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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:26:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:
By the time you actually pay off that expensive BPO and start making money from it, years pass.
There is not a time I have not made back the cost of a BPO on the first manufacturing run. And made with the BPO, not copies. Please, again, just stop posting, for you know not what you say. Hush child the adults are speaking.
It's true. You don't buy BPOs to waste on buying copies. You buy them and research them to sell copies to folks like you. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sarmatiko
1254
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:29:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:caracal (HM) / drake(HM) / scorpion(cruise) / raven(cruise) LOLWUT? OP trying to create new darwins in this game? Also what others have already said: Dominix is currently king of mission running in terms of cost/effectiveness. 800 eft dps from Garde II on 85-99km optimal is not a joke. I'm not familiar with Domi, but thanks for the tip!!! Please feel free to add fitting suggestion as well since my guide is biased toward Caldari.
I don't even considering that first post as useful "guide". Did you actually flew that Scorpion in PVE? If yes, can you post your fit, just for laughs? And no, you don't have any experience in Caldari, because you can't even read through ship bonuses.
Ace Uoweme wrote:She did say she was Caldari (does anyone read anything on this forum?). Because character race prevents you to crosstrain something more effective and newbie friendly than Caldari. Oh wait.. -¥ |
Jonny Monroe
Unlicensed Medical Professionals
16
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:49:00 -
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If I have to slowboat 30km to a gate in a dominix (Hi, Worlds Collide), then why wouldn't I salvage drone the large wrecks while I'm waiting? |
Gwenywell Shumuku
82
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:14:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:1. To get to lvl 4 missions the guide is correct, don't loot/salvage, blitz missions and do them as fast as possible. You need standing, thats the ONLY goal. 2. there is a simple rule for looting: doing missons fast = loot is less valuable i can prove this acutally, but i won't show you mission-names (you can figure that out for yourself): This is a nightmare faction fit + noctis mission table. You can see that most lvl4 missions are not worth looting, and quite a few are worth blitzing. Oh, btw, before you get watery eyes, this is near the top end of missioning, regular lvl4 missioning gives less ISK. Hardcore missioning means to ONLY do the best missions out of the list and ignore all the others (high faction standing needed). https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47230747/Missions.pngEDIT: just to be clear, all value is included, LPs (1/1000), loot - % for time selling/transport, so yea, its a complete picture. You know I'm not so sure about the TOP end paying better and skipping the lower ones. The lower, easier level 4 missions are also quicker then running Dread Pirate Scarlet, I can do about 4 to 5 low level missions and the LP is about the same when you add them up per minute. The other bonus of doing the easier level 4's is you get to 16 missions much faster then trying to grind the harder level 4's.
look at the table, its all in there. the mission/h (hour) is the number you are looking for, thats the criteria for "best mission", doesn't really matter if the mission itself gets done fast or slow, time is already in that calculation.
Btw, Dread Pirate Scarlet (blitz/loot) IS STILL the best mission in game, its the most efficient one for isk/hour, and also on of the highest "per mission" mission. Even not blitzing the mission still gives a great isk/hour ratio. A lot of small missions are in there too for high isk/hour payout. |
Gwenywell Shumuku
82
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:27:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:1. To get to lvl 4 missions the guide is correct, don't loot/salvage, blitz missions and do them as fast as possible. You need standing, thats the ONLY goal. 2. there is a simple rule for looting: doing missons fast = loot is less valuable i can prove this acutally, but i won't show you mission-names (you can figure that out for yourself): This is a nightmare faction fit + noctis mission table. You can see that most lvl4 missions are not worth looting, and quite a few are worth blitzing. Oh, btw, before you get watery eyes, this is near the top end of missioning, regular lvl4 missioning gives less ISK. Hardcore missioning means to ONLY do the best missions out of the list and ignore all the others (high faction standing needed). https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47230747/Missions.pngEDIT: just to be clear, all value is included, LPs (1/1000), loot - % for time selling/transport, so yea, its a complete picture. Did you left the mission names out so we just trust you that your numbers are right?
No, i left them OUT because i'm not doing the WORK for you ;) You want them (with background numbers included), you pay me ;) |
Celestial Starfire
Starfire Corps
0
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:47:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:DO NOT SALVAGE!!!
