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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:21:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote: Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder.
Just come back in with a Noctis for clean-up after the fact.
Looting with both Salvagers and Salvage Drones...............takes maybe 4 minutes per pocket. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:21:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Just to clarify,
my adice to new players not to salvage is BEFORE level 4 missions. The loot and gear is cheap crap and not worth picking up. If you happen to be close to a wreck while running the mission and killing other stuff, fine go ahead and loot it, but don't spend time looting or salvaging after you have killed the last rat or completed your mission objective.
Once you are running level 4 missions, the loot and salvage is a great way to gain additional isk.
Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder. Another mis-informed and possible troll.
can you elaborate? Details matter. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:23:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote: Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder.
Just come back in with a Noctis for clean-up after the fact. Looting with both Salvagers and Salvage Drones...............takes maybe 4 minutes per pocket. I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point? |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
32
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:24:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq.. What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us. Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day.
Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one.
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cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:30:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq.. What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us. Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day. Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one.
Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
18762
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:30:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:[ I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point?
You have not.
And I'm talking about Salvaging.
And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:33:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq.. What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us. Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day. Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one. Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!!
You're also forgetting mining in missions.
When each load of even veldspar = 3.7 million ISK, and you have m-a-n-y loads.
A level 2 mission I was on had over 6,000,000 veldspar alone. The missions with even better ore, you're pulling in over 40mil.
So if you're just want to get faction standing up quick, yeah blitz. But for making ISK, there's plenty of ways even in missions to walk way with over 40 million ISK, and they're not level 4s. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:[ I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point? You have not. And I'm talking about Salvaging. And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now.
oh but I have several times. There are missions that require very little time to complete, The Anomaly 2 of 3, the quafe mission, etc etc....
and thanks for being helpful by name calling, very mature. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:37:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq.. What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us. Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day. Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one. Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!! You're also forgetting mining in missions. When each load of even veldspar = 3.7 million ISK, and you have m-a-n-y loads. A level 2 mission I was on had over 6,000,000 veldspar alone. The missions with even better ore, you're pulling in over 40mil. So if you're just want to get faction standing up quick, yeah blitz. But for making ISK, there's plenty of ways even in missions to walk way with over 40 million ISK, and they're not level 4s.
no mining can outperform Dread Pirate Scarlet, this mission is an ISK machine!
but shoot rocks if it makes you happy, not because it makes ISK.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:37:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:[ I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point? You have not. And I'm talking about Salvaging. And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now. oh but I have several times. There are missions that require very little time to complete, The Anomaly 2 of 3, the quafe mission, etc etc.... and thanks for being helpful by name calling, very mature.
It's a solo guide about making ISK, not blitzing missions for standings. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:39:00 -
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My advice for a newbie looking to make isk is train astrometrics to like 4 and salvage to like 3 and then go to a system with a level 3/4 security agent and scan down all the missions done by people who follow the above guide and salvage everything. It takes like less than a week to train and you don't need to grind standings or play for hours or nothing.
You're welcome. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:39:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:[ I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point? You have not. And I'm talking about Salvaging. And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now. oh but I have several times. There are missions that require very little time to complete, The Anomaly 2 of 3, the quafe mission, etc etc.... and thanks for being helpful by name calling, very mature. It's a solo guide about making ISK, not blitzing missions for standings.
greater standings = more potential to make more ISK. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:41:00 -
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Chinwe Rhei wrote:My advice for a newbie looking to make isk is train astrometrics to like 4 and salvage to like 3 and then go to a system with a level 3/4 security agent and scan down all the missions done by people who follow the above guide and salvage everything. It takes like less than a week to train and you don't need to grind standings or play for hours or nothing.
You're welcome.
It's risky and unpredictable but yes a good way also to quickly earn ISK. Thanks! You will most likely pay with a bounty eventually or have your ship ganked but that is what you are willing to risk for speed. |
Gwenywell Shumuku
81
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:51:00 -
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1. To get to lvl 4 missions the guide is correct, don't loot/salvage, blitz missions and do them as fast as possible. You need standing, thats the ONLY goal.
2. there is a simple rule for looting: doing missons fast = loot is less valuable
i can prove this acutally, but i won't show you mission-names (you can figure that out for yourself):
This is a nightmare faction fit + noctis mission table. You can see that most lvl4 missions are not worth looting, and quite a few are worth blitzing.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47230747/Missions.png |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:52:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:no mining can outperform Dread Pirate Scarlet, this mission is an ISK machine!
but shoot rocks if it makes you happy, not because it makes ISK.
