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Rhodopsin Pserad
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.06 08:33:00 -
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I love how this forum has nothing to do with the actual market and is just people asking for money promising fair returns were there some sort of contractual method in game to ensure functional financial services. |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.07.06 08:56:00 -
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Collateral is a valid method, albeit not contractual. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Rhodopsin Pserad
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:06:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Collateral is a valid method, albeit not contractual.
What did we learn from the last trillion stolen? "Does the Eagle know what is in the pit, Or wilt thou go ask the Mole? Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod, Or Love in a golden bowl?" |
arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:59:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:Zappity wrote:Collateral is a valid method, albeit not contractual. What did we learn from the last trillion stolen?
to have collateral?
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Rhodopsin Pserad
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.06 10:56:00 -
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How on earth do you guarentee someone gives back collateral? Or is there a method to ensure this which has somehow eluded me? Eh, just sounds like something I wouldn't mess with - but I'm sure there are some who have had legitimate loans in the past. Collateral just sounds like a double-or-nothing bet. "Does the Eagle know what is in the pit, Or wilt thou go ask the Mole? Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod, Or Love in a golden bowl?" |
Rhodopsin Pserad
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.06 11:15:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:Zappity wrote:Collateral is a valid method, albeit not contractual. What did we learn from the last trillion stolen? to have collateral?
Eh, I guess to be fair the first few posts I ended up looking at were 11% interest kind offers without collateral. The 2% paid back in five months with the folks with ungodly amounts of ISK seems more along the lines of legitimate things. "Does the Eagle know what is in the pit, Or wilt thou go ask the Mole? Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod, Or Love in a golden bowl?" |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.06 11:40:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:Eh, I guess to be fair the first few posts I ended up looking at were 11% interest kind offers without collateral. The 2% paid back in five months with the folks with ungodly amounts of ISK seems more along the lines of legitimate things.
Exactly. This post explains it very well:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=599327#post599327 Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:07:00 -
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There are splurts where there are lots of loan requests (Usually just after an expansion), but there are also periods with market questions, although many people just hop into one of the ingame channels |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:29:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:There are splurts where there are lots of loan requests (Usually just after an expansion), but there are also periods with market questions, although many people just hop into one of the ingame channels
What are the best in game channels? Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
304
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:56:00 -
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Well, I would (totally non biased ofc!) recommend the SCC-Lounge channel, and GMBA or Syndicate Rookie Trader (The last two are for people who might feel more comfortable not asking in the Lounge) |
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Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:05:00 -
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Thanks, good stuff. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3597
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Posted - 2013.07.08 02:28:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:How on earth do you guarentee someone gives back collateral? Or is there a method to ensure this which has somehow eluded me? Eh, just sounds like something I wouldn't mess with - but I'm sure there are some who have had legitimate loans in the past. Collateral just sounds like a double-or-nothing bet.
Trust in Chribba/Grendell/etc is the general way to ensure the collateral is appropriately administered. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:18:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:How on earth do you guarentee someone gives back collateral? Or is there a method to ensure this which has somehow eluded me? Eh, just sounds like something I wouldn't mess with - but I'm sure there are some who have had legitimate loans in the past. Collateral just sounds like a double-or-nothing bet. Trust in Chribba/Grendell/etc is the general way to ensure the collateral is appropriately administered.
Basicly, thats no answer, as OP says - what did we learn from the last trillion stolen? So "trust", is where everything comes to an end eventually :) |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3597
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:19:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:How on earth do you guarentee someone gives back collateral? Or is there a method to ensure this which has somehow eluded me? Eh, just sounds like something I wouldn't mess with - but I'm sure there are some who have had legitimate loans in the past. Collateral just sounds like a double-or-nothing bet. Trust in Chribba/Grendell/etc is the general way to ensure the collateral is appropriately administered. Basicly, thats no answer, as OP says - what did we learn from the last trillion stolen? So "trust", is where everything comes to an end eventually :)
Chribba and Grendell make more from their reputation than they could by stealing what they have access to at any given time. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:04:00 -
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Lol, that thinking exactly was present during eddie lamper and xabier, so what? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3597
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:00:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Lol, that thinking exactly was present during eddie lamper and xabier, so what?