Do not train for salvage, or other activites that will slow down your progress and cost you ISK. Invest in a clear path that is PVP oriented and you will have no trouble making ISK.
that's BS Train salvage drones and have one salvaging while you Fight, that adds 1m per hour mining up to 20+ mill per hour while doing lvl 4s 1 less attack drone won't hurt
Also do all the schools for your race, they will be 3 in different system, look them up fly to them and do them each time even tho they are the same for more faction points, then do the data center missions (buy tags out of jita before you do - google for why) then do the comso missions for your race (take a battle cruiser), you will gain faster faction point in that order |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
172
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:47:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:
By the time you actually pay off that expensive BPO and start making money from it, years pass.
There is not a time I have not made back the cost of a BPO on the first manufacturing run. And made with the BPO, not copies. Please, again, just stop posting, for you know not what you say. Hush child the adults are speaking. It's true. You don't buy BPOs to waste on buying copies. You buy them and research them to sell copies to folks like you.
BPO make sense if you are going to manufacture that item over and over, heck even researching it and making copies and selling copies all make sense again. Copies especially make sense because they allow multiple runs for the same BPO.
Now if you are planning on making ONE or even three of the same ships, the bpo is a huge ISK sink. The Raven bpo is over a billion on the market, so anyone telling me that they make that money back after ONE manufacture run is well just terrible at math. A BPC copy is super cheap and sometimes, depending on the contract, includes multiple copies. You make more money by paying less for the BPC, however if you mass manufacture an item then yes BPO would be better. It all depends on how you choose to play.
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cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
172
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:49:00 -
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Celestial Starfire wrote:cyndrogen wrote:DO NOT SALVAGE!!!
Do not train for salvage, or other activites that will slow down your progress and cost you ISK. Invest in a clear path that is PVP oriented and you will have no trouble making ISK.
that's BS Train salvage drones and have one salvaging while you Fight, that adds 1m per hour mining up to 20+ mill per hour while doing lvl 4s 1 less attack drone won't hurt Also do all the schools for your race, they will be 3 in different system, look them up fly to them and do them each time even tho they are the same for more faction points, then do the data center missions (buy tags out of jita before you do - google for why) then do the comso missions for your race (take a battle cruiser), you will gain faster faction point in that order
It totally makes sense on level four missions, that is the goal. Read my post again. |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
82
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:54:00 -
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Sex Slave Girl wrote:Play gallente with sentry drones. Saves you tons of ammo.
Gallente are like the French of the eve world.
No thanks.
(no offense to any of our frenchie eve players ) |
Celestial Starfire
Starfire Corps
0
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:13:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:
BPO's ahhh the BPO debate. How many ships can you actually manufacture per day? How much time did it take to research the BPO? How many BPO can you run simultaneously per day and how many BPO sit idle in your hanger while the other your ships are being manufactured? There is a max number of BPO + minerals you can use per day. It has a pre built limit.
You see even with a BPO that is well researched you still need those minerals to make the ships, so yes you can manufacture your own ships but there is still a cost in terms of time. You would be much better off buying a BPC from the market that someone else researched, I mean how many battleships can you actually manufacture by yourself? 1 maybe two a week? I can make over a billion running missions in two weeks, and I know exactly when I will reach that goal because I am not dependent on the market or someone else.
By the time you actually pay off that expensive BPO and start making money from it, years pass.
BPC , especially if youre a noob manufacture player,is the only way to make ISK.
this is true, with my 3 mining toons mining 4-6 hours a day (more on the weekends) and my main trading or doing lvl 4s for spice I make 40-60+ Battle ships a month (1-2 a day) I can attest that every BS I make is from a BPC, the BPOs are not worth it, one BPO would need 1000+ built BSs to make that cash back in a year+, a return on a billion per BPO is to long when that cash can make ISK faster on market trading |
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Velarra
254
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:53:00 -
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Not all NPC corps offer medical / jump clone services or stations with them.
Yes, there are alternatives a la Rorqual via a friend, or joining a player corp with sufficient standings with suitable npc corps, or EACS briefly. Otherwise it'd be advantageous for a new player to initially begin running with a corp that offers clone services vs look for solutions later. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2519
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:12:00 -
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Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Did you left the mission names out so we just trust you that your numbers are right?
