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Specialist Nova
Rapture Labs And Research Order of the Void
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:02:00 -
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Hello,
So im looking at getting into research/invention/copying with a POS
whats the best medium tower setup.
well, and whats the best med tower for it?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:55:00 -
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Most people recommend Caldari, due to the high CPU being able to support more labs.
Other than that, cram it with labs and advanced labs to give yourself the slot layout you want.
Consider manufacturing arrays to use up any spare CPU. Also consider anchoring some hardeners, but leaving them offline till your get wardeced Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:32:00 -
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There's no need to "cram" it with research labs, depending on how many characters you're going to be doing things with. 4 labs (2 advanced, 2 ordinary) can use up all available skill slots for 2 characters, assuming you're doing a bit of ME/PE, some copying and some invention simultaneously.
Don't bother with hardeners, depending on situation. If you get wardecced, just use the 24 hour period to take everything down and go and do something else. |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:40:00 -
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Specialist Nova wrote:Hello,
So im looking at getting into research/invention/copying with a POS
whats the best medium tower setup.
well, and whats the best med tower for it?
Medium is a bit much in my opinion unless you have more than 3 characters needing to research/invent. The goal on a research POS is to make more money from your blueprints than you spend on fuel, and it's hard to justify large operations or additional structures unless you have lots of people to contribute.
I run a small caldari tower in high sec, and that keeps my three research toons busy full time (together they can manage up to 29 jobs).
My labs are distributed into two mobile labs and one advanced lab. That gives me 12 invention slots, 5 copy slots, 8 material research slots, and 6 for time efficiency. Overall it works well for my needs. I also keep an ammunition assembly array online for making fuel blocks or ammo as needed, since there is no other manufacturing available anywhere near my POS.
If you need to focus more on research, you can spring for the Hyasyoda labs, but that may make you a more tempting target. If you are doing reverse engineering, substitute a couple of experimental labs.
I used http://eve.1019.net/pos/index.php to help me decide the initial arrangement, and I do not waste money on defenses. If somebody war decs me, all my BPOs are in a station, and I can take down my station in a few minutes to keep it safe. If you deploy in an area of space far from a trade hub (more than 4 jumps away), there's going to be lots of free moons, and nobody will war dec just to take your moon. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1609
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:43:00 -
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The main downside to the 'I'll just tear it down' is that some people depend on that. And will sit there, waiting for you to offline, then unanchor the tower. Bumping you away from it, and taking it themselves. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Specialist Nova
Rapture Labs And Research Order of the Void
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:46:00 -
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Gianath wrote:Specialist Nova wrote:Hello,
So im looking at getting into research/invention/copying with a POS
whats the best medium tower setup.
well, and whats the best med tower for it?
Medium is a bit much in my opinion unless you have more than 3 characters needing to research/invent. The goal on a research POS is to make more money from your blueprints than you spend on fuel, and it's hard to justify large operations or additional structures unless you have lots of people to contribute. I run a small caldari tower in high sec, and that keeps my three research toons busy full time (together they can manage up to 29 jobs). My labs are distributed into two mobile labs and one advanced lab. That gives me 12 invention slots, 5 copy slots, 8 material research slots, and 6 for time efficiency. Overall it works well for my needs. I also keep an ammunition assembly array online for making fuel blocks or ammo as needed, since there is no other manufacturing available anywhere near my POS. If you need to focus more on research, you can spring for the Hyasyoda labs, but that may make you a more tempting target. If you are doing reverse engineering, substitute a couple of experimental labs. I used http://eve.1019.net/pos/index.php to help me decide the initial arrangement, and I do not waste money on defenses. If somebody war decs me, all my BPOs are in a station, and I can take down my station in a few minutes to keep it safe. If you deploy in an area of space far from a trade hub (more than 4 jumps away), there's going to be lots of free moons, and nobody will war dec just to take your moon.
i only have 3 toons to do it and was leaning towards a small pos because i have a few, not many ME jobs left, alot of copying |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:05:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:The main downside to the 'I'll just tear it down' is that some people depend on that. And will sit there, waiting for you to offline, then unanchor the tower. Bumping you away from it, and taking it themselves.