Who?
Nobody (that I know of) said "they make more off their reputation than they could steal at any given time" of either Phaser or EBANK. Their (stated) business model, in fact, ensured the opposite.
Anyway, Chribba's been going strong for almost 10 years. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
35
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:arabella blood wrote:Lol, that thinking exactly was present during eddie lamper and xabier, so what? Who? Nobody (that I know of) said "they make more off their reputation than they could steal at any given time" of either Phaser or EBANK. Their (stated) business model, in fact, ensured the opposite. Anyway, Chribba's been going strong for almost 10 years.
So its now depnds if you know prople like that or not? People say that for example on SomerBlink, and look, theft has been there too
Have ever heard of the term "conception"?? I sound crazy now, but time will tell :) |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:57:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:What did we learn from the last trillion stolen? That anyone can claim to have stolen a trillion isk, actually doing it is another matter.
RubyPorto wrote:Anyway, Chribba's been going strong for almost 10 years. The best time to scam is AFTER you have all the isk and BEFORE you have put in a whole lot of work to earn it.
For Chribba that time has long passed. Now, if he was to scam, he would be selling his hard earned and unequalled reputation for a pittance. I don't know Chribba very well, but I do know he's not stupid. |
arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:34:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:What did we learn from the last trillion stolen? That anyone can claim to have stolen a trillion isk, actually doing it is another matter. RubyPorto wrote:Anyway, Chribba's been going strong for almost 10 years. The best time to scam is AFTER you have all the isk and BEFORE you have put in a whole lot of work to earn it. For Chribba that time has long passed. Now, if he was to scam, he would be selling his hard earned and unequalled reputation for a pittance. I don't know Chribba very well, but I do know he's not stupid.
Its like people dont learn from history. This post doesnt have enough available chars to count all the times people betrayed life long trust. You sir, sound rediculous with that optimistic statement. And forgive me on harsh words - are also a fool in eve as in real life. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1268
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:01:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:What did we learn from the last trillion stolen? That anyone can claim to have stolen a trillion isk, actually doing it is another matter. RubyPorto wrote:Anyway, Chribba's been going strong for almost 10 years. The best time to scam is AFTER you have all the isk and BEFORE you have put in a whole lot of work to earn it. For Chribba that time has long passed. Now, if he was to scam, he would be selling his hard earned and unequalled reputation for a pittance. I don't know Chribba very well, but I do know he's not stupid. Its like people dont learn from history. This post doesnt have enough available chars to count all the times people betrayed life long trust. You sir, sound rediculous with that optimistic statement. And forgive me on harsh words - are also a fool in eve as in real life. so if there exist more than 0 people who betrayed lifelong trust, this automatically disqualifies all people from being trustworthy? you know there have been people dying in car crashes, so you should never travel anywhere. ever.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
35
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:15:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:arabella blood wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:What did we learn from the last trillion stolen? That anyone can claim to have stolen a trillion isk, actually doing it is another matter. RubyPorto wrote:Anyway, Chribba's been going strong for almost 10 years. The best time to scam is AFTER you have all the isk and BEFORE you have put in a whole lot of work to earn it. For Chribba that time has long passed. Now, if he was to scam, he would be selling his hard earned and unequalled reputation for a pittance. I don't know Chribba very well, but I do know he's not stupid. Its like people dont learn from history. This post doesnt have enough available chars to count all the times people betrayed life long trust. You sir, sound rediculous with that optimistic statement. And forgive me on harsh words - are also a fool in eve as in real life. so if there exist more than 0 people who betrayed lifelong trust, this automatically disqualifies all people from being trustworthy? you know there have been people dying in car crashes, so you should never travel anywhere. ever.