No, i left them OUT because i'm not doing the WORK for you ;) You want them (with background numbers included), you pay me ;) (...).
Heh, I will just not buy your numbers, in any meaning.
My main has run enough missions to have a solid clue on which ones are worthy and which aren't.
BTW, you're mean to mislead people into believing that Dread Pirate Scarlett is the best mission in the game. Gone Berserk is the nearest to printing money that you'll be in hisec, with Ritualist Raids and Rogue Miners struggling for second. Angel Extravaganza is fine if you can run it in under 45 minutes (minus bonus room). The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
0
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:41:00 -
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From a "make money as a nub" perspective, this is truly terrible.
l4 mission can pay well, even high sec. However, more than HALF of that money is from salvage. If you are blitzing for LP, you are so wrong it's not even funny. Besides which, if you want to LP farm, missions are not even remotely close to the best method.
Also, it takes a well fit BS or T3 to run l4 mission (yes, you can do it in other ships, want to compare isk/hour? ). These are not ships/items that anyone calling themselves "new" has access to. It takes several months to fly a BS properly, and more to do it well, and more still to do it with anything close to "max" profit.
Sure, you can blitz many l4 missions in a well fit BC or something similar. Why would you? Do you imagine (wrongly) that this pays better than actually doing the missions and salvaging? It doesn't. It pays fine, but it's a lot less than you'd make if you ran 1 mission and salvaged instead of blitzing 2 or 3. Also, just curious but what happens when you get a non-blitzable mission? Do you have any concept of how long it takes a "nub" to complete Extravaganza mission solo, assuming they even can.
I'm a huge carebear, and I've run as many missions as anyone. This guide is the kind of thing I read 5 years ago and tried to follow. Only to find out that the author is leaving out very important bits (like where/who to do missions with, or that they are taking missions from 4 agents and declining any that aren't blitz-able). This can be a big difference in how this plays out, how much money and if the salvage is worth anything. Or that they simply don't have any idea what they are talking about.
I don't have a guide to offer solo players, because this a FARKING MMO. I guess, I would tell you to go play freelancer or Independence war II. Find friends, build or join a corp, work together and you'll make a LOT more money. (or get an alt and get good at multitasking -- alt can fly noctis with t1 fit and effective skills in less than 5 days)
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Silivar Karkun
Imperium Aeternam Phantom Armada
70
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:49:00 -
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why telling everyone to cross train caldari? that's bullshit, let them specialize in making their mission in their respective empires instead of obliguing them to go to caldari.
the tutorials go to waste if you say that in order to excell at missions you have to crosstrain to another race. better to do mission in your NPC empire.
the only difficulty is moving the rewards to jita in that case, but if you're amarr and have laser and armor tanking skills already, you can just specialize in your race and do missions there against blood raiders and sansha.
same if you're gallente or minmatar, it's just a matter of knowing the pros and cons of your faction, the type of rats yo fight there and the respective combat doctrine. |
Snezz Boscone
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:00:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Noddy Comet wrote:*Makes "Solo guide of how to make ISK"*
*Yells out in caps "DO NOT SALVAGE!!!"*
Stopped reading right there considering I made my first Billion on a "solo" character by salvaging/looting all my own wrecks and was able to build all my own ammo with the items I reprocessed and was in lvl 4 missions as soon as I had the skills trained to fly a battleship without having to buy a ton of faction-fit loot pinata stuffing. In the beginning lv 1, 2 and 3 salvage is not going to net much and the goal is to reach level 4 where salvage and loot can pay off as you kill rats. By turning over missions as fast as possible you can grind up to lv4 faster if you ignore all other distractions. The goal is to run max missions per hour. Not make max ISK per hour, because isk cannot buy standings.
sounds like a guide on how NOT to have fun as a new player in EvE |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.07.07 05:33:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:caracal (HM) / drake(HM) / scorpion(cruise) / raven(cruise) LOLWUT? OP trying to create new darwins in this game? Also what others have already said: Dominix is currently king of mission running in terms of cost/effectiveness. 800 eft dps from Garde II on 85-99km optimal is not a joke. I have a repper Domi that does all that DPS and can lock at 102km (warden IIs) and can run 3 reppers with the sacrifice of some tank. I realize that this is a thread for newbies, but training for a mission Domi will lead to even more Domitastic builds. A very good choice for your money making pathway. You can branch into other stuff once you have an established way to farm ISK.
