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Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.07.06 08:34:00 -
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Two ideas for WH connections mechanics. Hopefully, every1 has seen that TCU's in wh space create warpable points. I propose that WH to WH connections do the same. When a static such as X877 collapses; the new one will spawn and simultenously spawn a K162 on the other side w/o requiring some1 to land on grid first/initiate warp. K-space to WH connactions must still be scanned down & use current mechanics.
Now, for the first proposal: All WH to WH connections that are less than 15 minutes old do not show up on the overview like a TCU & will not appear on the discovery scanner. The sig will still appear on the visual overlay. After 15 minutes, they now will appear on the both the discovery scanner and as a warp-able point. Static rolling must either be scanned down via probes or wait 15 minutes.
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Second Proposal No warpable TCU like celestial & WH to WH signatures do not show up on the discovery list at all. Probes must be used to discover new wormholes, both static and roaming.
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Addendum concerning highsec wormholes such as B274. Players with the 5 minute cooldown{forgot the name} can be agressed by other players whom also have the same cooldown from the exact same womrhole. Even in highsec. |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.07.06 08:40:00 -
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Yes, carebears every where are having panic attacks. |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:11:00 -
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Black Hole New Effects: Shield & Armor Repair: +25% +44% +55% +68% +85% +100%
I would love to be able to get speed tanking marauders ENGAGED!!! |
AtomYcX
Cold Moon Destruction.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:13:00 -
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Are you high? |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:25:00 -
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Evangelina Nolen wrote: When a static such as X877 collapses; the new one will spawn and simultenously spawn a K162 on the other side w/o requiring some1 to land on grid first/initiate warp. This was discussed recently
Evangelina Nolen wrote: they now will appear on the both the discovery scanner and as a warp-able point. Do not want.
If a wormhole is there, it's there. Why would it suddenly become warpable after X minutes. Remove them from the discovery scanner completely, keep the requirement that they have to be probed down.
It makes it too easy to just race down a chain thats older than 15 minutes with this mechanic. Collapse static, new static has wormholes warpable already, some guys in space notice you and want to escape through a wormhole, but you already have your fleet there because you didn't have to scan.
Evangelina Nolen wrote:WH to WH signatures do not show up on the discovery list at all. Probes must be used to discover new wormholes, both static and roaming. Much better.
But why restrict it to WH->WH sigs. All WH sigs whether they lead to another wormhole or a k-space should be removed.
Evangelina Nolen wrote:Players with the 5 minute cooldown{forgot the name} can be agressed by other players whom also have the same cooldown from the exact same womrhole. Even in highsec. Again, no thanks.
It's -1 space, there are no police, why would your actions in such space matter in empire space? |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:40:00 -
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Evangelina Nolen wrote:Black Hole New Effects: Shield & Armor Repair: +25% +44% +55% +68% +85% +100%
I would love to be able to get speed tanking marauders ENGAGED!!!
I think we can do better than that. It looks like its just a cataclysmic variable in disguise.
Keep in mind that Black Holes have a flavour related to their effect. You have a higher velocity and it's harder to turn because you're being assisted by some extra gravity. Your weapon systems are less accurate for the same reason.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that there is a type of effect that makes a system undesirable, but most other systems have benefits that act as a trade off to their negative aspects, and for a black hole it does feel like everything is negative.
If I was going to make a change, I'd probably keep the flavour, but make it a little less severe. Keep the values the same at C1 level, but reduce them to 50-75% of their current effect at C6 level.
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Winthorp
Straya. Scrap Iron Flotilla.
139
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Posted - 2013.07.06 11:07:00 -
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OP you drunk, go home.
P.S have i been out of WH's for too long, whats with all these ******** threads. You need to gank these fools more. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2104
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Posted - 2013.07.06 11:23:00 -
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Wow...you post a LOT of garbage on these forums Evangelina but you've really out done yourself this time. WHs you don't need to scan down? yeah, eve has those. theyre called stargates and they have no place in whs.