No dummy, it just says you need to be carefull, and not believing its 100% safe. Saying chribba is safe because this and that is not smart and not true at least. Especially with the nature of the game and the historicly proven fact that people get tempted really easy and forget even tremendous huge profits in the future. Thats people, you got that doc? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1268
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:03:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:No dummy, it just says you need to be carefull, and not believing its 100% safe. Saying chribba is safe because this and that is not smart and not true at least. Especially with the nature of the game and the historicly proven fact that people get tempted really easy and forget even tremendous huge profits in the future. Thats people, you got that doc? unless you are omniscient, any claim to know anything with 100% certainty is technically false. and yet somehow people still manage to know things.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
203
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:11:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:arabella blood wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Anyway, Chribba's been going strong for almost 10 years. The best time to scam is AFTER you have all the isk and BEFORE you have put in a whole lot of work to earn it. For Chribba that time has long passed. Now, if he was to scam, he would be selling his hard earned and unequalled reputation for a pittance. I don't know Chribba very well, but I do know he's not stupid. Its like people dont learn from history. This post doesnt have enough available chars to count all the times people betrayed life long trust. You sir, sound rediculous with that optimistic statement. And forgive me on harsh words - are also a fool in eve as in real life. so if there exist more than 0 people who betrayed lifelong trust, this automatically disqualifies all people from being trustworthy? you know there have been people dying in car crashes, so you should never travel anywhere. ever. No dummy, it just says you need to be carefull, and not believing its 100% safe. Saying chribba is safe because this and that is not smart and not true at least. Especially with the nature of the game and the historicly proven fact that people get tempted really easy and forget even tremendous huge profits in the future. Thats people, you got that doc? For the benefit of humanity, you need to spend more time reading and less time posting. |
I LIKE IT
HIGH RISK INVESTMENT
69
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:16:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:I love this forum I LIKE IT TOO
YOU GIRLS ALL NEED TO STOP WORRYING AND LOVE THE BOMB |
arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
35
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:21:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:arabella blood wrote:No dummy, it just says you need to be carefull, and not believing its 100% safe. Saying chribba is safe because this and that is not smart and not true at least. Especially with the nature of the game and the historicly proven fact that people get tempted really easy and forget even tremendous huge profits in the future. Thats people, you got that doc? unless you are omniscient, any claim to know anything with 100% certainty is technically false. and yet somehow people still manage to know things.
Isn't omniscient is knowing everythng, not knowing everytin 1000% certainty? Philosophical question already.
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1268
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:32:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Philosophical question already.
so is the question on whether to trust chribba. it has been pointed out to you that the likelyhood of him screwing anybody over is very small (just as the likelyhood of being hit by a car).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
arabella blood
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
35
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:58:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:arabella blood wrote:Philosophical question already.
so is the question on whether to trust chribba. it has been pointed out to you that the likelyhood of him screwing anybody over is very small (just as the likelyhood of being hit by a car).
On the opposite. Its vary high. And i already explained you why. Besides, a pedestrian is hit by a car every 10 minutes? It could be you soon! |
Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
271
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:20:00 -
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I LIKE IT wrote:Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:I love this forum I LIKE IT TOO YOU GIRLS ALL NEED TO STOP WORRYING AND LOVE THE BOMB Think I'll take your advice, doc. Any colour you like. |
Speculation Dave
Tiericide Kings
10
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:21:00 -
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I disagree totally and you people are all wrong.
It's clearly an irregular rhombus. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1268
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:21:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:On the opposite. Its vary high. And i already explained you why. you did nothing of the sort. on the contrary, you brought a weaksauce argument along the lines of "well, there has been some guys who turned out fake so you should never trust anyone ever!"
arabella blood wrote:Besides, a pedestrian is hit by a car every 10 minutes? It could be you soon! yes, and you could get hit by lightning three times in a row on a sunny day. what is your point?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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