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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:37:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions
The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
246
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:03:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes The OP isnt counting votes, just likes (I gave you one btw) Not really setting out to count anything. Just to prove there is support for CCP to continue with some sort of WiS work in the background while working on FiS. Seemed have accomplished that quite nicely if I do say so myself! Issler Except every few posts you count how many people ARE fot WiS and who arent... Im for WiS, Im not for lying supporters of it.
I haven't counted ANY posts. And my post started out to prove there are SOME people that wanted WiS work to continue contrary to Himlars comments. I am saying even without counting this thread proves that nicely.
So get your facts straight.
Issler |
StuRyan
Assisted Homicide Legion of The Damned.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:09:00 -
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WTF is Wis
OMFG GTFO LMFAO |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:31:00 -
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The idea that CCP had infinite resources so they could work on everything all the time turned out to be false.
So they had to prioritize their resources.
Hence instead of space second life, we are getting the changes in the winter expansion. It seems the player base is very happy about it. I know I am.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
5
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:05:00 -
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If we take a peak of the upcoming features for the winter expansion, they're mainly deploying PvP focused content.
But what about the current boring mining system? It's famous because you fall asleep playing EVE that way. Or Planetary Interaction? It's like a casual minigame. And so a lot of gameplay styles.
CCP can't focus on other content that's not PvP because you guys never stop crying out loud or flooding the forums. It's healthy and constructive to complain about the NeX store or things that hurts the game, but not to every single feature that has nothing to do with PvP, even when it has not been finished.
What I cannot understand is what's the purpose of demoralizing every player that supports Incarna imposing your game style. They're just exposing their opinion of what was promised in Ambulation and what we have now (an unfinished product with no content), and they never negated or underestimated the value or priority of FiS over other features.
Come on, we fought for the same game this summer in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie, why fight each other now? |
Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League
8
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:11:00 -
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Hikaru Kuroda wrote:Come on, we fought for the same game this summer in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie, why fight each other now?
To some (though not all), the forums are yet another PVP venue?
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Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:15:00 -
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I agree we want WIS, but mostly we need too have something too do in WIS. This prison cell wont cut it.
Abandoning WIS because of some NULL whiners is not a good strategi. There isent much too do in space accept get ISK so you can pvp this also needs to change. If we want more subscribers we need more gamplay options....
1 Fix the bounty system... I have an idea that I know would work, and would activate alot of players 2 Smuggling needs to be brought back to life, let players police it. Lots of fun **** to happen there. 3 Fix Null sec, more profit compared to highsec etc etc make it worth doing 4 Drug manafacturing(boosters) need to be something you can get into easy and fast. And most of all it needs to be WORTH doing = profitabal. 5. More law and Order in highsec space.. If you shoot someone you instanly get -0,1 standings and Bounty licenced corps can shoot you anywhere ( yes even In highsec, and if they shoot back concord comes to help) 6. Pirate Null should work as highsec accept nobody safves you if you get attacked, but you cant enter it unless you have negative sec status = free heaven for PIRATES. 7. Fix fraction warfare (PLEASE)
Bottom line the game has so many unfinished fetures or broken fetures, that has piled up over the years that CCP needs to fix them before bringing in more... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:52:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit.
+1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual.
A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point.
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Jita Alt666
449
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:56:00 -
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Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:I agree we want WIS, but mostly we need too have something too do in WIS. This prison cell wont cut it.
Abandoning WIS because of some NULL whiners is not a good strategi. There isent much too do in space accept get ISK so you can pvp this also needs to change. If we want more subscribers we need more gamplay options....