Nix covered your crap pretty well. |
Ellariona
Bite Me inc Bitten.
139
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:01:00 -
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Black holes are fine the way they are. I haven't tried any, but some doctrines look really cool on paper. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1496
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:15:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Wow...you post a LOT of garbage on these forums Evangelina but you've really out done yourself this time. WHs you don't need to scan down? yeah, eve has those. theyre called stargates and they have no place in whs.
Nix covered your crap pretty well.
Shh, you are gonna scare her back to her NPC alt. |
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
280
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:22:00 -
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PS due to the way wormhole gameplay has developed a wh spawning its k162 side instantly isn't actually the PVP driver people who've not spent much time in w-space think it is.
It gives whoever is in the destination system at the minimum around an extra 30 seconds heads up, potentially several minutes extra to deal with a new sig to them before anyone can get tackle on them and if your wanting to bear with those mechanics in mind then instead of collapsing your static you'd critical it down to less than a single battleships mass and be fairly safe (atleast as far as someone jumping you from your static goes). |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
85
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:28:00 -
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Rroff wrote:It gives whoever is in the destination system at the minimum around an extra 30 seconds heads up, potentially several minutes extra to deal with a new sig to them before anyone can get tackle on them and if your wanting to bear with those mechanics in mind then instead of collapsing your static you'd critical it down to less than a single battleships mass and be fairly safe (atleast as far as someone jumping you from your static goes).
It's actually more to do with people trying to be safe by collapsing their static then not warping to the new one, so they can run sites. Instantly spawning the K162 helps to prevent such blatant carebearing. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:57:00 -
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Yep...more and more suggestions to make w-space like k-space.......which is exactly why most of us are here.....it's not k-space.
Look, what your suggesting only serves one purpose....to deny people bearing it up their bear. That's why you are there....not mechanics. Last I checked, if you're looking for pew, you might just find pew. If you're opening your statics, then the k162 is created. Why are you suggesting that this should be an automatic mechanic? To scare the bears? Many of them don't even pay attention to dscan or discovery scanner......me thinks someone is just too lazy to drop probes. HTFU!...for the children! |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
326
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Posted - 2013.07.06 13:03:00 -
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If I take the effort and risk to roll, it should be rewarded. Not penalized. The basic concept is not thatit shouldnt be safe, is that you learn how to make it safe and work for it. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Polarized.
296
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:08:00 -
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No.
^ Constructive Feedback. This is also not a "threadnaught". < Also constructive.
More constructive feedback. > Stop posting in Wormholes. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
280
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:36:00 -
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Nix Anteris wrote: It's actually more to do with people trying to be safe by collapsing their static then not warping to the new one, so they can run sites. Instantly spawning the K162 helps to prevent such blatant carebearing.
If CCP made that change tho people wouldn't collapse their static to bear but instead mass it down to critical so that only a very small number of ships can jump in at best - they are almost as safe as it is now when its collapsed.
If the k162 side spawns as soon as the other side it has the knock on effect of actually slightly nerfing PVP rather than increasing - if your rolling your static trying to catch someone in the middle of running a site they will see the new sig soon after your previous static was collapsed and before your scout has even cycled probes to start warping to the new static - giving them crucial extra time to evacuate their ships from site - currently by the time they've seen the k162 appear on their side your scout/fleet will be landing on your side of the static ready to jump in. |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
213
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:37:00 -
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Ellariona wrote:Black holes are fine the way they are. I haven't tried any, but some doctrines look really cool on paper.
No they're not. They nerf EVERY weapon systems range. Nobody has time for that. That's why every black hole system C3 and up is empty or inhabited by new guys who just wanted to get into SOMETHING.
Svo. CEO of Heaven's End; Seller of Wormholes. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2107
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Posted - 2013.07.07 02:26:00 -
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Ellariona wrote:Black holes are fine the way they are. I haven't tried any, but some doctrines look really cool on paper. take this from someone who lived in a C6 black hle for a year: NOTHING about black holes is 'fine'. on paper or otherwise. |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
86
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:18:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:take this from someone who lived in a C6 black hle for a year: NOTHING about black holes is 'fine'. on paper or otherwise. I was there.
