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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:00:00 -
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Last night Caldari Admiral Kahn "KAHHHNNNN!!!!" Farshatok took the fight to a whole new level. In one fell swoop he nullified the only two remaining advantages the Gallente had with what our Intelligence Sources are calling the "Tristan-Cat Doctrine".
The Tristan-Cat is a simple fitted ship with two objectives: 1) Remove the effect of lousy Caldari pilots from the battle and concentrate as much of the piloting, targeting, and basically everything to the FC, and 2) Deny FDU pilots any worthwhile loot.
Bottom Line: Kahn plans to starve us to death, just like he tried to starve Kirk to death by transporting him to the center of a planet. This is an all-out war of attrition - to the bitter end.
Here is the fit: [Tristan-Cat] Small Shield Transporter I 200mm Autocannon Ix2 1MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Shield Extender I Warp Scrambler I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector Ix2 Small Capacitor Control Circuit Ix3 8x Tech 1 Drones
The fleet doctrine is brilliant. Set up inside a FW Plex, turn on the MWD, hit "keep at range 500" to the FC, launch drones and assign them tot he FC, put the small shield transporter on the FC (since he is the only one actively piloting and targeting anything). The only thing the fleet members need to do is engage anybody who attacks the FC with their autocannons and scram. "F1" and "F2" isn't very hard - even for a Squid.
What makes this fit a "game changer" however, is the fact that there is no loot that the Federation Militia pilots can use to replenish their ship losses. There is nothing of value here with the sole exception of the Micro Auxiliary Power Core I (we use these in our Derp Atrons), and the Capacitor Control Circuits. In fact, the CCC's cost 3x the rest of the ship. This might sound "moronic" at first, but in reality it's brilliant because rigs don't drop and so an enemy fleet can't use them to resupply their forces. That, coupled with the fact that Gallente are at Tier 1 and cannot make isk in FW, will likely prove to be the last nail in the coffin for the Gallente Militia.
Difficult times are ahead. |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
33
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:22:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: What makes this fit a "game changer" however, is the fact that there is no loot that the Federation Militia pilots can use to replenish their ship losses. There is nothing of value here with the sole exception of the Capacitor Control Circuits.
Rigs don't drop.
Edit: Yes, I saw you stated that already. |
Chessur
Life of lively full life thx to shield battery
95
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:37:00 -
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Get a smart bomb. GG |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
199
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:26:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Get a smart bomb. GG
So in FW there are these things called Novice plexes... |
Chessur
Life of lively full life thx to shield battery
98
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:08:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Chessur wrote:Get a smart bomb. GG So in FW there are these things called Novice plexes...
Yah and there is a thing called a small smart bomb |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
199
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:30:00 -
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I dunno. Seems like with only small smartbombs you'd not destroy drones quickly enough, but I don't have much experience trying.
There's also the issue of those autocannons even if the smartbombs are an effective counter to the drone dps. |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:55:00 -
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Who could possibly find enjoyment in being in such a fleet? Faction Warfare, e-uni style. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:58:00 -
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Could a dedicated alpha frigate squad break the reps on the FC? Because that fleet will be screwed without the FC. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
116
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:15:00 -
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Get out of their drone range and snipe them into oblivion? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1466
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:46:00 -
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These are all excellent suggestions, but I'm afraid both have their drawbacks. The smartbombs are a killer to our faction standings, and their tristans are FAST and will close in on our snipers, and *poof*. No, I fear that these are the end times for the Gallente. |
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
145
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:14:00 -
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..clears throat... |
Grandma Squirel
Squirel Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:42:00 -
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Jam/Damp enemy FC...
Also, do drone assigns work in Faction Warfare? I found them to be useless when pirating in lowsec, as the drones wont attack... |
Fret Thiesant
Oregon Trail rising
28
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Posted - 2013.07.07 05:15:00 -
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Grandma Squirel wrote:Jam/Damp enemy FC...
Also, do drone assigns work in Faction Warfare? I found them to be useless when pirating in lowsec, as the drones wont attack...
I've had issues with assigning drones in low sec space. The buggers just kind of sit there sometimes.
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Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
171
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:00:00 -
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Troll with serous answers best troll. |
Super Chair
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
537
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:24:00 -
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
532
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:06:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Who could possibly find enjoyment in being in such a fleet? Faction Warfare, e-uni style.
in fact khan who makes these fleets is official clown of Caldari miltiia so he has huge number of followers having fun and exploding ! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1468
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:23:00 -
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Grandma Squirel wrote:Jam/Damp enemy FC... Also, do drone assigns work in Faction Warfare? I found them to be useless when pirating in lowsec, as the drones wont attack... Drones are jam/damp resistant because you can: 1. Assist somebody who is not jammed/damped, and 2. Put them on "aggressive" so that if you are jam/damped they will still apply dps.
Our fitting experts are still at work trying to counter this setup. Will report back soon and get your opinions.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
534
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:16:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Grandma Squirel wrote:Jam/Damp enemy FC... Also, do drone assigns work in Faction Warfare? I found them to be useless when pirating in lowsec, as the drones wont attack... Drones are jam/damp resistant because you can: 1. Assist somebody who is not jammed/damped, and 2. Put them on "aggressive" so that if you are jam/damped they will still apply dps. Our fitting experts are still at work trying to counter this setup. Will report back soon and get your opinions.
ecm burst !
nothing can go wrong ! |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
283
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:20:00 -
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Dear Jim, my enemies are flying a fleet comp with precisely 0% natural EM resist. Can you fix it for me to please bring some lasers? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1469
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:21:00 -
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ECM bursts are just like smartbombs and therefore aren't a good option. We will look at lasers and get back to you.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
118
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Posted - 2013.07.07 17:01:00 -
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Didn't Kirk get off the planet? |
Colt Blackhawk
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
174
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:06:00 -
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Seems Khan is feeding the gals with kills again^^ |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
627
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:43:00 -
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Shouldnt tristan fleets be called Fat Cats? |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
163
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:59:00 -
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I like Fat Squids. Or Fat Tentacles. Def keep the 'fat' in there. -Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1469
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:11:00 -
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Fat-Cat doctrine name updated. Also, to the guy who suggested Lasers: Fat-Cats are faster than Amarr hulls and can therefore avoid any damage.
Our fitting specialists are still working on a counter to the Fat-Cat. |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
283
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:11:00 -
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A proper tristan fleet is vicious. The fit in the OP however is bloody dreadful and any mong who flies one should be ashamed of themselves. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
1
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:25:00 -
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The bad thing about this is that the Tristan is a frog ship. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1469
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:18:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:The bad thing about this is that the Tristan is a frog ship. Agreed, from a rp perspective, Caldari FW players should not be allowed to fly Gallente hulls.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
450
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Posted - 2013.07.08 03:28:00 -
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If you were not Gallente I would tell you about the Light Missile Hookbill that can out run shitbox drones that spew forth from poo chariots like Tristans.
If you had a equal numbers - My guess you'd lose one ship while the rest pull away to draw the drones while FC is popped by LM alpha.
Drone ships are a free killmail once you are good at LM Hookbill.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
163
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:16:00 -
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This one knows not of the attrition doctrines that are being run by both sides. SHUSH YOU -Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper |
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