a character generator a lot of us think isn't as good as the original one (at least if all we can do is sit locked in a prison cell with no promise of any improvements). I know I liked my previous portraits better.
Please CCP add some sort of interaction with other players in CQ! (you could let us tap code through the walls to the CQ next to us and at least make more like the prison cell it is!!!)
CCP show us you have a plan to go further than Captains Prison Rooms because if you claim you stopped because no one in Eve wants a WiS experience you are wrong or lying!
Issler |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:01:00 -
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Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there.
so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago.
so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH
actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit |
Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:04:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:the funny thing is, you know who wrote a column about how great an addition incarna would be and then got rather embarassed when captain's quarters hit?
CSM chairman for life The Mittani
doesn't matter if you want it or not, the reality is CCP can't deliver
You're not wrong. The current CQ is not what Incarna should've been about. However, bashing the idea of WiS based on that CQ is hardly worth note, because the idea behind it is still good, it's just the realization of the idea that leaves a lot to desire. Abandoning whole WiS as it is just because some people can't see beyond the moment is not a good idea after making the first steps towards it. Delay it if it's not ready, sure, but abandon fully? Not smart. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
68
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:06:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH
That makes a strong case for it. I bet less than 1/5 of Eve is in WHs, has a supercapital, does PW, has a POS, flies T3, participates in the Alliance Tournemant......
Issler |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:06:00 -
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Cyra Mangeiri wrote:Weaselior wrote:the funny thing is, you know who wrote a column about how great an addition incarna would be and then got rather embarassed when captain's quarters hit?
CSM chairman for life The Mittani
doesn't matter if you want it or not, the reality is CCP can't deliver You're not wrong. The current CQ is not what Incarna should've been about. However, bashing the idea of WiS based on that CQ is hardly worth note, because the idea behind it is still good, it's just the realization of the idea that leaves a lot to desire. Abandoning whole WiS as it is just because some people can't see beyond the moment is not a good idea after making the first steps towards it. Delay it if it's not ready, sure, but abandon fully? Not smart.
CCP can't do it. they don't have the finances to fund three development projects at once, and incarna is actually WoD stuff. Before, it was EVE getting the short end of the stick, but that doesn't work because EVE pays the bills. Since DUST is actually close to release, it's WoD, and therefore Incarna, that get shelved until there's more money. You can't get both with CCP's finances |
Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:07:00 -
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I want WiS, however, i play this game to fly spaceships. Now, there are times we'd all like to maybe fly to Jita to dock at the "Capsuleers Center" or whatever they do with stations.
IMO, i think having 1 station per hi sec area where you can dock and go play cards and experience the WiS aspect would be sufficient. Maybe have a mocked down version for regular stations so folks can get a feel for controls. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:08:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit
you know who probably didn't like incarna?
the 20-40k players who stopped playing
seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
741
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:09:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
You're going to get 300% more WiS content in the winter expansion than you did in Incarna.
Stop being being greedy. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
13
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:11:00 -
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OP isn't correct: there is no more faith in CCP intention to implement WiS during next 8-20 months and majority of players who wanted WiS already unsubscribed and just waiting for game time to xpire while playing other games or waiting for KotOR.
Internet spaceships isn't the only entertaining pixels around. |
Tristan North
The Scope
22
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:11:00 -
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Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:12:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit you know who probably didn't like incarna? the 20-40k players who stopped playing seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it
You don't actually know why the quit though do you? It could of been: Boredom Lack of Direction and Future for EVE (FIS OR WIS) Leaving because Incarna the way it was delivered, was lame and left them wanting more Left for feeling cheated because their subs were being used for development of games they have no interest int Left for the lack of communication on the behalf of the CCP staff Left for any other reason and I'm sure that some may have left due to a combination of all of the following? certainly cannot justify your argument on numbers that you THINK are numbers that benefit your preferences |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
366
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:13:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Kudos to the unidimensional thinkers for creating a false dichotomy. To have Incarna fleshed out and delivered doesn't preclude the continuing evolution of the space combat portions of the game. In theory you may be right but in the real world CCP neglected Eve to work on a bunch of other stuff and the game suffered for it.
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Cyra Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:13:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:CCP can't do it. they don't have the finances to fund three development projects at once, and incarna is actually WoD stuff. Before, it was EVE getting the short end of the stick, but that doesn't work because EVE pays the bills. Since DUST is actually close to release, it's WoD, and therefore Incarna, that get shelved until there's more money. You can't get both with CCP's finances
Even so, the point stands. CCP themselves have admitted that it was rushed (even if it took them YEARS to accomplish it), and as such, it's raw. And me myself am too acquainted with corporate policies to hold much faith in the words of a CEO, but I still maintain that done properly, WiS will (would) be an asset to EVE, something that really adds to the universe at whole, not just a small part of it.
I'll hold judgement on whether they can do it properly or not, but I shan't hold judgement on all the doomsayers predicting the end of the world just because it's a feature they don't want. This shouldn't be an unclear stance. |
Barakkus
952
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:14:00 -
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Written Word wrote:We don't have WIS because the Carbon platform is a complete failure and they can't fix it within a remotely acceptable timetable. Nothing to do with customer outcry.
I think you missed the patch notes from last week. Carbon is more than walking around btw.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:15:00 -
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in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
20
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:16:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. so the average login per day of players is somewhere around 20-25k....remember this is down from a steady 40k to near 50-60k players online at any given time a few months ago. so at the current level of average players online, those 4k+ are still only 1/5 of the regular online population... ONE FIFTH actually, looking at the server graph, its less than 1/5 lol go figure. people swinging their weight around as if it has some merit you know who probably didn't like incarna? the 20-40k players who stopped playing seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it
all players in any game have a shelf life, new content in expansions keeps players interested, so when the content sucks balls we all know what to expect. i really think the sh*** that was incarna gave peoeple the excuse they needed, i know i know,, why would anyone need an excuse,, for some reason, people in EVE do, just look back at all the emo rage i quit posts.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:16:00 -
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Tristan North wrote:Karadion wrote:I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there. That's the definition of conformism, it's ridiculous. Cry about it. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:17:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled. I think they already know when their clients counted how many people turned off in-station environment. |
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