And no one leveling to get into a battleship (quick) is going to survive it.
To use a battleship you need all the necessary skills or waste about 300 million ISK each time your ship is blown up (why folks will consider you a troll too).
Skill training takes time, and there's no way to get around it.
Which is why so many stay at level 3s if doing security runs, until they get those skills (or run level 4 distribution missions).
So if you're going to have to wait, make some ISK. Their standings will be 6.67+ (if they trained the social skills) before they get to level 4s, and can have all the salvage ready to make whatever they need...ammo, modules, weapons and buying more skill books. Pure profit, zero loss and their skills be leveled well to then just blitz level 4s.
I make more ISK just mining in missions than the missions itself offers (you're not going to get escalated missions -- that drop officer loot -- every run anyway). Gotten the standings to refine with zero tax and can built with zero tax. Now can refine it perfectly. So bulk ore that I got now is worth a mint if I sold it. Or I can turn it around and build battleships by the 10s (I have a lot of ore).
You can keep your occasional officer drops, I can mission and mine and make more money, and if I need the officer drops I can go get them latter too. Even MORE ISK! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Gwenywell Shumuku
81
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:55:00 -
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double post |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:58:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:cyndrogen wrote:no mining can outperform Dread Pirate Scarlet, this mission is an ISK machine!
but shoot rocks if it makes you happy, not because it makes ISK.
And no one leveling to get into a battleship (quick) is going to survive it. To use a battleship you need all the necessary skills or waste about 300 million ISK each time your ship is blown up (why folks will consider you a troll too). Skill training takes time, and there's no way to get around it. Which is why so many stay at level 3s if doing security runs, until they get those skills (or run level 4 distribution missions). So if you're going to have to wait, make some ISK. Their standings will be 6.67+ (if they trained the social skills) before they get to level 4s, and can have all the salvage ready to make whatever they need...ammo, modules, weapons and buying more skill books. Pure profit, zero loss and their skills be leveled well to then just blitz level 4s. I make more ISK just mining in missions than the missions itself offers (you're not going to get escalated missions -- that drop officer loot -- every run anyway). Gotten the standings to refine with zero tax and can built with zero tax. Now can refine it perfectly. So bulk ore that I got now is worth a mint if I sold it. Or I can turn it around and build battleships by the 10s (I have a lot of ore). You can keep your occasional officer drops, I can mission and mine and make more money, and if I need the officer drops I can go get them latter too. Even MORE ISK!
Challenge accepted. First you are not wasting 300 million, it is an investment and having assets is more valuable then ISK. ISK is not wealth, it is simply a CLAIM on wealth. The goods you purchase with ISK are the real wealth. When I bought my Navy Scorpion I paid 280 million, guess how much it's worth today. If I had kept that 280 million my ISK would be worth less.
If you let your ISK sit around in your wallet the inflation monster will grind it away. Wealth = what you own, not how much isk you have.
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Jonny Monroe
Unlicensed Medical Professionals
16
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:01:00 -
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quicker training: train a sniper fit BS and get a microjump. Skip all tank and go full DPS. Kill everything in seconds. Bonus points for sentry drones to save on ammo costs. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:02:00 -
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Jonny Monroe wrote:quicker training: train a sniper fit BS and get a microjump. Skip all tank and go full DPS. Kill everything in seconds. Bonus points for sentry drones to save on ammo costs.
Please link your best fit!!! I like it! |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:10:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:greater standings = more potential to make more ISK.
Which you can do faster if you bother to level the social skills, too.
To be a mission runner you have to have all the necessary skills to run them. Just like in incursions, PvEing takes more skills and more advanced skills. Skills that takes a good l-o-n-g time to train.
The fault here is, you're making a guide for players who already are leveled.
If they don't know how to make ISK by doing missions by now, they don't mission!
Which leaves the guide for newbies, and giving advice about running level 4s ASAP is how they'll get frustrated and leave the game, when their new shiny battleship they can so easily get into, is destroyed at 170 million ISK a piece. Why? Because they didn't have the necessary side skills to stay afloat.