I am sure there's people that have done that, but it is not very practical for them to hang around my POS for 24 hours to try to scoop my recently offlined my tower.... they will spend on average more for their war decs than they will get back on the tower. Besides that, if I see people loitering around my POS while I am taking things down, I will just fly in my other toons to stop them.
It's not a realistic problem most high sec researchers will face unless you really pissed a griefer corp off. |
Specialist Nova
Rapture Labs And Research Order of the Void
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:36:00 -
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Gianath wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The main downside to the 'I'll just tear it down' is that some people depend on that. And will sit there, waiting for you to offline, then unanchor the tower. Bumping you away from it, and taking it themselves. I am sure there's people that have done that, but it is not very practical for them to hang around my POS for 24 hours to try to scoop my recently offlined my tower.... they will spend on average more for their war decs than they will get back on the tower. Besides that, if I see people loitering around my POS while I am taking things down, I will just fly in my other toons to stop them. It's not a realistic problem most high sec researchers will face unless you really pissed a griefer corp off.
My set up and operations are quiet, and i try to stay under the radar.
But yes griefer corps are always there |
Jonny Monroe
Unlicensed Medical Professionals
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:46:00 -
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My question is relevant to this thread so I'll put it here:
I'm setting up a high-sec POS for my small corp (me and my friends). There's about 4 of us using the POS and we want some shared storage space and ship maintenance (our home system doesn't have a repair capable station). We also have between us 2 characters doing research and 3 doing manufacturing.
What size and race Tower is recommended? We can afford to run large if we need to. |
Cap James Tkirk
Soldiers of Farscape Synthetic Systems
107
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:49:00 -
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Jonny Monroe wrote:My question is relevant to this thread so I'll put it here:
I'm setting up a high-sec POS for my small corp (me and my friends). There's about 4 of us using the POS and we want some shared storage space and ship maintenance (our home system doesn't have a repair capable station). We also have between us 2 characters doing research and 3 doing manufacturing.
What size and race Tower is recommended? We can afford to run large if we need to.
a medium would do but you shouldnt keep anything shiney in it at all,
also make sure you have a system with a station so you can lock down bpos and do research with SNW 1
for manufacturing you shouldnt really need a POS in HS for that stations have plenty of slots unless your just looking to fill up space then thats ok i guess |
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Jonny Monroe
Unlicensed Medical Professionals
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:10:00 -
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Cap James Tkirk wrote:Jonny Monroe wrote:My question is relevant to this thread so I'll put it here:
I'm setting up a high-sec POS for my small corp (me and my friends). There's about 4 of us using the POS and we want some shared storage space and ship maintenance (our home system doesn't have a repair capable station). We also have between us 2 characters doing research and 3 doing manufacturing.
What size and race Tower is recommended? We can afford to run large if we need to. a medium would do but you shouldnt keep anything shiney in it at all, also make sure you have a system with a station so you can lock down bpos and do research with SNW 1 for manufacturing you shouldnt really need a POS in HS for that stations have plenty of slots unless your just looking to fill up space then thats ok i guess
The shared stuff is mostly for ease of moving things between characters. Modules to the trade skills character, ore to the refining skills character, minerals to the manufacturing characters, PI goods, etc.
We also have a couple of ships we want the corp to have access to. Just generic things like a cov-ops exploration boat, a noctis and a few mining barges for whoever draws the short straw on those jobs for the day.
BPOs are in a nearby station.
We may also be interested in frigate and cruiser sized ship manufacturing.