I agree that you should not loot L1-L3 missions while training up your new toon. But L4s are worth it IMO. Maybe somebody already said this, but you can let your salvage drones mop up wrecks while you loot the BSs from the mission. It's efficient if you pay attention to a "looting route". And whoever said to leave the garbage for the buzzards was correct too - it's not so effcicient to loot ALL wrecks - cherry pick for best profits overall.
Have fun getting rich ! |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
174
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:58:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:caracal (HM) / drake(HM) / scorpion(cruise) / raven(cruise) LOLWUT? OP trying to create new darwins in this game? Also what others have already said: Dominix is currently king of mission running in terms of cost/effectiveness. 800 eft dps from Garde II on 85-99km optimal is not a joke. I have a repper Domi that does all that DPS and can lock at 102km (warden IIs) and can run 3 reppers with the sacrifice of some tank. I realize that this is a thread for newbies, but training for a mission Domi will lead to even more Domitastic builds. A very good choice for your money making pathway. You can branch into other stuff once you have an established way to farm ISK. I agree that you should not loot L1-L3 missions while training up your new toon. But L4s are worth it IMO. Maybe somebody already said this, but you can let your salvage drones mop up wrecks while you loot the BSs from the mission. It's efficient if you pay attention to a "looting route". And whoever said to leave the garbage for the buzzards was correct too - it's not so effcicient to loot ALL wrecks - cherry pick for best profits overall. Have fun getting rich ! '
Thanks for this great suggestion, while the majority of my training has been Caldari oriented I am also looking into branching out myself and expanding my ship portfolio. Thanks for this suggestion!
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cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
174
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Posted - 2013.07.11 00:23:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:caracal (HM) / drake(HM) / scorpion(cruise) / raven(cruise) LOLWUT? OP trying to create new darwins in this game? Also what others have already said: Dominix is currently king of mission running in terms of cost/effectiveness. 800 eft dps from Garde II on 85-99km optimal is not a joke. I have a repper Domi that does all that DPS and can lock at 102km (warden IIs) and can run 3 reppers with the sacrifice of some tank. I realize that this is a thread for newbies, but training for a mission Domi will lead to even more Domitastic builds. A very good choice for your money making pathway. You can branch into other stuff once you have an established way to farm ISK. I agree that you should not loot L1-L3 missions while training up your new toon. But L4s are worth it IMO. Maybe somebody already said this, but you can let your salvage drones mop up wrecks while you loot the BSs from the mission. It's efficient if you pay attention to a "looting route". And whoever said to leave the garbage for the buzzards was correct too - it's not so effcicient to loot ALL wrecks - cherry pick for best profits overall. Have fun getting rich !
My only objection to the domi is an aesthetic one.... it looks..... well, I have no idea what it looks like, wheres the front? Where's the back? If you turn it upside down which way is up? It's a shapeless ship.
Raven has that tumor on it's side which I don't like either but it looks more badass. Scorpion was a vast improvement. Domi needs a facelift also IMHO.
Domi looks like a bad product design for a CD player from Sony....
I'm a visual artist I care about shapes. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
404
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Posted - 2013.07.11 01:34:00 -
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Locke DieDrake wrote:From a "make money as a nub" perspective, this is truly terrible.
l4 mission can pay well, even high sec. However, more than HALF of that money is from salvage. If you are blitzing for LP, you are so wrong it's not even funny. Besides which, if you want to LP farm, missions are not even remotely close to the best method.
Will attest to that.
The big "Worlds Collide" L4 I did yesterday netted more out of salvage than ISK. Around 34 million in salvage, and around 24 million in ISK from bounties + mission rewards.
Salvaging is much more lucrative, and provides useful items especially if a crafter. One mission, and getting close to 100 of choice rig components...had enough to make 4 medium rigs (around 16 million to sell or save paying for) off of total waste. That's great if newer in the game and trying to outfit the many ships a player needs. With scrap metal processing, that would turn the other trash that's not worth to even sell into building mats, without even mining. So despite the estimated price of the salvage, it's real worth can be much higher.