This isn't PvP. PvE takes longer to train into. When a player can blitz through level 4s he will have more skills trained than a lot of PvP players, just to survive them. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:11:00 -
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Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:1. To get to lvl 4 missions the guide is correct, don't loot/salvage, blitz missions and do them as fast as possible. You need standing, thats the ONLY goal. 2. there is a simple rule for looting: doing missons fast = loot is less valuable i can prove this acutally, but i won't show you mission-names (you can figure that out for yourself): This is a nightmare faction fit + noctis mission table. You can see that most lvl4 missions are not worth looting, and quite a few are worth blitzing. Oh, btw, before you get watery eyes, this is near the top end of missioning, regular lvl4 missioning gives less ISK. Hardcore missioning means to ONLY do the best missions out of the list and ignore all the others (high faction standing needed). https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47230747/Missions.pngEDIT: just to be clear, all value is included, LPs (1/1000), loot - % for time selling/transport, so yea, its a complete picture.
You know I'm not so sure about the TOP end paying better and skipping the lower ones. The lower, easier level 4 missions are also quicker then running Dread Pirate Scarlet, I can do about 4 to 5 low level missions and the LP is about the same when you add them up per minute. The other bonus of doing the easier level 4's is you get to 16 missions much faster then trying to grind the harder level 4's.
On average, Dread Pirate Scarlet, Angel Extravaganza etc can take up to 45 minutes (35/45) to complete and you earn 5000 LP roughly. If I complete 4 easier missions in under 8 minutes I can actually earn more LP, even though the bounties are less, but it opens up story line missions faster, which pay out even better rewards.
So, if I can do more story line missions in a single day I can actually make more. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:18:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:cyndrogen wrote:greater standings = more potential to make more ISK. Which you can do faster if you bother to level the social skills, too. To be a mission runner you have to have all the necessary skills to run them. Just like in incursions, PvEing takes more skills and more advanced skills. Skills that takes a good l-o-n-g time to train. The fault here is, you're making a guide for players who already are leveled. If they don't know how to make ISK by doing missions by now, they don't mission!Which leaves the guide for newbies, and giving advice about running level 4s ASAP is how they'll get frustrated and leave the game, when their new shiny battleship they can so easily get into, is destroyed at 170 million ISK a piece. Why? Because they didn't have the necessary side skills to stay afloat.This isn't PvP. PvE takes longer to train into. When a player can blitz through level 4s he will have more skills trained than a lot of PvP players, just to survive them.
Makes me wonder if more noobs should pair up with lv4 mission runners who dont salvage. hmmm Someone posted earlier that it is much faster to train for scanning and salvage, which I completely agree with although they may encounter resistance.
I typically do not salvage all my level 4 missions, only the meaty ones. So maybe having noobs cleaning up in a noctis is a better way to earn ISK....
Good points. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:19:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Challenge accepted. First you are not wasting 300 million, it is an investment and having assets is more valuable then ISK.
ISK is not wealth, it is simply a CLAIM on wealth. The goods you purchase with ISK are the real wealth. When I bought my Navy Scorpion I paid 280 million, guess how much it's worth today. If I had kept that 280 million my ISK would be worth less.
If you let your ISK sit around in your wallet the inflation monster will grind it away. Wealth = what you own, not how much isk you have.
That's trolling.
Honey, the assets I'm kept for years have only increased it's value. The assets I have are BPOs, and some well researched BPOs at that.
So go ahead and think that battleship is worth something. My ore can make them by the 10s.
All that I salvaged can make those modules selling for 40 million a piece (and how much did you get for your chance officer loot again? 120 or make 250 million at that?).
Making ISK is planning your future. And you can be but a mission runner that skims the top, but the mission runner who plays wisely will come out with billions of ISK. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:35:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Challenge accepted. First you are not wasting 300 million, it is an investment and having assets is more valuable then ISK.
ISK is not wealth, it is simply a CLAIM on wealth. The goods you purchase with ISK are the real wealth. When I bought my Navy Scorpion I paid 280 million, guess how much it's worth today. If I had kept that 280 million my ISK would be worth less.
If you let your ISK sit around in your wallet the inflation monster will grind it away. Wealth = what you own, not how much isk you have.
That's trolling. Honey, the assets I'm kept for years have only increased it's value. The assets I have are BPOs, and some well researched BPOs at that. So go ahead and think that battleship is worth something. My ore can make them by the 10s. All that I salvaged can make those modules selling for 40 million a piece (and how much did you get for your chance officer loot again? 120 or make 250 million at that?). Making ISK is planning your future. And you can be but a mission runner that skims the top, but the mission runner who plays wisely will come out with billions of ISK.