What I think _is_ fine, is that there are certain systems that are undesirable to operate in. Why should every system give you some sort of bonus? It seems perfectly logical to me that there should be _some_ systems that are absolutely horrible in every way.
If they're the last systems unoccupied and someone is desperate to live in a wormhole, they deal with the bottom of the barrel, or they FIGHT their way up. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2111
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:33:00 -
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Guess that's fair enough. would be nice if SOME fits worked well in black holes. |
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:58:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote: take this from someone who lived in a C6 black hle for a year: NOTHING about black holes is 'fine'. on paper or otherwise.
Isn't that the place where you have to abandon+scoop your warrior IIs to get them back into the drone bay? Couldn't recall them neither standing still nor moving at 4km/s :| I only correct my own spelling. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:02:00 -
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It's only a "threadnaught" if anyone cares. http://www.wormholes.info |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2111
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:22:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Jack Miton wrote: take this from someone who lived in a C6 black hle for a year: NOTHING about black holes is 'fine'. on paper or otherwise
Isn't that the place where you have to abandon+scoop your warrior IIs to get them back into the drone bay? Couldn't recall them neither standing still nor moving at 4km/s :| yeah that or double web them. |
Indo Nira
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
82
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Posted - 2013.07.07 16:14:00 -
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why do people suggest 'wormhole' stuff on the wormhole subforums? is ur reading skill at 0!?
here's a link to the 'FEATURES & IDEAS DISCUSSION' subforum. go there. move this thread there. BOOM
P.S. here's a link for that forum if it's too hard to find:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
25
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Posted - 2013.07.07 16:26:00 -
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I know about that sub forum. Just wanted specific opinions from WH residents.
I've sobered up now; 4 day weekend |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
25
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Posted - 2013.07.07 16:50:00 -
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Nix Anteris wrote: Do not want.
If a wormhole is there, it's there. Why would it suddenly become warpable after X minutes. Remove them from the discovery scanner completely, keep the requirement that they have to be probed down.
It makes it too easy to just race down a chain thats older than 15 minutes with this mechanic. Collapse static, new static has wormholes warpable already, some guys in space notice you and want to escape through a wormhole, but you already have your fleet there because you didn't have to scan.
Yeah, I had roaming around as the main basis for this idea. Not having to scan down every WH would significantly increase the number of systems I visit.
Nix Anteris wrote: Again, no thanks.
It's -1 space, there are no police, why would your actions in such space matter in empire space?
Yeah, however, highsec wormholes shouldn't be used for station game like non sense. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1504
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:22:00 -
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Evangelina Nolen wrote: Yeah, I had roaming around as the main basis for this idea. Not having to scan down every WH would significantly increase the number of systems I visit.
Scan faster. It's so stupid easy to scan, especially now.
And roaming to what end? You have already stated you don't like WH pvp due to the podding aspect and then annoyance of getting back in. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
407
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:21:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Ellariona wrote:Black holes are fine the way they are. I haven't tried any, but some doctrines look really cool on paper. take this from someone who lived in a C6 black hle for a year: NOTHING about black holes is 'fine'. on paper or otherwise.
Black holes are AWESOME to nano in. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2112
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:41:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Ellariona wrote:Black holes are fine the way they are. I haven't tried any, but some doctrines look really cool on paper. take this from someone who lived in a C6 black hle for a year: NOTHING about black holes is 'fine'. on paper or otherwise. Black holes are AWESOME to nano in.
yeah, right. only if you want to nano in one direction without turning and dont mind being out of range all the time. |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
25
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:55:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote: Scan faster. It's so stupid easy to scan, especially now.
And roaming to what end? You have already stated you don't like WH pvp due to the podding aspect and then annoyance of getting back in.
I scan pretty damn fast. I have memorized the variance on the overlays and the corresponding sig strength. |
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