So if a new player wants ISK to the tune of almost 58 million every 3 to 5 runs (which is much more than L4 missions pay in ISK with level 5 social skills even in low-sec), it's worth it. And yes L4 missions can be done without level 5 skills. Takes longer, but the payout is enough to score much more profits even if a player has to spend more for ammo at the beginning waiting to skill up weapons skills. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
30
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Posted - 2013.07.11 05:20:00 -
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The only thing I wish some1 told me within days of starting Eve was: Step 1: Train Tengu Step 2: C3 Wormholes. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1769
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:01:00 -
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Stuff to do http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
My ancient thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=774785
The revamped semiofficial version http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Making_ISK http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T Build your own EVE PC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734 |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
175
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:29:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq.. What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us. Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day. Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one. Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!!
You can actually find an implant worth around 50m isk, in either "Damsel in distress" or "The right hand of Zazzmatazz" on Zor's Wreck. found 3 so far. Although that was quite some time ago, so CCP might have changed that. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
175
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:55:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Icarus Able wrote:So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq.. What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us. Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day. Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one. Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!! You can actually find an implant worth around 50m isk, in either "Damsel in distress" or "The right hand of Zazzmatazz" on Zor's Wreck. found 3 so far. Although that was quite some time ago, so CCP might have changed that.
Scarlet recently dropped an 8 million implant from the Dread Pirate Scarlet mission, but you have to alpha her or she zips out. I didn't know it was possible to alpha her with missiles. Maybe it was a glitch. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
175
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:26:00 -
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great resources as always, but I wanted to hide all the other ways and focus on ONE trunk before branching out.
This trunk has generated steady income over longer periods of time for me personally better then any other activity I tried, and I have played everything from wormholes ops to null ratting, PI, mining, FW, hauling etc etc etc.
Idea here is to give a way for new players to generate their own ISK and gear from ONE activity before branching out into other professions. It's military oriented with a focus on missiles and shields.
LV4 + salvaging (not LV3 and salvaging) has generated the most profit, I have also added PI, research agents and market orders to the mix.
My monthly potential is around a billion a month via missions alone. My standings are above 8.0 for Caldari State and I have access to ALL level 4 and level 5 agents. This pays for plex, insurance and modules. The better my skills become the less ships I lose, the more ISK flows into my account and I control how I manage that flow. My skill training is now mostly 10 days or longer which means fewer skill books I need to acquire, so less overall ISK sink.
I tried lv5 missions as well and while they are great, they can be slowed down by locals and pirates. Dscan is also much more important on lv5 missions.
FW is also very interesting but unpredictable and requires more effort and attention plus limits your freedom even in highsec. |
Onquaber
Umbrella Neo Corp E C L I P S E
12
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:50:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:This guide assumes that
This plan is based on a two month skill plan. This means you will have to pay for two months of eve online out of pocket until you can start earning enough ISK to purchase a plex.
In the third month (if not earlier) you realize the pve of this game is so boring. |
cyndrogen
Occultum Scientia Black Flame.
175
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Posted - 2013.07.11 23:15:00 -
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Onquaber wrote:cyndrogen wrote:This guide assumes that
This plan is based on a two month skill plan. This means you will have to pay for two months of eve online out of pocket until you can start earning enough ISK to purchase a plex.
In the third month (if not earlier) you realize the pve of this game is so boring and it feels like a job and not a game anymore.