BPO's ahhh the BPO debate. How many ships can you actually manufacture per day? How much time did it take to research the BPO? How many BPO can you run simultaneously per day and how many BPO sit idle in your hanger while the other your ships are being manufactured? There is a max number of BPO + minerals you can use per day. It has a pre built limit.
You see even with a BPO that is well researched you still need those minerals to make the ships, so yes you can manufacture your own ships but there is still a cost in terms of time. You would be much better off buying a BPC from the market that someone else researched, I mean how many battleships can you actually manufacture by yourself? 1 maybe two a week? I can make over a billion running missions in two weeks, and I know exactly when I will reach that goal because I am not dependent on the market or someone else.
By the time you actually pay off that expensive BPO and start making money from it, years pass.
BPC , especially if youre a noob manufacture player,is the only way to make ISK. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
18778
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:52:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:[ I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point? You have not. And I'm talking about Salvaging. And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now. oh but I have several times. There are missions that require very little time to complete, The Anomaly 2 of 3, the quafe mission, etc etc.... and thanks for being helpful by name calling, very mature. It's a solo guide about making ISK, not blitzing missions for standings. greater standings = more potential to make more ISK.
Nope. Maybe better refining yield, but that's about it.
Just stop posting. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
18778
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:54:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote: The other bonus of doing the easier level 4's is you get to 16 missions much faster then trying to grind the harder level 4's.
If that's your goal, simply run a bunch of Distribution Missions.
Please, for God's sake, stop posting. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
18780
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:56:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:
By the time you actually pay off that expensive BPO and start making money from it, years pass.
There is not a time I have not made back the cost of a BPO on the first manufacturing run. And made with the BPO, not copies.
Please, again, just stop posting, for you know not what you say. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:03:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:
By the time you actually pay off that expensive BPO and start making money from it, years pass.
There is not a time I have not made back the cost of a BPO on the first manufacturing run. And made with the BPO, not copies. Please, again, just stop posting, for you know not what you say.
Hush child the adults are speaking. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2517
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:11:00 -
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Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:1. To get to lvl 4 missions the guide is correct, don't loot/salvage, blitz missions and do them as fast as possible. You need standing, thats the ONLY goal. 2. there is a simple rule for looting: doing missons fast = loot is less valuable i can prove this acutally, but i won't show you mission-names (you can figure that out for yourself): This is a nightmare faction fit + noctis mission table. You can see that most lvl4 missions are not worth looting, and quite a few are worth blitzing. Oh, btw, before you get watery eyes, this is near the top end of missioning, regular lvl4 missioning gives less ISK. Hardcore missioning means to ONLY do the best missions out of the list and ignore all the others (high faction standing needed). https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47230747/Missions.pngEDIT: just to be clear, all value is included, LPs (1/1000), loot - % for time selling/transport, so yea, its a complete picture.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
372
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:18:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:BPO's ahhh the BPO debate. How many ships can you actually manufacture per day? How much time did it take to research the BPO? How many BPO can you run simultaneously per day and how many BPO sit idle in your hanger while the other your ships are being manufactured? There is a max number of BPO + minerals you can use per day. It has a pre built limit.
You see even with a BPO that is well researched you still need those minerals to make the ships, so yes you can manufacture your own ships but there is still a cost in terms of time. You would be much better off buying a BPC from the market that someone else researched, I mean how many battleships can you actually manufacture by yourself? 1 maybe two a week? I can make over a billion running missions in two weeks, and I know exactly when I will reach that goal because I am not dependent on the market or someone else.
By the time you actually pay off that expensive BPO and start making money from it, years pass.
BPC , especially if youre a noob manufacture player,is the only way to make ISK.
You're not getting it, and it'll be too long to explain it to you, but this: skimming off the top mission running is what PvP types do, okay? Those who dedicate the time to manufacture and/or Research take the advantage of them for all it delivers. This includes everything it offers, be it ore and/or salvage.
Nothing goes to waste. We salvage. We refine + reprocess otherwise useless items. Then use them to build. You will buy what we build, and that how we make our ISK...by the billions...via mission running.
But to get there, takes a lot of time. A lot of skills (skills that you don't even mention that a mission runner has to skill into -- like Social/Connections/Negotiation/Security Connections, etc, etc.). Heck, you can get better advice at Battleclinic on PvE mission builds!
All we're stating is, there's more to missioning than skimming the top just for ISK and LP. If you don't want to invest time in other "careers" fine, but how about showing a solo player all that missioning offers and it's ISK potential? We don't have salvage ships for nothing, either. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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