1 Fix the bounty system... I have an idea that I know would work, and would activate alot of players 2 Smuggling needs to be brought back to life, let players police it. Lots of fun **** to happen there. 3 Fix Null sec, more profit compared to highsec etc etc make it worth doing 4 Drug manafacturing(boosters) need to be something you can get into easy and fast. And most of all it needs to be WORTH doing = profitabal. 5. More law and Order in highsec space.. If you shoot someone you instanly get -0,1 standings and Bounty licenced corps can shoot you anywhere ( yes even In highsec, and if they shoot back concord comes to help) 6. Pirate Null should work as highsec accept nobody safves you if you get attacked, but you cant enter it unless you have negative sec status = free heaven for PIRATES. 7. Fix fraction warfare (PLEASE)
Bottom line the game has so many unfinished fetures or broken fetures, that has piled up over the years that CCP needs to fix them before bringing in more...
Is your number 1 the same as number 5? Bounty licensing corps sounds like an interesting concept. Working it in with the current concord system would make for dynamic player content in empire.
Number 6 seems pretty silly: I'm not sure why your sec status should limit your access to space. A similar system to faction space and sec staus in empire could be introduced by dividing the sandbox up seems a bit out of context.
Agree with smuggling. Need the ability to create demand before it will take off though Agree with 0.0 buff. Agree with faction warfare
All of these can be instanced using the current FIS interfacing.
The big challenge is how to add value to concepts by utilising WIS interfacing.
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Jita Alt666
449
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:59:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit. +1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual. A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point.
hahah. That is not an attempt to pass of a false quote as factual. That is a dismissive summary of your post.
Many rational and intelligent human beings have made alterations to items other perceive as being factual. By many I mean all. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
145
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Posted - 2011.11.03 00:25:00 -
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All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.
Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:07:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.
Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone.
Yeah but the question is *how* are they going to keep it fresh? Most of us who are going to play a sci fi game are men. Denying this is just ignorant.
Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
So if they want to appeal the correct demographic they will give us more ways to blow stuff up not more ways to dress up. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
49
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:19:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes."
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
300
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:33:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes."
Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
49
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:41:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded.
Dressing up your avatar is just a start. After all, without a plausible, customized persona nothing goes, virtual reality wise. And you need immersive surroundings. Like I said: that's just where it starts. Once that door opens... oh wait, people like you sabotaged that future. Ironic, isn't it?
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:08:00 -
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before any fixes to anything Issler Dainze fix your eyes what is wrong
i don't know why you wis ppl are upset, the engine is completed wis is coming, however later rather than sooner sooner if ccp can optimize the engine later if ccp just sit on their hands and wait 3 years as cpus and graphic cards double their power for the same price
stupid incarna lovin pedestrians |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:17:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Cearain wrote: Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded.
Dressing up your avatar is just a start. After all, without a plausible, customized persona nothing goes, virtual reality wise. And you need immersive surroundings. Like I said: that's just where it starts. Once that door opens... oh wait, people like you sabotaged that future. Ironic, isn't it?
Once that door opens we would get to walk in those clothes. And look at other people and what they dressed their computer avatars in. And walk and look and walk and look some more.
Maybe we would get a catwalk to strut on.
One thing we know we won't get, are guns to shoot eachother with. No guns no swords not even light sabres. We will be lucky if we can even shove eachother. No combat at all. Dust gets all the combat.
Most people know by now that there is little sense in making a computer game without combat. The last game that I recall not having combat was myst. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:19:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit. +1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual. A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point. I find it amusing that someone who posted in this thread about people insulting others seems to be the main instigator of that very activity. Especially after posting the following:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter what you think, any anti-WiS reply or negative personal attacks against those who post support for WiS could be considered, per Forum Rules, as flaming and trolling in an attempt to derail thread and cause Flame war. As per Forum rules, that alone could be used as reason for removal of said posted replies.. All sounds very nice, keep your comments civil and all that, except:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:* You not only spam your biased opinions but you're also the loudest hypocrite posting in this thread. * -10 for lack of reading comprehension and vocabulary skills.. * Go back to school and learn reading comprehension. Twisting my statements around in an attempt to justify your self-righteous attitude is fail troll. * To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it. * They lack the mental ability to envision any of the multiple possibility's that could arise from this. * I'd love to see all of you closed minded trolls emo rage jump into the nearest Bio-Vat. * God, I'm really getting sick and tired of seeing close minded simpletons spouting garbage like 'Space Barbie' bla bla bla 'FiS' bla bla bla 'No content for 18 months' bla bla bla. So per the quote above would they be concidered 'negative personal attacks'? Well at least Phantom pegged him once for a personal attack in one of his threads, Phantom must have missed the others.