Can we fit all that in a Medium or should we go large? |
Cap James Tkirk
Soldiers of Farscape Synthetic Systems
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:15:00 -
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if you can make full use of a large and all the slots its worth it for sure also remember we now have Personal Hangar Arrays so that should take care of mods etc
its 500m plus a month for a large i dont have one up and havent for a while but i assume its higher now
if you can use all slots and make enough isk to offset the cost with profit it is worth the large if not go medium and expand as you need |
Jonny Monroe
Unlicensed Medical Professionals
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:20:00 -
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Cap James Tkirk wrote:if you can make full use of a large and all the slots its worth it for sure also remember we now have Personal Hangar Arrays so that should take care of mods etc
its 500m plus a month for a large i dont have one up and havent for a while but i assume its higher now
if you can use all slots and make enough isk to offset the cost with profit it is worth the large if not go medium and expand as you need
It's 3 full manufacturing characters and 2 full research characters. I honestly don't know if that's enough to 'make full use of a large'. Up until now I've just been doing manufacture and research on a personal level whenever I could get slots for it in high sec. the running cost is offset by some null-sec PI we're running, so it's only really the cost of ice to pay. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:58:00 -
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Jonny Monroe wrote:Cap James Tkirk wrote:if you can make full use of a large and all the slots its worth it for sure also remember we now have Personal Hangar Arrays so that should take care of mods etc
its 500m plus a month for a large i dont have one up and havent for a while but i assume its higher now
if you can use all slots and make enough isk to offset the cost with profit it is worth the large if not go medium and expand as you need It's 3 full manufacturing characters and 2 full research characters. I honestly don't know if that's enough to 'make full use of a large'. Up until now I've just been doing manufacture and research on a personal level whenever I could get slots for it in high sec. the running cost is offset by some null-sec PI we're running, so it's only really the cost of ice to pay.
You're mostly using it for the research, as you can do build very cheaply in empire and there are usually lots of slots available. A large needs 3 full character minimum to get full use. Possibly 4 if you pimp it out with labs.
Here's some advice:
If this is the first time you've done it, start with a small. No, really... it allows you to hone your business plan. You'll probably decide a medium is all you really need with 2 chars. You can sell the small and you haven't burned too much fuel in the meantime. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:50:00 -
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Cap James Tkirk wrote:its 500m plus a month for a large i dont have one up and havent for a while but i assume its higher now I re-fueled one of my large towers just a few days ago. I checked the market out of curiosity (I stockpiled a year of fuel blocks) and it was around 380m for a full load (27,960 blocks = 29d 3h) from Jita sell orders. I build my own fuel from purchased materials, which is also slightly cheaper than that.
Looking at EVE-Central, it shows 16,695.99 in Jita for a Caldari Fuel Block, which works out to 411m for a large tower full load. Not including charters of course (their cost is insignificant).
So I think your "500m plus" estimate for a larger tower is off, and deals can certainly be found. |
Cap James Tkirk
Soldiers of Farscape Synthetic Systems
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:55:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Cap James Tkirk wrote:its 500m plus a month for a large i dont have one up and havent for a while but i assume its higher now I re-fueled one of my large towers just a few days ago. I checked the market out of curiosity (I stockpiled a year of fuel blocks) and it was around 380m for a full load (27,960 blocks = 29d 3h) from Jita sell orders. I build my own fuel from purchased materials, which is also slightly cheaper than that. Looking at EVE-Central, it shows 16,695.99 in Jita for a Caldari Fuel Block, which works out to 411m for a large tower full load. Not including charters of course (their cost is insignificant). So I think your "500m plus" estimate for a larger tower is off, and deals can certainly be found.
could be i havent had a tower up in a very long time thanks Tau |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1609
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:21:00 -
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https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/0/4051/40/5/0/5
about 539k per 40 blocks. 720 runs of 40 blocks per 30 days. 388 million, per 30 days. That's tying up a single POS production line for around 20 hours or so. And you can make them in component arrays. which are a good thing to use for storage, as they're massive, with low fitting requirements. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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