Eve is not a game. It's > |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
369
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Posted - 2013.08.03 02:54:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Urgg Boolean wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:caracal (HM) / drake(HM) / scorpion(cruise) / raven(cruise) LOLWUT? OP trying to create new darwins in this game? Also what others have already said: Dominix is currently king of mission running in terms of cost/effectiveness. 800 eft dps from Garde II on 85-99km optimal is not a joke. I have a repper Domi that does all that DPS and can lock at 102km (warden IIs) and can run 3 reppers with the sacrifice of some tank. I realize that this is a thread for newbies, but training for a mission Domi will lead to even more Domitastic builds. A very good choice for your money making pathway. You can branch into other stuff once you have an established way to farm ISK. I agree that you should not loot L1-L3 missions while training up your new toon. But L4s are worth it IMO. Maybe somebody already said this, but you can let your salvage drones mop up wrecks while you loot the BSs from the mission. It's efficient if you pay attention to a "looting route". And whoever said to leave the garbage for the buzzards was correct too - it's not so effcicient to loot ALL wrecks - cherry pick for best profits overall. Have fun getting rich ! My only objection to the domi is an aesthetic one.... it looks..... well, I have no idea what it looks like, wheres the front? Where's the back? If you turn it upside down which way is up? It's a shapeless ship. Raven has that tumor on it's side which I don't like either but it looks more badass. Scorpion was a vast improvement. Domi needs a facelift also IMHO. Domi looks like a bad product design for a CD player from Sony.... I'm a visual artist I care about shapes. Sort of resurrecting this thread: Most of us Domi pilots think of them as inflated blow dryers. They have Princess Leia hair buns placed like hub caps on the sides - very chic. And you can tell where the front is by the direction of travel, duh!
In reality I had a lot of trouble figuring out where the front was when I first got one.
Aesthetics aside, assassins don't buy an AK-47 for the looks. They buy it because it is effective. Same with the Domi. |
MacKael
Segmentum Solar Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:06:00 -
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Sex Slave Girl wrote:Play gallente with sentry drones. Saves you tons of ammo.
And isk. Most level 4 missions take me 15 mins or less t2 sentries oh huh yeah. |
MacKael
Segmentum Solar Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:09:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Urgg Boolean wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:caracal (HM) / drake(HM) / scorpion(cruise) / raven(cruise) LOLWUT? OP trying to create new darwins in this game? Also what others have already said: Dominix is currently king of mission running in terms of cost/effectiveness. 800 eft dps from Garde II on 85-99km optimal is not a joke. I have a repper Domi that does all that DPS and can lock at 102km (warden IIs) and can run 3 reppers with the sacrifice of some tank. I realize that this is a thread for newbies, but training for a mission Domi will lead to even more Domitastic builds. A very good choice for your money making pathway. You can branch into other stuff once you have an established way to farm ISK. I agree that you should not loot L1-L3 missions while training up your new toon. But L4s are worth it IMO. Maybe somebody already said this, but you can let your salvage drones mop up wrecks while you loot the BSs from the mission. It's efficient if you pay attention to a "looting route". And whoever said to leave the garbage for the buzzards was correct too - it's not so effcicient to loot ALL wrecks - cherry pick for best profits overall. Have fun getting rich ! My only objection to the domi is an aesthetic one.... it looks..... well, I have no idea what it looks like, wheres the front? Where's the back? If you turn it upside down which way is up? It's a shapeless ship. Raven has that tumor on it's side which I don't like either but it looks more badass. Scorpion was a vast improvement. Domi needs a facelift also IMHO. Domi looks like a bad product design for a CD player from Sony.... I'm a visual artist I care about shapes. Sort of resurrecting this thread: Most of us Domi pilots think of them as inflated blow dryers. They have Princess Leia hair buns placed like hub caps on the sides - very chic. And you can tell where the front is by the direction of travel, duh! In reality I had a lot of trouble figuring out where the front was when I first got one. Aesthetics aside, assassins don't buy an AK-47 for the looks. They buy it because it is effective. Same with the Domi.
Mjd + t2 sentries I use warden, then two sebo for range. Ad the rest drone damage,range mods rigs. Locking at 260 km hitting at 500+ every time from 180 km. weeeeee domi is hands down king of missions runners. Also forgot to mention the 900+ dps |
Chopper Rollins
Sky Prey
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Posted - 2013.08.03 22:48:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:...GRIND...GET GEAR
OOORRRR one shift flipping burgers > buy plex > sell plex > have billions
Then what? Op success? Uninstall EvE? Before i got cured of the isk hunger, i would rat lowsec and melt the loot. Then turrets in loot was nerfed. Then i made 800 million shooting npc haulers between missions in lowsec. Npc hauler loot got nerfed. Now i just feel poor without 2 bil in the wallet as well as assets.
Srsly, maxin ya wallet is a low aim to set yourself.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
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