Well getting back on subject, it looks like CCP is doing what those few 'close minded simpletons' want with the winter expansion then huh. (cynicism in case you missed it) Only CCP truly knows at this stage how many accounts were reactivated after the FiS refocus announcements and we'll have to wait to see it's effect on numbers after the winter expansion is released.
Moving forward, CCP need to rethink where they were headed with WiS and make it more about fun interesting sandbox game content and less about the cash shop. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
19
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.
They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.
You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded. I sell clues, want to buy 1? Only 100 mils.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:42:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.
Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone. Nobody is against CCP expanding Eve and making more money. The problem was that they were neglecting the primary reason people play Eve to create dress-up barbie dolls attached to a ridiculous microtransaction store. Now CCP has woken up and is expanding the core gameplay of Eve and it will be more successful because of it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
146
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:09:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.
Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes." Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses. They are talking about dressing up computer avatars. You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded.
You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point.
On that note however...the ship explosions themselves could really use some work...they are rather boring. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:10:00 -
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WIS...No, The Sims is that way-----> |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:47:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Pent'nor
13
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:50:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Nobody is against CCP expanding Eve and making more money. The problem was that they were neglecting the primary reason people play Eve to create dress-up barbie dolls attached to a ridiculous microtransaction store. Now CCP has woken up and is expanding the core gameplay of Eve and it will be more successful because of it.
If the core game elements were always put first or prioritized higher, then would there be as many angry people or anti wis people? I totally understand many of their point of views and agree with some of them. The majority of the playerbase are fis players and to take their money and pump it into wis as a priority one was not the way to go about it. I think many had a problem with this and that turned them into anti-wis. Also there may not be currently enough resources to do anything with incarna, which is another point that has been brought up, so it is best to wait till the company is in better shape to try again. Another very valid point. I have no idea how incarna development works and they may actually need a largish force to get any headway on it.
However many from both sides can agree that the concept of incarna could bring in new blood, expand its playerbase, and give ccp more subs/money. The barbie comments are just a fun way to describe the junk we currently have with incarna. It could be so much more and if it is not that, but rather just a side note to fis, then incarna was a failure before it ever started. A side note wont bring in that many new players. I'm not going to dock up at a station and spend the extra load time for a side note. There must be content, things to do and the ability to feel like living in a station is just as much apart of the game as flying spaceships. There are many ideas even posted in this thread about how to do that.
Although, how do we get there? How can ccp make an incarna that does not annoy its current playerbase? The end result of a finished incarna could be a huge payoff for ccp and enrich the eve players life, however, it is a long term goal. Trying to spit out incarna as fast as possible is not the correct path. I believe the path is to keep it as a long term goal and assign resouces to it as such. Always keeping the core elements of our current eve universe as priority one, but not forgetting about incarna. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
19
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:54:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2011.11.03 05:31:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. It seems some people have missed some of the facts surrounding the whole microtransaction debacle. When the shite was hitting the fan over the Fearless newsletter regarding 'gold ammo', etc, yes for anyone who cared to look into it further they would have seen that it was just some internal CCP theorising. So that by itself meant little as to where CCP's stance was on the subject of microtransactions.
Now having said that if we look at the context of the Fearless newsletter talking about 'gold ammo', golden geese and microtransactions on many things other than clothing, etc, then view Hilmar's email, please tell me where this 'suppose' line is coming from because Hilmar stated where CCP was headed with microtransactions in EVE.
And just in case you missed the quote in Hilmar's email referencing microtransactions that should have made any EVE player more than a little concerned.
Hilmar's Email wrote:We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. One of the problems was that Hilmar clearly thought that like in other games the players in EVE would just bend over and take the addition of microtransactions and the monetizing of more aspects of the game. Maybe just maybe he might stop listening to these supposed industry experts telling him that he'd be rolling in money and show the playerbase that he actually gives a **** about the integrity of EVE the sandbox game. And not try and turn it into EVE the wanna be themepark, microtransactioned up the wahzoo game. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
19
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Posted - 2011.11.03 05:43:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. It seems some people have missed some of the facts surrounding the whole microtransaction debacle. When the shite was hitting the fan over the Fearless newsletter regarding 'gold ammo', etc, yes for anyone who cared to look into it further they would have seen that it was just some internal CCP theorising. So that by itself meant little as to where CCP's stance was on the subject of microtransactions. Now having said that if we look at the context of the Fearless newsletter talking about 'gold ammo', golden geese and microtransactions on many things other than clothing, etc, then view Hilmar's email, please tell me where this 'suppose' line is coming from because Hilmar stated where CCP was headed with microtransactions in EVE. And just in case you missed the quote in Hilmar's email referencing microtransactions that should have made any EVE player more than a little concerned. Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they?
Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't really need WiS platform to do it. So, please don't mix the 2 together. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2011.11.03 05:55:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
I haven't counted ANY posts. And my post started out to prove there are SOME people that wanted WiS work to continue contrary to Himlars comments. I am saying even without counting this thread proves that nicely.
So get your facts straight.
Issler
Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler
ah youre not lying, youre making it up. Fair enough https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2011.11.03 06:01:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. The point of WiS was it's use as a platform for microtransactions. Nah, the micro-transaction portion is "suppose" to be optional like how it is now. WiS was "suppose" to allow booster trading in hi-sec (something along those lines at least) and gambling on mini games. It seems some people have missed some of the facts surrounding the whole microtransaction debacle. When the shite was hitting the fan over the Fearless newsletter regarding 'gold ammo', etc, yes for anyone who cared to look into it further they would have seen that it was just some internal CCP theorising. So that by itself meant little as to where CCP's stance was on the subject of microtransactions. Now having said that if we look at the context of the Fearless newsletter talking about 'gold ammo', golden geese and microtransactions on many things other than clothing, etc, then view Hilmar's email, please tell me where this 'suppose' line is coming from because Hilmar stated where CCP was headed with microtransactions in EVE. And just in case you missed the quote in Hilmar's email referencing microtransactions that should have made any EVE player more than a little concerned. Yea, thats why I said 'suppose'. Anyway from what I can recall they were talking more about selling 'conveniences', such as standings or sec statues, rather then straight up over-powered gold ammo. Weren't they? Then again if they wanted to sell gold ammo in the NEX, they don't need WiS platform to do it. There is no reason to load WiS just to use the NEX. So, please don't mix the 2 together. Unfortunately they are not as separate as you say, because CCP poluted WiS with the inclusion of microtransactions and this has given the pro-FiS players even more reason to despise anything involving WiS. Cash shop 'creep' has been seen in other games and with where CCP was headed with microtransactions the pro-FiS'ers were right to believe that it wouldn't be long before space aspects of the game had microtransactions attached to them. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2011.11.03 06:15:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
I haven't counted ANY posts. And my post started out to prove there are SOME people that wanted WiS work to continue contrary to Himlars comments. I am saying even without counting this thread proves that nicely.
So get your facts straight.
Issler
Issler Dainze wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.
Just in case you were counting votes apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry. If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point. Issler ah youre not lying, youre making it up. Fair enough
I never "counted" anything. That was the number the forum provided for "likes". I quoted it. Others have counted stuff. In fact others pointed out some likes were not in favor of WiS. Doesn't matter because enough were from some WiS development to continue.
All I intended to convey to CCP was Hilmar's implication in his interview was wrong, Everyone in Eve did not hate WiS and only want FiS. That many folks wanted some WiS development to continue and not be "put on ice".
The responses in this thread proved that beyond my expectations and no counting is required to make my case.
I mostly try and ignore your responses as they are clearly trolling but you provided a legitimate reason for a bump! Keep 'm cumin'!
Issler
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